Prediction on the Circus trip?

[No Fun Shogun]

Ended up going 3-1-2.

 

[JaegerDice]

Based on quality of play, the Hawks deserved 4 points (SJ, VAN). They were thoroughly outplayed every other game but managed 8 points. Call it a win.

 

[BK]

Based on quality of play, the Hawks deserved 4 points (SJ, VAN). They were thoroughly outplayed every other game but managed 8 points. Call it a win.

Good thing "deserving" something means nothing in sports. The Hawks win games like this all the time. They might be the most opportunistic team in sports (minus break aways).

 

[JaegerDice]

Good thing "deserving" something means nothing in sports. The Hawks win games like this all the time. They might be the most opportunistic team in sports (minus break aways).

On an individual game basis, sure, 'deserve' doesn't mean much.

Being out-possessed, out-shot, and out-played over long stretches of games, means some trouble.

You can absolutely 'deserve' to be eliminated in the playoffs.

 

[BrianE]

On an individual game basis, sure, 'deserve' doesn't mean much.

Being out-possessed, out-shot, and out-played over long stretches of games, means some trouble.

You can absolutely 'deserve' to be eliminated in the playoffs.

Almost 60 games away JD, anything can happen till then, besides did'nt the Hawks play like this from after new years until PO last season? very similar i think.

The fence can be mended yet again.

 

[pvr]

Ended up going 3-1-2.

So, they ended up playing .500 hockey. Actually, that's an improvement over their road record entering into the trip.

They'll have to play at least that well, likely better, on the road from here on out to ensure that they'll make the playoffs out of the central, unless they continue at a fantastic pace at home.

 

[BK]

On an individual game basis, sure, 'deserve' doesn't mean much.

Being out-possessed, out-shot, and out-played over long stretches of games, means some trouble.

You can absolutely 'deserve' to be eliminated in the playoffs.

Deserving means nothing. We deserved to be eliminated by the Wings on our way to the second cup but we weren't..

If you score more than the other team in a game then you deserve to win.

I do agree that being out played, possed, and shot (to a lesser extent) are not good signs but in the end if the Hawks take advantage of their opportunities more so than the other team then they deserve to win.

Deserve and Deserving are some of the worst words in sports.

 

[BrianE]

deserving means nothing. We deserved to be eliminated by the wings on our way to the second cup but we weren't..

[b]if you score more than the other team in a game then you deserve to win.[/b]

i do agree that being out played, possed, and shot (to a lesser extent) are not good signs but in the end if the hawks take advantage of their opportunities more so than the other team then they deserve to win.

deserve and deserving are some of the worst words in sports.

100%

 

[x Tame Impala]

Disagree. On an individual night "deserving to win" is irrelevant. However over the course of a season and leading into the playoffs if the Hawks don't get back to their dominating possession then I think it's going to manifest in a playoff disappointment

 

[JaegerDice]

Deserving means nothing. We deserved to be eliminated by the Wings on our way to the second cup but we weren't..

If you score more than the other team in a game then you deserve to win.

I do agree that being out played, possed, and shot (to a lesser extent) are not good signs but in the end if the Hawks take advantage of their opportunities more so than the other team then they deserve to win.

Deserve and Deserving are some of the worst words in sports.

Not really.

We out-possessed and out-played the Wings all but two games of that series. Howard was unsustainably great through the first 3-4 games (didn't matter much in the first game just cause the ice was so tilted). We deserved to win that series, arguably quicker than we did.

On a game by game basis, I agree. You take better advantage of your opportunities, you earned the win. Good teams manage to win some of the odd games they're getting outplayed.

Getting outplayed through stretches of games is worrisome, and starts to speak to what a team 'deserves' as far as longer term projections.

Personally, during the regular season, I focus much more on the process than the results. I'm less concerned about a team playing great and failing to pick up as many points as you would hope than a team that's riding high on some lucky wins despite getting the **** kicked out of them in possession 60+% of the time.

 

[LordKOTL]

So, they ended up playing .500 hockey. Actually, that's an improvement over their road record entering into the trip.

They'll have to play at least that well, likely better, on the road from here on out to ensure that they'll make the playoffs out of the central, unless they continue at a fantastic pace at home.

.500 in the absolute, yes. And that could be a problem going forward.

Points-wise, the 'hawks were .667 (8 points out of 12). Standings-wise it looks a little better than the absolute.

Call me glass half-full, but overall given how they looked on the ice in a few of the games, it could have been worse.

 

[BobbyJet]

Speaking of glass half full. It seems to me that Hawks are playing much better lately.
Of course, there is always room for improvement, especially in getting the offense going from more than one line, and the specialty teams could be more consistent, but I'd bet that every team in the NHL could claim something similar. Hawks are headed in the right direction.

 

[Hawkaholic]

I wanted 9 or 10 pts, they got 8, so can't say I am too disappointed. Should have won the Vancouver game, and the LA game. Successful trip I think.

 

[hawksfan50]

Ah...the half-full vs. half empty argument...

On the half full...these 6 games were of course road games and we still went 3-1-2 for 8 of 12 possible points..If you played .666 for all 82 games you get a 109 Pont season..Ant team would tale that...and of course we play better at home..So you could be encouraged about piling up a lot of points soon as we play 7 9f next 10 at home.


So when the Hawks brass say fairly pleased at the road trip results and 2hen Q says decent for our road trip you might think this glass is at least half-full...but the eyeball test belies this as do some of the individual "contribution s" on the trip....

SO the glass half empty arguments come.....Hawks stunk in the Edmonton ton and Calgary games but still got 3/4 points they really did not deserve..They played better than Vancouver a d a strong game except for the last 5 minutes and except for CC in net who stunk that game..They probably deserved a win on effort for 55 minutes of that game but instead lost 6-3 to Canucks...So far on "deserving g" they should have just 2 of 6 points in the first half of the trip but instead came away with 3 of 6 points...On the 2nd leg of the trip after the Vegas pit stop they got 5 of 6 points...On the eyeball test though they 0layers their best game of the trip in SJ and deserved the 2 points..they came back very late vs.ANH and did not deserve e the 2 points by getting that OT win...and they blew a 2-0 lead by a poor 3rd period to lose 8n OT to L.A. but overall 8n that game hardly generated much...so in the Fi al 3 games though they got 5 of 6 points they really deserved just 2 in my opinion...Thus the results were better than the deserving of points ...in only 2 games did they play very well for the majority of the game and in one of those they still list 6-3 ...the Edmonton,Calgary,Anaheim and L.A. games they really did not play well but still captured 6 points...But failing the stats and eyeball tests of how well they played or not we can say they play well in 4 of tge 6 games ..and then when we analyze individual contributions the Reality hits:

KANE the scoring hero ...9 pts in 6 games scoring points in every game..but a Minus player in 4 of the 6 games and positive in ES play in just 1 of 6 games...not really that net contributing at even strength...

TOEWS...that other $10.5 million guy...Zero points in 4 of the 6 games...2 g 1a for ONLY 3 points on the trip..a +1;in 6 games...Overall this is meh or poor for $10.5 million.

KEITH....3g3a but still only EVEN in the plus/minus over the 6 games...2 negative games 2 positive and 2 even games..Do except for special teams in ES okay hardly a difference'maker. Mixed bag results.

SEABROOK.....1g 5a for the trip...but negative in 3 of the 6 games and positive in just 2 of tge 6 games with one game at even...Again a mixed bag results...


Hossa...2g 1 a on the trip ...2g games positive 1 negative and 3 at even ....Average ...hardly starry ..

ANISIMOV......3g 1a for the trip ...but 3 negative games 2 even and just 1 positive in the ES game ..so again mixed bag.

PANARIN....1g 4a for the trip ...Overall -2 for the trip ...had 2 games of -2 though one of those was inflated by an en goal in VAN...4 games of the 6 with Zero points
..Again hardly impressive ..a bit disappointing ...only 2a in last 5 of 6 he's games...and nothing in last 2 if these games...so quite disappearing..Wonder if 5he grind and 3 in 4 nights schedule getting g to him?

KRUGER.....1a in the 6 games Even ...this hardly impresses especially given 3rd line promotion and having Hossa with him.now..


TVR...ZERO points on the trip...-3 for 6 games overall...positive n just 1 of the 6...A real.problem .Not improving...

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HAMMER .

1g 1a for the trip 3 Even 2 positive only 1 negative game
+2 overall...Pretty good from him.


Overall from this survey of key individuals we get a mixed bag of hardly impressive stats...Even Kane with his scoring was not that good with his just 1 positive plus minus game out of 6..


Yet despite the mixed bag of stats and the eyeball failure test ..we somehow pull 9ff the 8 of 12 possible points...Decidedly mixed reviews...Not really impressed ...Still a lit 9f work to do..Still some guys pulling below their pay scales...Still Q goita get more from everyone on both effort and on production and or better defensive play..Overall still MEH.
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[zac]

Ah...the half-full vs. half empty argument...

On the half full...these 6 games were of course road games and we still went 3-1-2 for 8 of 12 possible points..If you played .666 for all 82 games you get a 109 Pont season..Ant team would tale that...and of course we play better at home..So you could be encouraged about piling up a lot of points soon as we play 7 9f next 10 at home.


So when the Hawks brass say fairly pleased at the road trip results and 2hen Q says decent for our road trip you might think this glass is at least half-full...but the eyeball test belies this as do some of the individual "contribution s" on the trip....

SO the glass half empty arguments come.....Hawks stunk in the Edmonton ton and Calgary games but still got 3/4 points they really did not deserve..They played better than Vancouver a d a strong game except for the last 5 minutes and except for CC in net who stunk that game..They probably deserved a win on effort for 55 minutes of that game but instead lost 6-3 to Canucks...So far on "deserving g" they should have just 2 of 6 points in the first half of the trip but instead came away with 3 of 6 points...On the 2nd leg of the trip after the Vegas pit stop they got 5 of 6 points...On the eyeball test though they 0layers their best game of the trip in SJ and deserved the 2 points..they came back very late vs.ANH and did not deserve e the 2 points by getting that OT win...and they blew a 2-0 lead by a poor 3rd period to lose 8n OT to L.A. but overall 8n that game hardly generated much...so in the Fi al 3 games though they got 5 of 6 points they really deserved just 2 in my opinion...Thus the results were better than the deserving of points ...in only 2 games did they play very well for the majority of the game and in one of those they still list 6-3 ...the Edmonton,Calgary,Anaheim and L.A. games they really did not play well but still captured 6 points...But failing the stats and eyeball tests of how well they played or not we can say they play well in 4 of tge 6 games ..and then when we analyze individual contributions the Reality hits:

KANE the scoring hero ...9 pts in 6 games scoring points in every game..but a Minus player in 4 of the 6 games and positive in ES play in just 1 of 6 games...not really that net contributing at even strength...

TOEWS...that other $10.5 million guy...Zero points in 4 of the 6 games...2 g 1a for ONLY 3 points on the trip..a +1;in 6 games...Overall this is meh or poor for $10.5 million.

KEITH....3g3a but still only EVEN in the plus/minus over the 6 games...2 negative games 2 positive and 2 even games..Do except for special teams in ES okay hardly a difference'maker. Mixed bag results.

SEABROOK.....1g 5a for the trip...but negative in 3 of the 6 games and positive in just 2 of tge 6 games with one game at even...Again a mixed bag results...


Hossa...2g 1 a on the trip ...2g games positive 1 negative and 3 at even ....Average ...hardly starry ..

ANISIMOV......3g 1a for the trip ...but 3 negative games 2 even and just 1 positive in the ES game ..so again mixed bag.

PANARIN....1g 4a for the trip ...Overall -2 for the trip ...had 2 games of -2 though one of those was inflated by an en goal in VAN...4 games of the 6 with Zero points
..Again hardly impressive ..a bit disappointing ...only 2a in last 5 of 6 he's games...and nothing in last 2 if these games...so quite disappearing..Wonder if 5he grind and 3 in 4 nights schedule getting g to him?

KRUGER.....1a in the 6 games Even ...this hardly impresses especially given 3rd line promotion and having Hossa with him.now..


TVR...ZERO points on the trip...-3 for 6 games overall...positive n just 1 of the 6...A real.problem .Not improving...

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HAMMER .

1g 1a for the trip 3 Even 2 positive only 1 negative game
+2 overall...Pretty good from him.


Overall from this survey of key individuals we get a mixed bag of hardly impressive stats...Even Kane with his scoring was not that good with his just 1 positive plus minus game out of 6..


Yet despite the mixed bag of stats and the eyeball failure test ..we somehow pull 9ff the 8 of 12 possible points...Decidedly mixed reviews...Not really impressed ...Still a lit 9f work to do..Still some guys pulling below their pay scales...Still Q goita get more from everyone on both effort and on production and or better defensive play..Overall still MEH.
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When the entire team is struggling everyone's +- is going to be affected. It's hard to draw conclusion's when 10+ have similar stats.

Kane has been falling asleep a lot more defensively, taking offensive gambles that compromise his defense and positioning. The OT goal against the Kings was a prime example of him being at center ice and looking to pounce rather than making sure nobody got behind him. When he gets in this mode (consistently) he can negate his offensive value.

Kane has been amazing so far but he's started to display some bad habits.

 

[Bubba88]

8+ Points is what I want to see

wanted 8 pts, got 8 pts.

 

[BobbyJet]

When the entire team is struggling everyone's +- is going to be affected. It's hard to draw conclusion's when 10+ have similar stats.

Kane has been falling asleep a lot more defensively, taking offensive gambles that compromise his defense and positioning. The OT goal against the Kings was a prime example of him being at center ice and looking to pounce rather than making sure nobody got behind him. When he gets in this mode (consistently) he can negate his offensive value.

Kane has been amazing so far but he's started to display some bad habits.

Kane has always played that way. He has become more responsible defensively but will always cheat on the offensive side. Sometimes the cheating is blatant, but quite often it is only minutes later that Kaner does something magical and the defensive shortcomings are quickly forgotten.

 

[LordKOTL]

To add to that, BobbyJet: It was 3v3 OT. Defense so far in 3v3 OT has been rather lacking overall for all teams. I'm not going to crucify him for it.

Still, the results we got in points would have been the same if we lost all in OT, won 1, lost 1 and lost 3 in OT, went 2-2-2, or won 4 and lost 2. IMHO the only "Better" outcome with the same points would have been the 4-2 just for the extra ROW. It could have been worse.

 

[BobbyJet]

To add to that, BobbyJet: It was 3v3 OT. Defense so far in 3v3 OT has been rather lacking overall for all teams. I'm not going to crucify him for it.

Still, the results we got in points would have been the same if we lost all in OT, won 1, lost 1 and lost 3 in OT, went 2-2-2, or won 4 and lost 2. IMHO the only "Better" outcome with the same points would have been the 4-2 just for the extra ROW. It could have been worse.

Yes, most definitely. That miracle finish on Ducks ice salvaged the trip.