GDT: Pre-7: Rangers 4 at FLYERS 2, Thursday, Sept. 27, 2018, 7:00 p.m. ET

[Beef Invictus]

So you agree that more things should factor into an NHL player deployment decision than just raw talent?

I never suggested otherwise, did I? There is flat-out no excuse for benching Ghost for the stretches where he was benched. We would routinely be stuck in our end as less capable players weren't able to get the puck out.

Are you forgetting how long the game would go in the 3rd without Ghost or TK, two of our best players at pushing up ice, making an appearance? Meanwhile guys like Hagg, Macdonald, and the 4th line were getting extra shifts and floundering.

 

[Striiker]

I never suggested otherwise, did I? There is flat-out no excuse for benching Ghost for the stretches where he was benched. We would routinely be stuck in our end as less capable players weren't able to get the puck out.

Are you forgetting how long the game would go in the 3rd without Ghost or TK, two of our best players at pushing up ice, making an appearance? Meanwhile guys like Hagg, Macdonald, and the 4th line were getting extra shifts and floundering.

I haven't seen a single person make an argument based only on raw talent.

I wonder what that college english professor would have said about strawmen...

Ghost, for example, is better in all three zones than the guys who get played during the hakshell. It's not because of his raw skill, it's because he performs better at every point of the game, compared to someone like Hagg or Macdonald. Which is because of a mix of skill, intelligence, and whatever else.

 

[deadhead]

Ghost disappeared in the playoffs when he was closely checked. Why?

 

[Beef Invictus]

Ghost disappeared in the playoffs when he was closely checked. Why?

The entire team disappears facing Pittsburgh because Sullivan has Hakstol figured out. They knew the puck would be heading to the dmen and they were ready to contain. That's happened for a long time now.

 

[deadhead]

Answer the question, sir, answer the question.
Deflecting blame as usual, it's the coach's fault the undersized defenseman struggles when closely checked.
I'd point out that hie full sized partner had an excellent series, matched up against the same personnel.

 

[VladDrag]

The entire team disappears facing Pittsburgh because Sullivan has Hakstol figured out. They knew the puck would be heading to the dmen and they were ready to contain. That's happened for a long time now.

No, the proper answer is because he a scrawny weakling.

 

[deadhead]

Ghost has limited size, that's reality, which is why he's harder to shut down on the PP where you can't closely check a guy.
Now a lot of teams simply don't have the forwards to keep up with him, so it will vary game to game.

But this shows both the value of having big D-men like Sanheim and Myers who can also drive offense, and having fast forecheckers who can harass top offensive defensemen, Laughton, Raffl, eventually, Sushko, Rubtsov, maybe Farabee, etc. It's probably one reason they keep giving Goul opportunities, he has the speed and physical nature to be a good forechecker (if only he wasn't Edward Hockeystickhands!)

Top teams have a balance of skills so they can play different styles against different opponents, a team full of "figure skaters" will struggle against forechecking teams like the Pens and Vegas, teams full of "slugs" will struggle against TB and Toronto. You don't know who you'll get matched up in the playoffs, so you want the ability to play anyone.

 

[Striiker]

Ghost = Giroux

Underrated

 

[Beef Invictus]

Ghost has limited size, that's reality, which is why he's harder to shut down on the PP where you can't closely check a guy.
Now a lot of teams simply don't have the forwards to keep up with him, so it will vary game to game.

But this shows both the value of having big D-men like Sanheim and Myers who can also drive offense, and having fast forecheckers who can harass top offensive defensemen, Laughton, Raffl, eventually, Sushko, Rubtsov, maybe Farabee, etc. It's probably one reason they keep giving Goul opportunities, he has the speed and physical nature to be a good forechecker (if only he wasn't Edward Hockeystickhands!)

Top teams have a balance of skills so they can play different styles against different opponents, a team full of "figure skaters" will struggle against forechecking teams like the Pens and Vegas, teams full of "slugs" will struggle against TB and Toronto. You don't know who you'll get matched up in the playoffs, so you want the ability to play anyone.

Hagg is even less capable of playing against Pittsburgh than Ghost and Sanheim, yet he was emphasized. Do you think it is good coaching to use poor players over better suited players?

You must think that since you're defending it. Anyhow, maybe we shouldnt focus on a tiny sample size against a coach who absolutely abused Hakstol, and since your attempts to defend him choosing to match Hagg against Crosby will be shameful for you.


Theres the entire season, where we watched the same crap: good players sitting to end games while inferior players get extra shifts and get pounded. Do you think it is good coaching to sit your best players in crucial situations so your worst players can get more time?

 

[Tripod]

 

[Striiker]

The problem is the outdated mindset where bigger defensemen are better defensively, which we know is false. Hakstol believes this, so his white knights decided to adopt the ignorance as well.

Ghost is easily superior at preventing goals than the guys bigger than him who get played during the Hakshell. Hagg, Mac, Manning, and Gudas were/are all bigger and inferior.

 

[Lindberg]

Answer the question, sir, answer the question.
Deflecting blame as usual, it's the coach's fault the undersized defenseman struggles when closely checked.
I'd point out that hie full sized partner had an excellent series, matched up against the same personnel.

Most of the team besides Couturier and Provorov looked pretty poor in that series. The Pittsburgh series was just about as bad as it could get for the Flyers and somehow it went to game 6.

 

[Striiker]

Couturier and Provorov weren't even good the entire series either, they had down moments like everyone else.

The entire team was bad for most of the games because they just played the worst possible matchup.

The opposing coach and our coach were both chasing the same matchup... which is pathetic.

 

[BackToTheBrierePatch]

The entire team disappears facing Pittsburgh because Sullivan has Hakstol figured out. They knew the puck would be heading to the dmen and they were ready to contain. That's happened for a long time now.

Exactly, it really isnt hard to figure out.
Sullivan knows what Hakstol is going to do before he does.

 

[deadhead]

Sullivan just had a deeper, more talented team.

It's a lot easier to coach when you have a deep, playoff hardened team coming off two SC wins (the Pen "young" players had 40+ playoff games under their belts, Patrick, Lindlom, Sanheim zero, etc).

A better question is how did we take it to 6 games with Elliott and Mrazek in goal?

 

[kudymen]

And Hakstok behind the bench

 

[WIP CALLER]

Our good players are among the best talent in the league that's why. Our coach hampers them by deploying the shitty players in the worst possible situations to undo all the good that the good players do and more. That's how it went six games if you actually watched the series. Sorry to ruin the erotic fantasy in your head where haktard matched wits tit for tat with Sullivan and just barely came up short.