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If he is truly on their level as prospects, I suspect he'd go a lot higher than just in the top 10. Let's see how he does in Liiga during his D year though.
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AB13
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No Zion Nybeck? He is a top 10 prospect with his insane skill, creativity and intensive, well rounded two way game. He could go top 5 in most drafts.
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Drysdale at 2? There is no way players like Poirier, Foudy and Barron go ahead of the likes of Holtz, Gunler and Zion Nybeck. Helge Grans will surprise you, many Swedes think he is better than Broberg and Söderström. Marco Rossi and Cole Perfetti are also ranked surpisingly low. Can you explain your reasoning behind these picks?
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1-Alexis Lafreniere, LW Rimouski Oceanic(QMJHL)
2-Quinten Byfield, C Sudbury Wolves(OHL)
3-Lucas Raymond, RW Frolunda(SHL)
4-Anton Lundell, C HIFK(Liiga)
5-Alexander Holtz, W Djurgardens(SHL)
6-Cole Perfetti, C Saginaw Spirit(OHL)
7-Connor Zary, C Kamloops Blazers(WHL)
8-Noel Gunler, RW Lulea(SHL)
9-Jamie Drysdale, D Erie Otters(OHL)
10-Yaroslav Askarov, G SKA(MHL)
11-Justin Barron, D Halifax Mooseheads(QMJHL)
12-Dawson Mercer, RW Drummondville Voltigeurs(QMJHL)
13-Marco Rossi, C Ottawa 67’s(OHL)
14-Jacob Perreault, C Sarnia Sting(OHL)
15-Kaiden Guhle, D Prince Albert Raiders(WHL)
16-Mavrik Bourque, C Shawinigan Cataractes(QMJHL)
17-Dylan Holloway, LW Wisconsin(NCAA)
18-Jean-Luc Foudy, C Windsor Spitfires(OHL)
19-Zion Nybeck, RW HV71(SuperElit)
20-Lukas Cormier, D Charlottetown Islanders(QMJHL)
21-Rodion Amirov, LW Tolpar Ufa(MHL)
22-Justin Sourdif, C Vancouver Giants(WHL)
23-Kasper Simontaival, RW Tappara(Liiga)
24-Hendrix Lapierre, C Chicoutimi Sagueneens(QMJHL)
25-Vasili Ponomaryov, LW MHK(MHL)
26-Jake Sanderson, D NTDP(USHL)
27-Braden Schneider, D Brandon Wheat Kings(WHL)
28-Jeremie Poirier, D Saint John Sea Dogs(QMJHL)
29-Alexander Nikishin, D MHK(MHL)
30-Theo Rochette, C Chicoutimi Sagueneens(QMJHL)
31-Will Cuylle, LW Windsor Spitfires(OHL)
HM-Jake Neighbours, LW Edmonton Oil Kings(WHL)
HM-Jan Mysak, LW HC Litvinov(Czech)
HM-Antonio Stranges, LW London Knights(OHL)
HM-Ty Smilanic, LW NTDP(USHL)
HM-Michael Benning, D Sherwood Park Crusaders(AJHL)
Looks very deep going into the year. Some will disappoint, some will come out of no where.
2-Quinten Byfield, C Sudbury Wolves(OHL)
3-Lucas Raymond, RW Frolunda(SHL)
4-Anton Lundell, C HIFK(Liiga)
5-Alexander Holtz, W Djurgardens(SHL)
6-Cole Perfetti, C Saginaw Spirit(OHL)
7-Connor Zary, C Kamloops Blazers(WHL)
8-Noel Gunler, RW Lulea(SHL)
9-Jamie Drysdale, D Erie Otters(OHL)
10-Yaroslav Askarov, G SKA(MHL)
11-Justin Barron, D Halifax Mooseheads(QMJHL)
12-Dawson Mercer, RW Drummondville Voltigeurs(QMJHL)
13-Marco Rossi, C Ottawa 67’s(OHL)
14-Jacob Perreault, C Sarnia Sting(OHL)
15-Kaiden Guhle, D Prince Albert Raiders(WHL)
16-Mavrik Bourque, C Shawinigan Cataractes(QMJHL)
17-Dylan Holloway, LW Wisconsin(NCAA)
18-Jean-Luc Foudy, C Windsor Spitfires(OHL)
19-Zion Nybeck, RW HV71(SuperElit)
20-Lukas Cormier, D Charlottetown Islanders(QMJHL)
21-Rodion Amirov, LW Tolpar Ufa(MHL)
22-Justin Sourdif, C Vancouver Giants(WHL)
23-Kasper Simontaival, RW Tappara(Liiga)
24-Hendrix Lapierre, C Chicoutimi Sagueneens(QMJHL)
25-Vasili Ponomaryov, LW MHK(MHL)
26-Jake Sanderson, D NTDP(USHL)
27-Braden Schneider, D Brandon Wheat Kings(WHL)
28-Jeremie Poirier, D Saint John Sea Dogs(QMJHL)
29-Alexander Nikishin, D MHK(MHL)
30-Theo Rochette, C Chicoutimi Sagueneens(QMJHL)
31-Will Cuylle, LW Windsor Spitfires(OHL)
HM-Jake Neighbours, LW Edmonton Oil Kings(WHL)
HM-Jan Mysak, LW HC Litvinov(Czech)
HM-Antonio Stranges, LW London Knights(OHL)
HM-Ty Smilanic, LW NTDP(USHL)
HM-Michael Benning, D Sherwood Park Crusaders(AJHL)
Looks very deep going into the year. Some will disappoint, some will come out of no where.
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Lundell has faced comparisons to Barkov and Anton's stats before draft season are almost identical with Barkov's stats before his draft year ( 2013).
But differences between Barkov and Lundell is that Lundell isn't as flashy as Barkov and he doesn't have Barkov's offensive upside and in my opinion Lundell is more like Patrice Bergeron or Mikko Koivu than Barkov which isn't bad because Barkov is awesome.
Lundell projects 2nd or 3rd line NHL center but he necessarily isn't franchise level center like Matthews, McDavid, Barkov, Datsjuk, Hughes, Crosby, or Toews. But that doesn't mean Lundell can't develop at least OK 1st or 2nd line C in NHL.
Lundell is smart two way center who's really good in faceoff circle and he can win nearly 50-55% all his draws what he takes and he also knows his responsibility with defensive duties.
Lundell's biggest strength is his hockey IQ which is high he can play all situations in the game and run powerplay.
Lundell is more playmaking center but he can score goals too thanks to his good wrist shot.
Lundell is one the best Finnish centers after Barkov and Kotkaniemi but Anton isn't only TOP center coming from Finland because 2021 draft eligible center prospect Aatu Räty is already now highly touted in Finland and he has chance to compete 1st overall selection in 2021.
There's no much similarities with Laine and Lundell and being honest Lundell shouldn't be compared to Laine. Lundell is Center who can play winger but that's all and Lundell's shot isn't like Laine's shot.
Lundell and Kakko are both 2001 born and they have played together all Finnish junior national team age groups. But as a players they are different so there's no much similarities with Kakko and Lundell either.
Lundell probably gets drafted somewhere TOP5 / TOP10 but he can rise TOP3 if he can score more points in liiga and U20 WJC's what Sweden's top prospects Raymond and Holtz will score in SHL and U20 WJC's.
If Lundell can be better than Raymond and Holtz then there's no reason why he won't go TOP3.
But right now both Swedes ( Raymond and Holtz) has advantage to Lundell thanks to their very good tournament in 2019 U18 WJC's where Sweden finally won their 1st U18 WJC gold.
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AB13
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I missed that, guess I am stupid. 25 is still ridiculously low in my eyes though
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25 is ridiculously high for a 5'7 player. I really like Nybeck though, he's got everything a player of that size needs to be successful.
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Drysdale is closer to 1 than 3, in my opinion. Great defensemen whose game is reminiscent of Drew Doughty. Foudy is one of the best skaters I've ever seen, and thats not hyperbolic. He also has very good skill and playmaking. I might be too low on his game. Of all the players I have ranked outside the top five, I think he has the best chance to challenge for 1OA. Poirier has great potential. His stats and role this season were lower than his ability level. He'll rise on lists that have him outside the top 10.
I'm less of a fan of Barron, but he's still a good player who I think as of now looks like he projects as some sort of top pairing D. How high is his hockey IQ and how well does he defend? I don't think he's bad in either category, but I don't know if he's good enough in either category to be a 1D. Gunler has attitude questions that could hold back his draft position, he's shown absolutely nothing playing for Sweden, and the skating is a weakness. I could certainly see him moving up in my rankings, but right now I wouldn't put him inside the top ten. I like Nybeck and Grans, but its a very deep draft class. There are too many players I thought should be in the range 5-10 slots higher, but couldn't place them in those slots. I think this is an extremely deep draft early on from about 10-60.
With Holtz, I just don't see much that is better than slightly above-average, aside from his shot. And if thats so, what degree are we talking about with his shot? If the rest of his game isn't elite, he better be Ovechkin level or Laine level where you can safely say he's a 40 goal per season guy to project as a top five pick. Is he closer to players such as Wahlstrom, Tippett, Caufield who have elite shots but aren't sure thing generational goal scorers? I'd say he's closer to the latter category. I tend to think he's one of the more overhyped players in this draft class. I think the discussion surrounding him centers too much on his previous reputation where he was considered the frontrunner for 1OA with Lafreniere.
Smaller players without great skating is the issue for Rossi and Perfetti. Both also had their point totals inflated compared to some other players in this draft class because they played on good teams this season.
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He's not way ahead. Nowhere near a McDavid, not even a Matthews or Dahlin level of prospect a year before the draft. He's in the Hughes, Svechnikov, Kakko category. I'd say there's about a 40% chance he goes 1OA. I think 1OA is far from decided at this point, but he is the favorite to go 1OA.
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I somewhat agree with your statement, but I PERSONALLY think Svech is just a tad bit below tier wise as a prospect entering the draft. Semantics though.
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While I am inclined to agree with your tiers, I think there’s a 80% chance he goes first. The body of work to this point is so phenomenal it would require an inadequate season from him PLUS a huge year-long performance from one in a limited list of talents to be supplanted.
From my own list:
50 for 2020
- Alexis Lafreniere
- Quinton Byfield
- Anton Lundell
- Jamie Drysdale
- Lucas Raymond
- Alexander Holtz
- Cole Perfetti
- Connor Zary
- Dylan Holloway
- Justin Barron
- Tim Stutzle
- Jan Mysak
- Noel Gunler
- Hendrix Lapierre
- Marco Rossi
- Jeremie Poirier
- Jacob Perreault
- Jean-Luc Foudy
- Kaiden Guhle
- Zion Nybeck
- Antonio Stranges
- Kasper Simontaival
- Will Cuylle
- Mavrik Bourque
- Ty Smilanic
- Ryder Rolston
- Jake Neighbours
- Daniil Gushchin
- Jaromir Pytlik
- Connor McClennon
- Theo Rochette
- Alexander Nikishin
- Dawson Mercer
- Justin Sourdif
- Sean Farrell
- Leyton Moore
- Helge Grans
- Dylan Peterson
- Josh Lawrence
- Braden Schneider
- Lukas Cormier
- Roni Hirvonen
- Charlie DesRoches
- Thomas Bordeleau
- Emil Andrae
- Yaroslav Askarov
- Luke Tuch
- Ozzy Wiesblatt
- Jake Sanderson
- William Villeneuve
Been a good 4 months but this is still a pretty good idea of where my head is at
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Lleyton Moore isn't on anyone's top 60 or so lists yet? Huh?
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One guy that could rise into the early rounds is JJ Peterka.
Could be an interesting draft for Germany.
Tim Stützle, JJ Peterka, Samuel Dubé (depending on his health) and Maximilian Glötzl are all very good prospects. And there are another 5 or 6 guys that could have a legitimate chance of being drafted.
Could be an interesting draft for Germany.
Tim Stützle, JJ Peterka, Samuel Dubé (depending on his health) and Maximilian Glötzl are all very good prospects. And there are another 5 or 6 guys that could have a legitimate chance of being drafted.
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Yes he is, I just forgot he exists. Would have him around 10-15 but skating is a huge concern
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I have not watched Drysdale much but I do not see much offensive upside with him, I am not sure if he has the creativity and shot to run a power play for example. His skating is great and his defensive game is solid but I do not see any real standout ability at all besides his skating.
With Foudy, he does not really have close to the skill or playmaking of some other forwards in this class in my eyes. His skill and playmaking is decent but not much more. I do not see anything special at all yet besides skating but Inreally have not seen too much.
Does Gunler have attidute issues? I have not heard of that. The reason he was left off the U18 was because the coach for some reason thought role players where more useful. His shot, skating and skill is through the roof, and his production is Superelit and the SHL is insane.
Alexander Holtz has a lot more than just an elite shot. His hands and skill level are elite, his playmaking is very underrated and extremely good, he plays with great intensity and compete level and has a good defensive game along other good agility and solid speed. He is very well rounded.
You make a good point about Perfetti and Rossi, Perfettis skating really is a huge concern. I do also think they are overhyped
but their skill and production is way too good to be ranked that low.
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I do not think his height is much of a concern at all, he is physically strong regardless and often wins battles against players much larger than him. Scouts might see it as an issue though but I really have not noticed height to be an issue whenever I have seen him on the ice, and as you implied, his skill, creativity, motor, defensive game and skating are good enough to become a brilliant player.
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Ranking the Swedish players is much harder for this draft. I expect a ton of movement.
1. Lucas Raymond - Easy choice at this point. Best puck skills, good motor and edge work. Really smart player but I wouldn't say his IQ is quite at an elite level. Overall a very good offensive player who can score goals and set up plays but he also works hard all over the ice.
2. Zion Nybeck - Don't think he will be picked top-2 among Swedish players but he became my personal favorite this spring. You don't often see players with high end motor who at the same time is able to read the game at an elite level. I see him as a Crosby-esque player who doesn't need to be flashy to put up big numbers. Nybeck is a thick kid who works extremely hard, is strong on his skates and is able to handle the puck close to his body. He's probably more of a playmaker but he can finish as well.
3. Noel Gunler - Opposite of Nybeck in many ways. He knows where to go to score goals and his wrist shot is the best of this group, better than Holtz imo. His skating is not bad but not great. My main concern is his intensity level. He's very passive a lot of times and needs to be more involved, there is some Alex Nylander in him. Gunler is not physically mature so maybe he'll grow some more. He's also in a good position to get solid SHL minutes next season with time on the PP.
4. Alexander Holtz - Not my favorite player here. You could make the argument that he has the highest upside but there are too many holes in his game I think. Limited puck skills, average skater at best. What bothers me most is his decision making when he gets under pressure, his awareness is not there and those blind plays he so often makes are never going to work in the SHL, let alone NHL. He needs to simplify his game a lot. On the positive side, Holtz is a hard worker and his goal scoring instincts are elite. Doesn't matter if he has a good or bad game, he will still score at the junior level.
5a. Helge Grans - Defensive horse. Could see him move up to #2 on this list. Big, thick defenseman with a strong stride. He'll be the go-to guy on the Swedish U18 team and will get top PP & PK minutes. More offensively gifted version of Tobias Björnfot.
5b. William Wallinder - Haven't seen him nearly as much as the other players but he looked really, really good late this season on the U17 national team. Wasn't used much in offensive situations so not sure if he's an OEL or Marcus Pettersson. Really tall player with a super long reach and good stick work defensively. Very good passer.
6. Emil Andrae - Most skilled D-man. His play on the blue line is excellent, seen him fake out guys like crazy. Not very big and only an average skater though. He could also jump up this list if he improves his explosiveness.
1. Lucas Raymond - Easy choice at this point. Best puck skills, good motor and edge work. Really smart player but I wouldn't say his IQ is quite at an elite level. Overall a very good offensive player who can score goals and set up plays but he also works hard all over the ice.
2. Zion Nybeck - Don't think he will be picked top-2 among Swedish players but he became my personal favorite this spring. You don't often see players with high end motor who at the same time is able to read the game at an elite level. I see him as a Crosby-esque player who doesn't need to be flashy to put up big numbers. Nybeck is a thick kid who works extremely hard, is strong on his skates and is able to handle the puck close to his body. He's probably more of a playmaker but he can finish as well.
3. Noel Gunler - Opposite of Nybeck in many ways. He knows where to go to score goals and his wrist shot is the best of this group, better than Holtz imo. His skating is not bad but not great. My main concern is his intensity level. He's very passive a lot of times and needs to be more involved, there is some Alex Nylander in him. Gunler is not physically mature so maybe he'll grow some more. He's also in a good position to get solid SHL minutes next season with time on the PP.
4. Alexander Holtz - Not my favorite player here. You could make the argument that he has the highest upside but there are too many holes in his game I think. Limited puck skills, average skater at best. What bothers me most is his decision making when he gets under pressure, his awareness is not there and those blind plays he so often makes are never going to work in the SHL, let alone NHL. He needs to simplify his game a lot. On the positive side, Holtz is a hard worker and his goal scoring instincts are elite. Doesn't matter if he has a good or bad game, he will still score at the junior level.
5a. Helge Grans - Defensive horse. Could see him move up to #2 on this list. Big, thick defenseman with a strong stride. He'll be the go-to guy on the Swedish U18 team and will get top PP & PK minutes. More offensively gifted version of Tobias Björnfot.
5b. William Wallinder - Haven't seen him nearly as much as the other players but he looked really, really good late this season on the U17 national team. Wasn't used much in offensive situations so not sure if he's an OEL or Marcus Pettersson. Really tall player with a super long reach and good stick work defensively. Very good passer.
6. Emil Andrae - Most skilled D-man. His play on the blue line is excellent, seen him fake out guys like crazy. Not very big and only an average skater though. He could also jump up this list if he improves his explosiveness.
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