My point is you can't buy a cup it never works and yest that is what some want.
Proposal: Please Sell This Team, Melnyk.
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My point is you can't buy a cup it never works and yest that is what some want.
Gil Gunderson
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Making moves to improve the team = buying a Cup?
Hossa was key in Chicago's Cup wins. I guess they bought a couple Cups.
I'd like to see the Sens not being disadvantaged by facing 2/3 of NHL teams spending 10+ million dollars more then Ottawa.
I just want Ottawa to be able to compete at the same financial level of more then half the league
Gil Gunderson
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As mentioned before, we have the pieces to build around. 1st line centre, 2nd line, Norris winning d-man, and a #1 goalie. What is there to wait for?
StefanW
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No, not really. Not having enough money to buy Mercedes that you want does not mean that you have to drive around in a Ford Pinto. There is a lot of room in between to purchase a really good product.
hossa came in when all their draft picks were becoming major players.
excatly the game plan.
build from the draft.
when drafted players in their prime.
bring in the free agents.
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make a run at the cup
THIS IS the way of the new NHL in the cap era...
Look at Chicago the most of there key palyers are the ones they drafted now look at some of these comments its not about common sense its lets sepnd so we can say were in the top 20.
You can and should spend on players that will help with the team no question should you go out and make stupid deals just to appease some fans who wnat the team to spend like crazy no.
He was and still is on a sweetheart deal. The type of deal that the league would void/not-allow today.
I'm not saying signing an UFA would hurt but literally every team in the league would be prepared to offer a Hossa type contract to someone who gives you 65+ points and a solid 2-way game. Hossa wanted that deal with that team. It was amazing for Chicago. And finally, that type of deal isn't even allowed anymore.
We can improve through UFA signings but nowhere near as much as that insane Chicago-Hossa signing. Which leads to the question - can you still buy your way to a Stanley Cup? Other teams that won suggest you can buy some talent but most needs to be 'home-grown'.
Look at Boston who went out and bought Chara and Savard at the beginning of their build.
What top draft picks then they wait for to start spending and go for it?
Micklebot
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Well, they are showing a commitment to their young players, showing that they believe they will have long term success with them.
They've gone out and gotten Ryan when Alfie left.
The team is taking a development approach. They are looking to develop the assets they have before adding. complain if and when the assets are developed and the don't add, but right now the budget really isn't hurting our long term goals and adding to it wouldn't make us reach them any sooner.
Gil Gunderson
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Building a winning team isn't a step-by-step formula. I see no reason why a team can't have young players develop while also trying to improve certain areas at the same time.
And with the pieces we have (#1 centre, 2nd line, #1 d-man, and #1 goalie), what difference does it make if some were drafted or were acquired via trade/signing? Turris, Ryan, and Mac weren't drafted by the Sens.
Then we disagree where the team is at.
Last year they advanced past the first round.
Have a 1C, Nortis winning D, Number 1G
But the team only spent 51 million this season as ownership showed no commitment to help them get to the next level.
YouGotAStuGoing
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Last year, the team also made it TO the first round without their 1C, Norris-winning D and number 1G. The team probably figured they were adding these pieces to an already competent group — there was no reason to break the bank and add even more players.
Micklebot
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Is there a Chara and Savard equivalent for us to sign out there right now? If not, then you really have no point.
If Ottawa could add Weber and Backstrom right now as UFA's then maybe you'd have a point, and maybe if they were available the team would open up the budget, but the reality is that kind of situation doesn't happen very often.
They didn't even need to add anyone besides MacArthur and Ryan. Just keep Alfredsson, while also getting MacArthur and Ryan.
This is what makes me believe its all Melnyk's cheapness and not just spending slowly and smart.
What worthy UFA signs a one year deal?
All this whining about Melnyk doesn't change the simple fact this team isn't ready to compete for the cup, even with the three adds Fuhr suggests.
Spezza, Karlsson and Anderson all have to stay healthy and be much better for this team to make the playoffs next year.
Ryan has to come to camp completely recovered from his surgery and score at least 30.
As well Cowen, Wiercoich, Zibby, Hoffman and Stone all need to take their games to another level, without Turris or MacArthur slipping at all.
It isn't going to get easier to just make the playoffs.
Columbus was no fluke, Detroit will be in the thick of it again, the NYIs are improving and TO can keep collapsing can they?
Fuhr's adds of Hemsky, Cammillari and Yandle would definitely help, yet once again names are thrown out there with random numbers that have zero to do with reality.
Who honestly believes Cammi is going to sign in Ottawa for $4.5M, coming off a 63 game, 26 goal, 45 point season? IMO it ain't happening for less than $6M.
How can anyone be sure what Hemsky will do, to pencil him into the Ottawa lineup is to assume he won't get other, better offers from elsewhere.
So Murray can do nothing to assure these two guys play in Ottawa, unless he overpays in dollars and term significantly above market.
Lastly, what is the cost to acquire Yandle or does Phoenix just send him to Ottawa to be nice?
There are 30 GMs competing for limited resources, yet somehow some people on these boards think acquiring players of the caliber mentioned is as easy posting here.
At the same time many are beating on Melynk for not spending millions more, yet there is no guarantee he can acquire players of value to spend the money on.
HavlatMach9
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You made a very compelling argument as to why the Sens should move the big five UFAs?
Team is not close to winning so might as well continue the rebuild... As you illustrated quite clearly it's impossible to upgrade the roster
If you believe this, then you didn't watch this team play this season.
Anderson was back to average, the D inexperienced, Karlsson struggled, Spezza, Michalek, Neil, and Phillips were below average, and Ryan injured.
If anyone believes a 41 year old Alfie could have made up for the above then they believe in fairy tales.
We could have been top 20 in spending simply by signing MacArthur, Alfie, Gonchar and trading for Ryan. Completely realistic and not just throwing money every where trying to buy a cup.
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