Please, get Pacioretty off the half-board role on the power play.

[BigDaddyLurch]

Power play is 29th in the league. Keep things like they are, got it.

LOL, the title said to get Max off the power play, those are all direct reactions to it. You changed it because of such reactions

 

[Dominator13]

LOL, the title said to get Max off the power play, those are all direct reactions to it. You changed it because of such reactions

I had too, because I thought people would actually read and comment on the whole thing, not post old out dated image jokes, like yours..

 

[BigDaddyLurch]

If the strategy is to dump and chase to enter the zone, then your forwards shouldn't be DD, Gallagher, Parenteau or MaxPac.

We usually lose our battles, then after a minute someone tries to enter the zone on his own (usually Subban), with the 4 other guys waiting at the blue line. Then we lose the puck again.

...funny thing is, we do have two forwards who excel at winning board battles and retrieving the puck after dumps-ins...Eller & Sekac, the two that Therrien thinks are allergic to PPs...

 

[Dominator13]

Pacioretty doesn't need to get off the PP, he needs to be in the slot... It's pretty simple.
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Pretty simple... Big body in front of the net, opens up the cross ice from Chucky to Markov or Markov to Chuky. Opens up the backdoor for Markov, gives us a real shooter in the slot.

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Exactly, option 1 is what I would love, but the problem is it doesn't seem like a role HE wants. He has the 2 goal performance yesterday by playing the slot, goes back to half board 24 hours later, pp sucks again...

 

[Garnet]

I agree with mrb1p. The high slot shooter is why the PP has been successful over the last 7-8 yrs. You need to have you best shooter in that position. This options makes defensemen make desicions on who to cover and opens up.the down low seams.

 

[DJ Breadman]

If you know hockey, the poster is correct, you need a good/great passer on the half wall of the powerplay patches is not that he is a great shooter, he needs to be in another position on the powerplay.

 

[FuelOrWater]

lol what?

 

[Lorty]

We are being trapped along the boards because our PP players aren't aggressive and strong enough with the puck. I swear they're CONSTANTLY rubbing their butt on the boards.

Come on MT, give Eller and Sekac a chance!

 

[Kachino]

Completely agree with the updated post from MaxPac. Pacioretty is not well suited for his role on the half wall. He should be free to roam in the slot in order to use that quick release of his. By doing so, you now have shooting options (Pacioretty and one of the defenseman).

 

[Kriss E]

If you know hockey, the poster is correct, you need a good/great passer on the half wall of the powerplay patches is not that he is a great shooter, he needs to be in another position on the powerplay.

Not necessarily true. Cammalleri was great at unloading his one timer from the half board. Just in the game vs CLB you had a great example of Johansen doing it as well.
Pacioretty can actually play there, although I do personally like him more in the slot as well. The issue with the PP was the tendency to really always try to set up the point. They still do it of course, but a little less and they're trying to use the forwards more now.
However, they still take way too long to get set up and have issues moving the puck faster than the opposition skates. Habs also seem to waste at least 30-45sec almost every PP playing the dump and chase game resulting in a loss of possession and zone clearance.

 

[Mrb1p]

Not necessarily true. Cammalleri was great at unloading his one timer from the half board. Just in the game vs CLB you had a great example of Johansen doing it as well.
Pacioretty can actually play there, although I do personally like him more in the slot as well. The issue with the PP was the tendency to really always try to set up the point. They still do it of course, but a little less and they're trying to use the forwards more now.
However, they still take way too long to get set up and have issues moving the puck faster than the opposition skates. Habs also seem to waste at least 30-45sec almost every PP playing the dump and chase game resulting in a loss of possession and zone clearance.

Cammy didn't play on the half-board, though. He played at the dot or just inside it, which is basically just outside the slot. Kovy shot from the half-board.

 

[Le Barron de HF]

Yep, mrb1p is absolutely right on how the players should be positioned and it's mind boggling that a coach with so many games (along with the coaching staff) can't draw the same conclusion.

Gallagher, DD, Plekanec, PAP, their PP time should be reduced by a lot.

Personally my units would be:
Sekac-Plekanec-Gallagher
Eller-Galchenyuk-Pacioretty
DD in for Plekanec every now and then, PAP can sit because he's just awfully average at everything.

 

[MSLs absurd thighs]

Best shooter on the team - let's take him to an area of the ice where he can't use his shot. Sounds logic.

 

[Dominator13]

Best shooter on the team - let's take him to an area of the ice where he can't use his shot. Sounds logic.

When does he EVER score from the half board on the power play?

1) Our pp stinks as it currently is and

2) Pacioretty only has 4 powerplay goals including 2 Wednesday when he was (drum roll please) IN THE SLOT CLOSE TO THE NET.

Why is there so few that can see what's so obvious? Fans and coaches are too distracted by how good he is 5 on 5 to see how of little value he is when he's playing a role where you need vision to be effective. Kovalev had it, Cammalleri had it, Galchenyuk has it, Pacioretty does not.

 

[skipp18]

Yes, I agree with the original post. Max is being completely misused when he is playing the half-boards on the power play. This has been major contributing factor in our lack of PP success.

Just look at the two goals he scored vs Columbus. He needs to be in the slot area, moving around getting open for a shot. The playmaker role on the PP does not suit his skills at all.

Max is a great north-south skater and he has a great shot. In a PP situation we need to put him in a shooting position.

The people on this thread need to learn how to read. No one is suggesting to get him off the power play. The idea is to use him properly to maximize his skills.

 

[MSLs absurd thighs]

When does he EVER score from the half board on the power play?

1) Our pp stinks as it currently is and

2) Pacioretty only has 4 powerplay goals including 2 Wednesday when he was (drum roll please) IN THE SLOT CLOSE TO THE NET.

Why is there so few that can see what's so obvious? Fans and coaches are too distracted by how good he is 5 on 5 to see how of little value he is when he's playing a role where you need vision to be effective. Kovalev had it, Cammalleri had it, Galchenyuk has it, Pacioretty does not.

And who exactly is a better fit to play the half-boards? Tell me. Galchenyuk who'll deke himself out of his skates and create a turnover? Gallagher? Plekanec?

He's our best option at playing this position, and he's our best shooter. The problem of our PP has nothing to do with Max Pacioretty.

You have a top-10 NHL scorer in your roster, and you don't even want to see him used on the PP? What kind of Pejorative Slured logic is that?

Cammalleri wasn't THAT dominant on the PP. As for Kovalev, he had a prime-years Markov feeding him perfect cross-crease passes. It's not the same situation at all. Our PP sucks because;

- We only take one shot per shift in the offensive zone, since we can't put our hands on our own rebounds.
- Markov has lost a step or two, while the league has kind of figured Subban out.
- The only way we can gain the offensive zone is skating in with the puck, since we suck at puck retrieval.

It's not that complicated. Pacioretty being used on the half-boards and cycling the puck with Plekanec is a good thing.

 

[Mrb1p]

And who exactly is a better fit to play the half-boards? Tell me. Galchenyuk who'll deke himself out of his skates and create a turnover? Gallagher? Plekanec?

He's our best option at playing this position, and he's our best shooter. The problem of our PP has nothing to do with Max Pacioretty.

You have a top-10 NHL scorer in your roster, and you don't even want to see him used on the PP? What kind of Pejorative Slured logic is that?

Cammalleri wasn't THAT dominant on the PP. As for Kovalev, he had a prime-years Markov feeding him perfect cross-crease passes. It's not the same situation at all. Our PP sucks because;

- We only take one shot per shift in the offensive zone, since we can't put our hands on our own rebounds.
- Markov has lost a step or two, while the league has kind of figured Subban out.
- The only way we can gain the offensive zone is skating in with the puck, since we suck at puck retrieval.

It's not that complicated. Pacioretty being used on the half-boards and cycling the puck with Plekanec is a good thing.

Lol， Michel plz.

 

[Scriptor]

Yeah, because taking our best forward off the powerplay will make it better.

Seriously?

I'm not singling you out but, people really can't read. The OP said Pacioretty shouldn't play the half-board role. He didn't say he shouldn't play on the PP. he said that, if Pacioretty wasn't willing to play a different role -- one that would better play to his strengths -- he shouldn't play on the PP.

 

[Scriptor]

When does he EVER score from the half board on the power play?

1) Our pp stinks as it currently is and

2) Pacioretty only has 4 powerplay goals including 2 Wednesday when he was (drum roll please) IN THE SLOT CLOSE TO THE NET.

Why is there so few that can see what's so obvious? Fans and coaches are too distracted by how good he is 5 on 5 to see how of little value he is when he's playing a role where you need vision to be effective. Kovalev had it, Cammalleri had it, Galchenyuk has it, Pacioretty does not.

Pacioretty did score ONE from the half board not that many games ago when he gave us his impression of Kovalev, cutting in towards the net from the half board and unloading.

Thing is pacioretty doesn't seem all that willing to cut in from the half board and take a shot. Why would that be? Possibility of being blind-sided and taken out by a not so sportsmanlike defender?

Half the time, the shooter, in that instance is either vulnerable or close to being vulnerable.

 

[Big Lurk]

Nvm title edited
You little rascal you

 

[Estimated_Prophet]

Pacioretty is great on the half boards.....he is not the problem. The problem is the same with every struggling power play and that is being too predictable and playing station to station with perimeter passing. Subban has actually been the main problem as he makes poor decisions as he gives up way too many shots in prime position. This stupid habit of faking the shot only to pass the puck back into the perimeter is incredibly frustrating to watch.

Good power plays always feature strong puck movement facilitated by player movement. When players are in constant movement and move the puck quickly passing lanes become extremely difficult to shut down. The penalty kill is 100% based on filling passing lanes and blocking shots. When offensive players are static these lanes are very easy to defend. It is laughable that people think Pacioretty should set up office in the slot between the circles. No player can do such a thing as he would immediately be smothered by defenders. The whole idea of the box on the pk is to keep players out of the slot and force them to pass around the perimeter. Great snipers have a knack for finding holes in the slot just as a teammate gains control of the puck, allowing for a fleeting moment to complete the pass and shot. You don't set up there but it is always a PP's goal to get the puck into the center of the ice. It is strong movement that breaks down defenders and opens lanes in the slot.

Another huge problem are zone entries. For whatever reason we have been carrying the puck slowly through the neutral zone causing the wingers to lose momentum at the blue line. The result is dump ins that can't be corralled and short entry passes that are clogged by defenders who weren't backed off by the slow neutral zone rush. The puck has to be brought in with speed which will allow forechecking wingers to carry speed for dump in retrievals. If the defenders fall back to defend this strategy then they allow the puck carrier to gain clean entry. The passive approach currently being deployed is typical of a group lacking confidence and overthinking a simple problem. It is pretty damning on the PP coaching however........that being said, many people employed as NHL coaches/assistants etc. are not the sharpest tools in the shed. They are eventually exposed then finish their careers on t.v./radio or somewhere where they aren't over their heads in their respective chosen vocation.

 

[Estimated_Prophet]

Pacioretty did score ONE from the half board not that many games ago when he gave us his impression of Kovalev, cutting in towards the net from the half board and unloading.

Thing is pacioretty doesn't seem all that willing to cut in from the half board and take a shot. Why would that be? Possibility of being blind-sided and taken out by a not so sportsmanlike defender?

Half the time, the shooter, in that instance is either vulnerable or close to being vulnerable.

When Pacioretty receives the puck it is usually through a predictable sequence of passes therefore every defender is positioned properly leaving little room for production. Kovalev used to be able to score in this scenario because the defenders were terrified of challenging him and being dangled, the result was they would back in towards the net allowing him to move in and greatly improve his shooting angle. Very few players in the history of the game were as good as Kovalev was at doing this so Pacioretty's inability to do so is hardly a strike against him.

Give Paciotetty the puck on the half boards with defenders out of position due to quick puck movement and he will produce.....alot.

 

[Dominator13]

When Pacioretty receives the puck it is usually through a predictable sequence of passes therefore every defender is positioned properly leaving little room for production. Kovalev used to be able to score in this scenario because the defenders were terrified of challenging him and being dangled, the result was they would back in towards the net allowing him to move in and greatly improve his shooting angle. Very few players in the history of the game were as good as Kovalev was at doing this so Pacioretty's inability to do so is hardly a strike against him.

Give Paciotetty the puck on the half boards with defenders out of position due to quick puck movement and he will produce.....alot.

I'm sorry but I don't buy it. Your post (s) just seems like a bunch of excuses to be honest. No **** they're a bunch predictable sequences, THEY ALL ARE! There's been drills practiced about 10 hours only this week plus video, every power play has a plan, what seperates the good from the mediocre is how well you execute, period.

not to mention, how exactly do you get defenders "off position" from his angles exactly? He can't exactly fly with the puck like he does 5 on 5 from the half board...

I don't get how some are even trying to debate this. For a player that starts every powerplay, he has 4 goals, including 2 THIS WEEK where he was NOT playing half board. He went back to his spot 24 hours later, and we sucked again.

 

[Estimated_Prophet]

I'm sorry but I don't buy it. Your post (s) just seems like a bunch of excuses to be honest. No **** they're a bunch predictable sequences, THEY ALL ARE! There's been drills practiced about 10 hours only this week plus video, every power play has a plan, what seperates the good from the mediocre is how well you execute, period.

not to mention, how exactly do you get defenders "off position" from his angles exactly? He can't exactly fly with the puck like he does 5 on 5 from the half board...

I don't get how some are even trying to debate this. For a player that starts every powerplay, he has 4 goals, including 2 THIS WEEK where he was NOT playing half board. He went back to his spot 24 hours later, and we sucked again.

I give you "cause and effect" and you call it an excuse lol.

Considering that everything that I have read from you points to a lack of understanding and/or refusal to understand what I am saying, I will not continue this conversation with you.

 

[Miller Time]

Patches - Galch - Sekac
Eller - Pleks - Gallagher

those 6 players should get a solid 10 games (and practice time that goes with it) as the primary PP players (with some tinkering in combinations to find the best chemistry), with DD/Parenteau (or Andreg/Thomas if they are in the lineup) getting fill-in minutes here and there as needed by in-game situations.

there is absolutely no reason NOT to try that, and a bottom-of-the-league PP + two offensively skilled players who have had next to no PP opportunity (Sekac/Eller) as the very strong reason TO try it.

not sure what it will take for MT to come around, sadly the impression i get is that he is so reluctant to do so because his ego is attached to the idea that he's right about Eller/Sekac not being the solution…