Confirmed with Link: Playfair, Effinger, O'Hearn extended multiple years

[The Feckless Puck]

You may hate DT, but his record speaks for itself.

I don't hate Dave Tippett. His record is impressive. But he still got fired from Dallas. That doesn't happen capriciously.

 

[TheLegend]

I don't hate Dave Tippett. His record is impressive. But he still got fired from Dallas. That doesn't happen capriciously.

And then there's Darryl Sutter who had a good record at Calgary, then eventually gets forced out as GM and goes to LA to win two Stanleys in three years.

 

[The Feckless Puck]

And then there's Darryl Sutter who had a good record at Calgary, then eventually gets forced out as GM and goes to LA to win two Stanleys in three years.

As soon as Dave Tippett does that with the Coyotes, I'll chew on some crow here to slake everyone's hunger for it.

I'm sure that the floating, disinterested style of play we've seen in the past two years is in no way, shape, or form any sort of reflection on Coach Tippett.

 

[Dirty Old Man]

I don't hate Dave Tippett. His record is impressive. But he still got fired from Dallas. That doesn't happen capriciously.

(Every time I see that word -which isn't often - I think of Kramer trying to persuade the dean to let him keep his intern for Kramerica Industries)

 

[MP]

So then Dave Tippett's philosophy is both the secret of his success and the reason why he gets fired, no? It must suck to be a coach in professional sports. Aside from the generous salary and celebrity status, I mean.

 

[Desert Ice 11]

And then there's Darryl Sutter who had a good record at Calgary, then eventually gets forced out as GM and goes to LA to win two Stanleys in three years.

Darryl Sutter..his press interviews are pretty good.

Tipp is fine..he is a good coach with a proven system. He wants to win and if the younger player needs to work on his game he feels that they should work on it somewhere that wont cost him games. The NHL is not for developing players..A player can improve in the NHL but they first have to be ready to play at that level.

 

[ClassLessCoyote]

If I'm not mistaken, plenty of coaches over the years that had great playoff success have been fired. Ron Wilson, Dan Blysma, Torts, Ken Hitchcock, Mike Keenan are just some of the many examples of a coach who have been canned before and all of these coaches I have named have gone farther in the NHL Playoffs than Tippett. Not all coaches are created equal as some are better fit for only certain stages of the team development.

Torts for example probably would have stayed in Vancouver if he had a more complete team work with but it looks like he isn't the guy in place to have for any kind of rebuild.

 

[XX]

The NHL is not for developing players..A player can improve in the NHL but they first have to be ready to play at that level.

That's not the problem with DT. His problem is that, once that player is 'ready' for the NHL, that doesn't earn him playing time. He believes that young player - a player with zero experience - must be 'better' for the team than the incumbent veteran, otherwise he doesn't play. DT absolutely does not believe in playing young guys for the sake of getting them experience.

At last check, very, very few players come into the league better than the guy they are trying to replace.

So young players end up stuck in a loop where they don't get any real meaningful icetime unless injuries force DT to play them. Then, to the shock of no one, that young player actually ends up playing better than the guy he replaced. His ass backward attitude towards young players and undying loyalty to certain favorites shows that he can't adapt. His 'system' has a limited shelf life because teams eventually build up tape on the system with Coyote personnel and then learn how to counter it.

He is replaceable, and I'm sure ownership will give it ample consideration if the Coyotes miss for a third year in a row. It's easier to change a coach than it is an entire roster.

 

[rt]

If the Coyotes play above their heads and still miss the playoffs, that's one thing. If they play the same melancholy, indifferent brand of hockey we saw the second half of last season, I say nobody in a suit should feel that they have any job security at all.

 

[XX]

New strength and conditioning guy, decent creds:

GLENDALE, ARIZONA – Arizona Coyotes General Manager Don Maloney announced today that the Coyotes have signed JP Major to a multi-year contract to serve as the team’s Strength & Conditioning Coach. As per club policy terms of the contract were not disclosed.

The 28-year-old Major joins the Coyotes from EXOS in Phoenix (formerly Athletes’ Performance) where for the past two years, he was a Performance Specialist and lead coach for NHL player off-season programs. Major was also the head coordinator for professional hockey development and programming for all AP facilities. In 2013, Major conducted the Coyotes training camp fitness testing and assisted with all data interpretation.

 

[Mosby]

I listened to the Playfair interview posted on the Coyotes' official site. He made an interesting point about the last two seasons, both playoff misses: both years had a compressed/condensed schedule in that one was a shortened season and the second was an Olympic year.

Is there a correlation between that and missing the playoffs? That extra time, whether it be days off or extra practice time, particularly for a systems team like ours, is crucial.

 

[XX]

Is there a correlation between that and missing the playoffs? That extra time, whether it be days off or extra practice time, particularly for a systems team like ours, is crucial.

I'd buy that if it wasn't a complete lack of effort on most nights. The spark of the WCF team is dead and gone. They need to find that again to have a prayer of playing respectable hockey with the roster as currently constructed. Another year of the same sans Ribeiro and Vrbata isn't going to be pretty.

 

[Fyreman]

I listened to the Playfair interview posted on the Coyotes' official site. He made an interesting point about the last two seasons, both playoff misses: both years had a compressed/condensed schedule in that one was a shortened season and the second was an Olympic year.

Is there a correlation between that and missing the playoffs? That extra time, whether it be days off or extra practice time, particularly for a systems team like ours, is crucial.

Meh, I don't put much stock in that. The whole league was in the same situation, sixteen teams made the playoffs and the 'Yotes didn't, we had our chances and we **** in our bed. If I look at anything, I'd point to Doan, Hanzal and Smith's missed games...

 

[hbk]

First I heard of it.

It's true. Treliving went off on Turris during a xm NHL interview and revealed that it was Turris who put the pressure on the franchise to turn pro.

 

[Jakey53]

I don't hate Dave Tippett. His record is impressive. But he still got fired from Dallas. That doesn't happen capriciously.

Coaches are hired to be fired. That's the business and it happens to most coaches.

 

[Jakey53]

I listened to the Playfair interview posted on the Coyotes' official site. He made an interesting point about the last two seasons, both playoff misses: both years had a compressed/condensed schedule in that one was a shortened season and the second was an Olympic year.

Is there a correlation between that and missing the playoffs? That extra time, whether it be days off or extra practice time, particularly for a systems team like ours, is crucial.

I have not listened to Playfairs interview, but I hate it when they make excuses. Every team goes thru the same thing, although the west does travel more. Why not just say we did not have enough talent and the talent we had threw the towel in, or at least most of them did.

 

[IPreferPi]

Yeah I don't buy the stuff Playfair is peddling at all. I was sympathetic to that argument after the lockout shortened season, but with how the team infuriatingly phoned it in after the Olympics...

Between comments like this and our PK dropping like hot garbage in the span of 3 years, I have to wonder if Playfair has any business coaching for us.

 

[Naych_PHX]

First I heard of it.

Well, what do you think happens when a player insists he quit college after one year.

 

[Bonsai Tree]

That's not the problem with DT. His problem is that, once that player is 'ready' for the NHL, that doesn't earn him playing time. He believes that young player - a player with zero experience - must be 'better' for the team than the incumbent veteran, otherwise he doesn't play. DT absolutely does not believe in playing young guys for the sake of getting them experience.

At last check, very, very few players come into the league better than the guy they are trying to replace.



He is replaceable, and I'm sure ownership will give it ample consideration if the Coyotes miss for a third year in a row. It's easier to change a coach than it is an entire roster.

I've heard this complaint before. I'm trying to think of great talent squished by Tippet. Turris? He turtled playing for this team. Tikhonov? He was a bit of sizzle and no steak.

Evidence against your evaluation of Tippet includes how he played OEL, and the kid defensemen last season.

 

[RemoAZ]

That's not the problem with DT. His problem is that, once that player is 'ready' for the NHL, that doesn't earn him playing time. He believes that young player - a player with zero experience - must be 'better' for the team than the incumbent veteran, otherwise he doesn't play. DT absolutely does not believe in playing young guys for the sake of getting them experience.

At last check, very, very few players come into the league better than the guy they are trying to replace.

So young players end up stuck in a loop where they don't get any real meaningful icetime unless injuries force DT to play them. Then, to the shock of no one, that young player actually ends up playing better than the guy he replaced. His ass backward attitude towards young players and undying loyalty to certain favorites shows that he can't adapt. His 'system' has a limited shelf life because teams eventually build up tape on the system with Coyote personnel and then learn how to counter it.

He is replaceable, and I'm sure ownership will give it ample consideration if the Coyotes miss for a third year in a row. It's easier to change a coach than it is an entire roster.

This is so true and the frustrating part is it's mostly the offensive first guys that get this treatment. The only way this team can be a consistent contender is to have some of that offensive talent on the ice growing with their teammates. Odds are there aren't going to be any rookies ready to step in and score 30 goals unless we land the #1 overall pick. They'll need consistent minutes to improve and gain the experience necessary to become top line players. Tippett needs to adapt to the modern NHL or Maloney needs to drag him there. Either that or they'll eventually needs to go. I just hope we don't lose our team while we're waiting for they needed change in philosophy.

 

[rt]

You may hate DT, but his record speaks for itself.

Let's talk about that Coyotes record. He's coached the team in 403 regular season and playoff games. The team has won 205 of them and lost the other 198. He's a +7 in five years as Coyotes head coach.

Given the circumstances, 205 and 198 is not something to sneeze at. Still, if the team loss more than they win next season, and that W-L ends up in the negative, while we miss the post-season for the third consecutive year, he will be justifiably right in the hot seat.

For me, if the team loses more than they win and miss the playoffs, I can live with it, provided they play with guts, pride, and effort. Now, if they lose more than they win, miss the playoffs and play with indifferent, listless, nonchalance, I'd give Maloney two choices:

1. Fire Dave Tippett
2. You both get one more year, and if you fail, you're all fired.

 

[The Feckless Puck]

Here's the brutal truth about coaching any sport, professional or otherwise. At some point, unless the locker room culture completely changes, the players will stop listening to the coach. It's a matter of familiarity breeding contempt more than anything. But you can only say things so many times before they lose efficacy.

Dave Tippett's system was a big turnaround from Gretzky's in that it was defensively-oriented, strictly regimented, and put the onus on role-playing. It was a sea change in the way the team played and with the personnel we had it meshed really well. Got us to the WCF.

What has happened since then has looked to me (a biased observer because I'm just a fan) like the room might have lost their enthusiasm for the system a bit. It would explain the absence of compete level beyond just putting all the blame on Ribeiro; Doan's absence also hurt because he's a galvanizing influence in the room and on the ice.

It would be stupid to say that Tippett is not a good coach, because he is in his own way, and his record is hard to sneeze at without looking dumb. But he, like any other good coach, could eventually lose the initiative with the players.

I'm hoping I'm wrong; but given how much Maloney talked about culture change in the room I think he might have shared my worry. Adding Gagner, Crombeen, and Vitale was an injection of veteran character that was lacking, so maybe that will help rejuvenate the room a bit.

We'll see once the season starts.

 

[Jakey53]

Let's talk about that Coyotes record. He's coached the team in 403 regular season and playoff games. The team has won 205 of them and lost the other 198. He's a +7 in five years as Coyotes head coach.

Given the circumstances, 205 and 198 is not something to sneeze at. Still, if the team loss more than they win next season, and that W-L ends up in the negative, while we miss the post-season for the third consecutive year, he will be justifiably right in the hot seat.

For me, if the team loses more than they win and miss the playoffs, I can live with it, provided they play with guts, pride, and effort. Now, if they lose more than they win, miss the playoffs and play with indifferent, listless, nonchalance, I'd give Maloney two choices:

1. Fire Dave Tippett
2. You both get one more year, and if you fail, you're all fired.

I think the evaluation of DM and DT has to start last year. The years before that were pretty tough circumstances. For me, they both have one strike against them, but this coming year will probably be the first year they both have been under the microscope from management and most fans. We will see what they are made of.

 

[Jakey53]

Here's the brutal truth about coaching any sport, professional or otherwise. At some point, unless the locker room culture completely changes, the players will stop listening to the coach. It's a matter of familiarity breeding contempt more than anything. But you can only say things so many times before they lose efficacy.

Dave Tippett's system was a big turnaround from Gretzky's in that it was defensively-oriented, strictly regimented, and put the onus on role-playing. It was a sea change in the way the team played and with the personnel we had it meshed really well. Got us to the WCF.

What has happened since then has looked to me (a biased observer because I'm just a fan) like the room might have lost their enthusiasm for the system a bit. It would explain the absence of compete level beyond just putting all the blame on Ribeiro; Doan's absence also hurt because he's a galvanizing influence in the room and on the ice.

It would be stupid to say that Tippett is not a good coach, because he is in his own way, and his record is hard to sneeze at without looking dumb. But he, like any other good coach, could eventually lose the initiative with the players.

I'm hoping I'm wrong; but given how much Maloney talked about culture change in the room I think he might have shared my worry. Adding Gagner, Crombeen, and Vitale was an injection of veteran character that was lacking, so maybe that will help rejuvenate the room a bit.

We'll see once the season starts.

This is so true. Players get tired and lose focus hearing the same voice over and over. That is why I thought we would have seen a bigger movement of players, but the season has not started yet, so we have to wait and see.