Player evaluation after 10 games

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  1. Harpo

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    Based on expectations, which grade would you give to each player after 10 games?

    Here's mine:

    Forwards:

    MICHAEL BOURNIVAL 9/10
    LARS ELLER 8/10
    BRENDAN GALLAGHER 8/10
    TOMAS PLEKANEC 8/10
    ALEX GALCHENYUK 8/10
    BRANDON PRUST 8/10
    TRAVIS MOEN 7/10
    MAX PACIORETTY 7/10
    RYAN WHITE 7/10
    RENE BOURQUE 7/10
    BRIAN GIONTA 6/10
    DAVID DESHARNAIS 5/10
    DANIEL BRIERE 4/10

    Defensemen:

    P.K. SUBBAN 9/10
    ANDREI MARKOV 8/10
    FRANCIS BOUILLON 6/10
    RAPHAEL DIAZ 6/10
    JOSH GORGES 6/10
    JARED TINORDI 6/10
    NATHAN BEAULIEU 5/10

    Goalies:

    CAREY PRICE 9/10
    PETER BUDAJ 9/10

    Remember, this is based on expectations. I'm not saying Bournival has been our best player.
     
  2. mustardnight*

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    Bournival has not been our best player, Carey Price has been.

    If he's good, we win. If he is even slightly off, we don't.

    He's got what, a .940 save % right now? Ridiculous.

    Gallagher has been great, Eller has been great, Galchenyuk is amazing, even though I think he can do more!

    It's an exciting time to be a habs fan. I'm happy Bournival has taken advantage of his opportunity but I wouldn't call him the best performer thus far.

    Subban has been brilliant as well.
     
  3. ottawa

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    You messed up...DD should be a 1/10. Briere should be a 2/10.
     
  4. BakerNator

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    Based on expectations Briere is a 10/10.

    I did not expect anything from him and he has delivered.
     
  5. HabsRockBruinsChoke

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    Guys, we hired Briere for the playoffs. He goes into "beastiality mode" during the post season so give him some time.

    As far as DD, hes the only option we have for our third line center. We are not demoting Eller or Galch to center a different line..

    Even if were to buyout DD after this year, his cap would be a part contribution to Subban's raise, so think of him as a "bonus player" that we have right now (since Subban's cap is a steal)
     
  6. rockjngo

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    Key word evaluation, not expectation


    Forwards: Out of 10

    MICHAEL BOURNIVAL 7.5
    LARS ELLER 8.5
    BRENDAN GALLAGHER 7.5
    TOMAS PLEKANEC 8
    ALEX GALCHENYUK 7.5
    BRANDON PRUST 7
    TRAVIS MOEN 5.5
    MAX PACIORETTY 7
    RYAN WHITE 6
    RENE BOURQUE 7.5
    BRIAN GIONTA 7
    DAVID DESHARNAIS 0.5
    DANIEL BRIERE 5

    Defensemen:

    P.K. SUBBAN 8.5
    ANDREI MARKOV 8.5
    FRANCIS BOUILLON 3.5
    RAPHAEL DIAZ 5.5
    JOSH GORGES 7
    JARED TINORDI 6.5
    NATHAN BEAULIEU 5.5

    Goalies:

    CAREY PRICE 9.5
    PETER BUDAJ 7.5
     
  7. BaseballCoach

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    Wow, confirmation bias at work.

    What possible expectations could you have had for Brian Gionta that his excellent two-way play would warrant a 6/10, third worst among forwards???
     
  8. De Montreal

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    What else more are you expecting from Subban? :laugh:
     
  9. theboss*

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    Desharnais -10/10
     
  10. Le Tricolore

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    I don't think you mean "beastiality"

    At least I hope you don't.
     
  11. BJCOLLINS

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    as a fan my evaluation comes with some expectation


    Forwards: Out of 10

    MICHAEL BOURNIVAL 7.5 ----nice surprise
    LARS ELLER 8 ----steady improvment
    BRENDAN GALLAGHER 7.5 ---works sooo hard for a little guy
    TOMAS PLEKANEC 7 -----starting to find his pace
    ALEX GALCHENYUK 7.5 ---- has elite skill set at 19
    BRANDON PRUST 7 --- 3 more please
    TRAVIS MOEN 5.5 --- I keep waiting for more
    MAX PACIORETTY 7 --- needs a centre
    RYAN WHITE 6 --- works hard, he has limited skill
    RENE BOURQUE 7 --- see Moen, although he is playing with DD
    BRIAN GIONTA 7 --- brings what I expect
    DAVID DESHARNAIS----- waiting for him to show up
    DANIEL BRIERE -------see above

    Defensemen:

    P.K. SUBBAN 8.5 --- Norris
    ANDREI MARKOV 8.5 --- WOW, on one knee
    FRANCIS BOUILLON 4.5 --- love the Cube but compete level is passing him
    RAPHAEL DIAZ 6 --- trade bait if our depth can step up
    JOSH GORGES 7 --- see Gionta
    JARED TINORDI 6 --- big D men take time will be good
    NATHAN BEAULIEU 6 --- looks explosive at times

    Goalies:

    CAREY PRICE 9 --- needs D to be stronger in front of him
    PETER BUDAJ 8 --- good back-up
     
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    Is beastiality mode reserved for when we play a team like the Penguins or Bruins?
     
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    the Leafs are a strange animal.... I enjoy watching the Habs give it to them, LOL

    & we just had Duck last night
     
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    I'd say PK has been our best player.
     
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    Subban and Price have been as good as you could ask. Bournival has been impressive and the EGG line has been very consistent.
    PK is excellent. So far he and Price have led the way. Who's been better? Well, would you prefer filet or ribeye?
     
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    :amazed::help::amazed:
     
  17. Binary Code

    Binary Code How do I change that

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    IMO DD has improved a lot since last year, he just can't bury sh**
     
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    My list is based on reasonable expectations for each player. If they've exceeded them I'll give them a 8 to 10, 7 being average, anything below being various levels of dissatisfaction.

    Forwards:

    MICHAEL BOURNIVAL 10/10
    LARS ELLER 8/10 (Would've been 10 if he kept it up)
    BRENDAN GALLAGHER 8/10
    TOMAS PLEKANEC 8/10
    ALEX GALCHENYUK 9/10 (Playing better than points suggest imo)
    BRANDON PRUST 8/10
    TRAVIS MOEN 7.5/10 (Expectations were quite low)
    MAX PACIORETTY 7/10
    RYAN WHITE 7/10
    RENE BOURQUE 7/10
    BRIAN GIONTA 7/10
    DAVID DESHARNAIS 2/10 (He's awful, can't win a puck battle for his life and has been borderline useless offensively)
    DANIEL BRIERE 5/10 (I actually liked parts of his game before he got injured, but he had the unfortunate reality of being played with Desharnais a lot and also being on a new team. Before I give him a 2-3 I'll need to see him play more. Behind the net I found his presence was actually much needed but he didn't get anything going yet)

    Defensemen:

    P.K. SUBBAN 9/10 (Expected him to produce every game and rarely be a liability, the last few games it seems like he has the flu. Expectations for this kid are super high though)
    ANDREI MARKOV 9/10 (Expected him to be a bigger liability, but he's been much better on the defensive end this year, playing huge #1 minutes too)
    FRANCIS BOUILLON 7/10 (He's old the decline was expected)
    RAPHAEL DIAZ 7/10 (Had low expectations and he's meeting them)
    JOSH GORGES 5/10 (What happened to this guy? He's become a liability at times)
    JARED TINORDI 6/10 (Expected better, he had a better preseason than season by far, wasn't hitting much at all in the season and wasn't great defensively)
    NATHAN BEAULIEU 7.5/10 (Yesterday he showed what he can do, and since I expected there to be growing pains defensively, he meets expectations and even slightly exceeds them by producing yesterday, 10 more games and we'll see where he lands)

    Goalies:

    CAREY PRICE 10/10 (Expectations were he'd be good, but he's been great. He's been keeping us in games we often don't deserve to be in. His record isn't representative of how he's played, he should be more like 7-2~ the way he's played)
    PETER BUDAJ 7/10 (Has been good for a backup, which meets expectations for me)
     
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    What are we grading?

    Overall contribution (A=Essential, B=Important, C=Average, D=Light/situational, E=insignificant). That's a similar exercice to EA sport rating. Examples :

    A
    Subban
    Price

    B
    Plekanec
    Markov
    Eller

    C
    Bourque
    Gionta

    D
    White

    E
    Tinordi

    Overall contribution vs expectation/talent level/role (A=Eagle, B=Birdie, C=Par, D=Bogey, E=David Desharnais). This is more fair to different kinds of players but highly subjective. Examples :


    Eagle
    Bournival

    Birdie
    Subban

    Par
    Gionta

    Bogey
    Gorges

    David Desharnais
    David Desharnais
     
  20. Habs 4 Life

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    I'm really happy Plekanec has picked up his play after a bad start. There isn't many players besides Desharnais that I'm upset by
     
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    I'd say Beaulieu has done very well for a 20 year old rookie d-man, there have been some gaffes in his own end. Most notably the one which resulted in a 2 on 1 yesterday but it was to be expected. You can see that sometimes he's out of position in his own end but he hasn't looked bad defensively. Even sometimes you can see him making up for some mistakes that Bouillon has done, like yesterday when Bouillon deflected a puck in our own zone and Beaulieu used his speed to cut off Cogliano and regain posession. I think this guy will be a solid #2 for us, if he keeps developping at this pace we're going to have one very good d-man in our hands. His first pass to break out of the zone is simply amazing.
     
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    If we make it all the way, I hope we meet the Sharks in the SC finals!

    Go Danny Go!

    (now I have this image in my head for the rest of the day)
     
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    Totally agree!! dead on!
     
  24. Tomas Tatahhh

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    Forwards:

    MICHAEL BOURNIVAL 9/10
    LARS ELLER 8/10
    BRENDAN GALLAGHER 7.5/10
    TOMAS PLEKANEC 7.5/10
    ALEX GALCHENYUK 7/10
    BRANDON PRUST 8/10
    TRAVIS MOEN 7.5/10
    MAX PACIORETTY 7/10
    RYAN WHITE 6/10
    RENE BOURQUE 7/10
    BRIAN GIONTA 6.5/10
    DAVID DESHARNAIS 6.5/10
    DANIEL BRIERE 4/10

    Defensemen:

    P.K. SUBBAN 9/10
    ANDREI MARKOV 9/10
    FRANCIS BOUILLON 6.5/10
    RAPHAEL DIAZ 6.5/10
    JOSH GORGES 7/10
    JARED TINORDI 5/10
    NATHAN BEAULIEU 6/10

    Goalies:

    CAREY PRICE 9.5/10
    PETER BUDAJ 9/10

    - Eller started off strong but has cooled off in the last couple days. He's not involved in the play as much as he was in the first 5 games but that's partly due to facing tougher competition.
    - Desharnais would have been a 5 if he didn't start playing better ever since being part of a line with Moen/Prust and Bourque. I like how he's playing and he can be a solid asset to have to play against teams that are not overly physical (Carolina, Buffalo, Winnipeg, etc.)
    - Plekanec gets a 7.5, he played his best game both offensively and defensively last night and I hope that means he's gonna get going because despite a fair amount of points after 10 games (9 pts) he hasn't been himself in the defensive aspect of things.
    - Prust and Moen get good grades for being solid soldiers that we can count on to defend teammates or for defensive missions. Moen is playing like the Moen of 10-12 instead of the Moen of last year.
    - Subban hasn't been at his best in the last week but due to his crazy stretch starting from the Calgary game I have no choice giving him a 9.
    - Markov has been solid aside from the first game of the year. He's playing better than he was last year when he was paired with Emelin. Just a solid cerebral game. Seems to have adapted his game to his current speed unlike last year where he kept being overaggressive with the pinches.
    - Diaz has had 4 good games and 6 bad ones, the less he faces physical forwards the better.
    - Galchenyk showed his vision and his dirty hands in the first 5 games but right now he's in a bad stretch where he has to simplify his game. He can't just dangle his way through the opposing team 24/7.
    - Price has been solid every game except for the Toronto one and the Edmonton game. Our record wouldn't be as good if it wasn't for him.
    - Tinordi disappointed me with his positioning after a solid showing in pre-season. Beaulieu has been playing better every game, let's give him a shot until Murray/Emelin come back.
    - Bournival, was never a big believer of him but he's impressing me with his hustle and his vision of the game. Solid bottom 6 player we have for the future.
     
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    Fenwick not relied on at all. I wonder why.
     

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