Salary Cap: Pittsburgh Penguins Salary Cap Thread - Post TDL World!

[Gurglesons]

Crosby's favorite player, who takes the same defensive nature in his later years to go after cups and not points.... Yzerman, also started getting nagging injuries to his knees. The Pens core (16/17) wasn't far off... Both teams kept the teams together for the runs, and Yzerman got to enjoy a 3rd cup with said knee issues. Take a look at 2001/02.

Yzerman was easily a top five player, and I don't get why that even slights, Crosby?

A guy he has said he tries to mirror.

Yzerman was easily a top five player in 2002 or all time?

 

[Big Friggin Dummy]

We are probable going to lose a few fans as well!!! lol

But personally, I don't think it will be as bad as 20 years ago, now a days with a competent GM and 2-3 good off seasons you can build something quite fasr, look at the Rags for example

They lucked into Panarin and Trouba because they happen to play in NYC, they landed two top-2 picks back to back, and happened upon a Norris-caliber blueliner in Fox out of college.

Not going to draw any big names to Pittsburgh because of the locale, and the rest is just a crapshoot. If we happen to follow suit, awesome, but that's not exactly a situation you point to as a thing you can emulate.

 

[Gurglesons]

They lucked into Panarin and Trouba because they happen to play in NYC, they landed two top-2 picks back to back, and happened upon a Norris-caliber blueliner in Fox out of college.

Not going to draw any big names to Pittsburgh because of the locale, and the rest is just a crapshoot. If we happen to follow suit, awesome, but that's not exactly a situation you point to as a thing you can emulate.

By Trouba you mean Fox right Because Trouba has been hideous for them.

 

[Khelandros]

For sure. There is just no way in today's league that a team could get to be as horrifically bad as the X Generation Penguins. Like I'm not even worried about the jinxy nature of that statement... it simply isn't possible. Those teams were so, so, so very bad and because of their building/lease combined with an uncapped league had zero chance of doing diddly shit.

You can still be hopelessly mediocre in today's league (in many ways worse than horrifically bad) but nothing like the 03/04 Penguins...

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[Ugene Magic]

Yzerman was easily a top five player in 2002 or all time?

Do I really have to answer that?

C'mon...

 

[Big Friggin Dummy]

The Sabres and Wings would wipe the floor with the GenX Penguins. Not even a question about it, imo.

 

[BlindWillyMcHurt]

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Hahaha... uh... well... I mean... I guess at least those guys aren't playing the likes Rico Fata on their first line and having Steve McKenna wear a C.

Yeah they're pretty awful, though.

 

[Gurglesons]

Do I really have to answer that?

C'mon...

I'm not sure. Do you think Yzerman is a top five player of all time?

 

[Dipsy Doodle]

Sid has already done this from like 2009 onward. The reason we won in 2009 was because Sid was facilitating that role which allowed Malkin to go buck wild.

Brodeur is a Fraud: The Wrong Numbers, Part 2. My favorite article to bring up when people disparage Crosby's run in 2009 as complimentary on the mainboard.

Yzerman could be a good defensive player prior to his twilight years too. But as good as Crosby is, he can certainly improve and become more consistent defensively. Joining the PK could be part of that.

 

[Andy99]

Pretty good for a couple new pick ups....

 

[HandshakeLine]

I think Malkin will be fine going into the playoffs, but this organization being so f***ing opaque about injuries leaves all sorts of room for worrying. That's just simple human nature.

I eagerly await whoever it was that said we fans have no right to know about injuries to blow up my inbox again. Much love, x's and o's.

 

[Gurglesons]

Yzerman could be a good defensive player prior to his twilight years too. But as good as Crosby is, he can certainly improve and become more consistent defensively. Joining the PK could be part of that.

Sid doesn't choose how his team uses him.

Yzerman was basically viewed as Phil Kessel / Ovechkin prior to 95-96 so I'm not sure what you are talking about.

If a coach like Bowman came in and told Crosby to f*** off and be a defensive specialist, you don't think he wins a Selke simply based on name value?

 

[Dipsy Doodle]

Sid doesn't choose how his team uses him.

Yzerman was basically viewed as Phil Kessel / Ovechkin prior to 95-96 so I'm not sure what you are talking about.

If a coach like Bowman came in and told Crosby to f*** off and be a defensive specialist, you don't think he wins a Selke simply based on name value?

That's not the case at all. This thread on the HoH board is illuminating:

Yzerman as a two-way player

Trotter, a center who knows a thing or two about two-way play, disagrees with you.

 

[Le Magnifique 66]

They lucked into Panarin and Trouba because they happen to play in NYC, they landed two top-2 picks back to back, and happened upon a Norris-caliber blueliner in Fox out of college.

Not going to draw any big names to Pittsburgh because of the locale, and the rest is just a crapshoot. If we happen to follow suit, awesome, but that's not exactly a situation you point to as a thing you can emulate.

Pittsburgh is not NY, but it will still be a lo more attractive than probably half of the league

 

[Gurglesons]

That's not the case at all. This thread on the HoH board is illuminating:

Yzerman as a two-way player

Trotter, a center who knows a thing or two about two-way play, disagrees with you.

I'm not talking about what the player actually was. I'm talking about the narrative that led to his Selke.

This thread actually makes the same argument I am. If Crosby was used defensively, he'd probably get a Selke simply based on the narrative versus what he deserves.

Much like Kessel and Ovechkin. Yzerman was never the reason those early Wings teams before the back to back lost.

 

[Dipsy Doodle]

I'm not talking about what the player actually was. I'm talking about the narrative that led to his Selke.

This thread actually makes the same argument I am. If Crosby was used defensively, he'd probably get a Selke simply based on the narrative versus what he deserves.

Much like Kessel and Ovechkin. Yzerman was never the reason those early Wings teams before the back to back lost.

I think it's possible both that Yzerman was a good defensive player throughout his career, and that more of a focus on defense in his later career when his offense wasn't as overwhelming made him a more effective player as he aged.

Any defensive comparison between Yzerman and Kessel/Ovechkin irks me on a cellular level though haha.

 

[Big Friggin Dummy]

Pittsburgh is not NY, but it will still be a lo more attractive than probably half of the league

How do you figure? In a few years, we'll be well into the downturn and still won't have a ton of cap if/when we decide to keep the big three around on legacy retirement contracts. Pittsburgh, as nice a place as it is, isn't a spot many multimillionaire sports athletes choose to go to when given options on the open market.

 

[Peat]

I sure hope so. That definitely seems to be the bet everyone is hedging...

Love what I saw from Kap in a small sample size but I dunno. That line needs a superb LW that it will never see and likely most of you don't even think is necessary. But it does.

Depends what Kapanen is (and I guess McCann too). I doubt there will be a superb LW (like, Forsberg or above, right?) if they go great due to cap/asset value pressures. If there's an obvious hole I think maybe they look.

That's the Sid after the teams stripped down, but good enough on the first line to make his last years comfortable. They certainly can empty the tank this year and next, but to expect it unless some radical moves that help now and later, those last couple years or more won't be about cups.

Maybe that's the future, but I don't think he'll be comfortable with it.

 

[Gurglesons]

I think it's possible both that Yzerman was a good defensive player throughout his career, and that more of a focus on defense in his later career when his offense wasn't as overwhelming made him a more effective player as he aged.

Any defensive comparison between Yzerman and Kessel/Ovechkin irks me on a cellular level though haha.

I'm just saying the consensual view of hockey media about Kessel and Ovechkin not being "winners".

This was present around Yzerman until of course he won.

 

[Sidney the Kidney]

As long as Uncle Gary is around, the Pens won't have to suffer too long. 1st overall in 2023 comin' right up.

Best Penguin ever: Lemieux, Crosby, or Bedard?!

 

[SomeDude]

Best Penguin ever: Lemieux, Crosby, or Bedard?!

Zucker

 

[HandshakeLine]

Zucker

That's sure a weird way to spell Jiří Hrdina.

 

[SomeDude]

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Both of those rosters would destroy the 03-04 Pens. Look at that roster. You had rookie Ryan Malone, rookie Brooks Orpik, Matt Bradley (!), the enigma wrapped in a riddle of Morozov, 20 games of Martin Straka, and 15 of Scud's first NHL games as players who would be legitimate NHL players. That's it. The rest were has-beens, never-weres, and never-going-to-bes.

 

[Big Friggin Dummy]

Both of those rosters would destroy the 03-04 Pens. Look at that roster. You had rookie Ryan Malone, rookie Brooks Orpik, Matt Bradley (!), the enigma wrapped in a riddle of Morozov, 20 games of Martin Straka, and 15 of Scud's first NHL games as players who would be legitimate NHL players. That's it. The rest were has-beens, never-weres, and never-going-to-bes.

You better put some respect on Surovy's name, son. He had the best wrister in the NHL, and when he learned to get in position to utilize it, then the league was in trouble.

 

[SomeDude]

You better put some respect on Surovy's name, son. He had the best wrister in the NHL, and when he learned to get in position to utilize it, then the league was in trouble.

He was blackballed to save Gretzky's records. Had I included him, I would have been disappeared. You've put us all in danger.