Prospect Info: Pittsburgh Penguins Prospects Thread: 2023-2024 Edition

[SEALBound]

Just an fyi, but the Jake trade was exactly the type of trade I have been begging for since 19. You get a solid nhl player and 3 prospects for 1 player, do this several times and your prospects are suddenly stocked.

Indeed. At worst, you're looking at a triple that batted in two runs. The home run will be if Carolina makes the SCF and they get the 1st.

There are a couple of ways to do the trade, you just have to figure out which is best. You can do the quantity move like this one, which I think is working out well or you can try for a single blue-chip. Given that our need was basically Bunting, a 3C, and a young wing, I love the move. Lucius and the 1st/2nd is a lottery ticket. That said, there are some interesting names out there on the lists in the late 20's/early 30's that could certainly add to our pool like Terik Parascak and Lucas Pettersson.

If they are out of it at the TDL this year, I think you do the exact same thing with Marcus Pettersson. I imagine by then, if another off-season of retooling doesn't get you closer, you waive the white flag and commit more heavily to the rebuild.

 

[The Old Master]

Indeed. At worst, you're looking at a triple that batted in two runs. The home run will be if Carolina makes the SCF and they get the 1st.

i hate to even try to guess who we might pick that low, just too many variables. but, i'm wondering how far we might be able to move up. seems we would need to get a fairly high pick to make it worth it. or maybe just move it to next year when the draft should be deeper?

 

[chethejet]

Jake doesn't do zip here. Dubas knew that. He sees the issues and needs talent in the system. He will move Smith and get bigger stronger younger and faster. It will not happen overnight. But lottery luck to get a top 10 picks with maybe a second for Smith plus Carolinas pick is a start to keep adding prospects. Plus I think the change in WB staffing is really about that. Developing them vs training them to play Sullivans system. I also think it portends to the Pens coaches. Dubas knows Sullivan just allowed a bad PP to cost them a playoff spot.

 

[SEALBound]

i hate to even try to guess who we might pick that low, just too many variables. but, i'm wondering how far we might be able to move up. seems we would need to get a fairly high pick to make it worth it. or maybe just move it to next year when the draft should be deeper?

With the weakerish draft, I wonder about Dubas trading down. Something like 31 for a 2nd + 3rd. Or hell, using it in a trade to land an established young talent. Like maybe the Canes would take it back for Drury.

 

[Kasperi kapanen]

Anybody know the highest pick we can move up too if we win the lottery? It can’t be 1st overall right?

 

[66-30-33]

Anybody know the highest pick we can move up too if we win the lottery? It can’t be 1st overall right?

4th OA because we finished 14th OA. When do they do the lottery picked team? pretty soon I think?

 

[Andy99]

4th OA because we finished 14th OA. When do they do the lottery picked team? pretty soon I think?

May 7

 

[SEALBound]

4th OA because we finished 14th OA. When do they do the lottery picked team? pretty soon I think?

 

[Jacob]

Come on Gary.

 

[Jacob]

If Yager becomes AHL-eligible and if he spends the full year in the AHL, does he lose a year off his ELC? I don’t think he does.

 

[Rudy Russo]

Jake doesn't do zip here. Dubas knew that. He sees the issues and needs talent in the system. He will move Smith and get bigger stronger younger and faster. It will not happen overnight. But lottery luck to get a top 10 picks with maybe a second for Smith plus Carolinas pick is a start to keep adding prospects. Plus I think the change in WB staffing is really about that. Developing them vs training them to play Sullivans system. I also think it portends to the Pens coaches. Dubas knows Sullivan just allowed a bad PP to cost them a playoff spot.

And the Penguins blowing third period leads didn’t help their chances of a playoff spot.

 

[SomeDude]

If Yager becomes AHL-eligible and if he spends the full year in the AHL, does he lose a year off his ELC? I don’t think he does.

“If a player is 19 years old on Sept. 15 of their signing year but turns 20 between Sept. 16 and Dec. 31, the contract does not slide”

Yager’s birthday is Jan 3rd, so by the skin of his teeth it looks like his ELC would slide if he plays less than 10 NHL games next year.

Also, he was born the year Sid was drafted. I’m old. Sid is old. The end is near.

 

[Jacob]

“If a player is 19 years old on Sept. 15 of their signing year but turns 20 between Sept. 16 and Dec. 31, the contract does not slide”

Yager’s birthday is Jan 3rd, so by the skin of his teeth it looks like his ELC would slide if he plays less than 10 NHL games next year.

Also, he was born the year Sid was drafted. I’m old. Sid is old. The end is near.

We need to pull whatever strings we have to get him to the AHL. I don’t think he's NHL ready yet but that’s the best path for his development I think.

 

[TheGoldenJet]

Dubas knew that. He sees the issues and needs talent in the system. He will move Smith and get bigger stronger younger and faster.

I sure hope so. It would mean Dubas has admitted to a mistake, which he historically absolutely hates to do.

Personally I don’t think he can get a deal done to get Smith out, since there won’t be any takers for a declining slowish winger in his mid-30s.

 

[chethejet]

Dubas came in with a mindset of adding vets for a run. Jarry is not a plug here and his contract is in line with goalies of his caliber. Now Graves hopefully back and plays up to prior level of play. Really Smith was a nice add on paper but now he has to be traded. Younger prospects come in, Acciari can be an effective 4rh line RW, But man would I love to add a Stephenson to the left side and get a RW with size and grit for 3rd line.
Stephenson Sid Rust
Bunting Geno Rakell
DOC Eller ?
Gruden Poulin Acciari

 

[SEALBound]

Dubas came in with a mindset of adding vets for a run. Jarry is not a plug here and his contract is in line with goalies of his caliber. Now Graves hopefully back and plays up to prior level of play. Really Smith was a nice add on paper but now he has to be traded. Younger prospects come in, Acciari can be an effective 4rh line RW, But man would I love to add a Stephenson to the left side and get a RW with size and grit for 3rd line.
Stephenson Sid Rust
Bunting Geno Rakell
DOC Eller ?
Gruden Poulin Acciari

Stephenson would be such a great add for us. I think it's unrealistic but in a vacuum, he'd be great. He's a 5v5 workhorse and I think you have built the correct lines to start. The added benefit is, if they really wanted to do it, you could move Malkin to wing and put Steph at 2C.

DOC-Sid-Rust
Bunting-Stephenson-Malkin
Rakell-Eller-Puustinen
Poulin-Acciari-Puljujarvi

or

Rakell-Sid-Rust
Bunt-Steph-Geno
DOC-Eller-Puustinen
Poulin-Acciari-Puljujarvi

With Malkin slowing down, I don't think bringing in a 2C/1-2W is the worst idea to give us that flexibility.

 

[Rudy Russo]

Someone is getting signed soon.
Penguins 2023 first-round pick Brayden Yager scored twice in the Moose Jaw Warriors' 5-4 overtime loss to the Saskatoon Blades in Game 4 of the Eastern Conference Final in the WHL playoffs.

 

[Big Friggin Dummy]

I hope Yager just absolutely blows the coaching staff away in camp/pre-season. It'd be nice to have a specialist with a tremendous shot on the roster again.

Doubt there'll be any legitimate competition for spots though. Team will load up any potential holes in the forward group with vets and that'll be that.

 

[HandshakeLine]

I hope Yager just absolutely blows the coaching staff away in camp/pre-season. It'd be nice to have a specialist with a tremendous shot on the roster again.

Doubt there'll be any legitimate competition for spots though. Team will load up any potential holes in the forward group with vets and that'll be that.

Clearly what the oldest team in the league needs is more veteran leadership.

 

[SEALBound]

I hope Yager just absolutely blows the coaching staff away in camp/pre-season. It'd be nice to have a specialist with a tremendous shot on the roster again.

Doubt there'll be any legitimate competition for spots though. Team will load up any potential holes in the forward group with vets and that'll be that.

I can't remember the last time we had a prospect with the shot Yager has. I think Sprong was the last one where the shot was a notable high-point of their game.

The third line should be built with Yager in mind (at least his first couple of years). Adding a playmaking center and a gritty LW while sticking him at RW could really bolster bottom 6 scoring.

Grundstrom-Wennberg-Yager would be an example of a semi-reasonable third line we could get. Trade Smith to LA, sign Wennberg, promote Yager.

 

[The Old Master]

I can't remember the last time we had a prospect with the shot Yager has. I think Sprong was the last one where the shot was a notable high-point of their game.

The third line should be built with Yager in mind (at least his first couple of years). Adding a playmaking center and a gritty LW while sticking him at RW could really bolster bottom 6 scoring.

Grundstrom-Wennberg-Yager would be an example of a semi-reasonable third line we could get. Trade Smith to LA, sign Wennberg, promote Yager.

playing yager at wing after all the work he put in to play center would be so sully. just keep him at center. or at least till he proves otherwise.

 

[Jacob]

I don't think Yager is NHL ready and not even from a size / strength standpoint. Good prospect, just not there yet.

 

[SEALBound]

playing yager at wing after all the work he put in to play center would be so sully. just keep him at center. or at least till he proves otherwise.

I think he should be at wing to start. I don't want him to lose that shoot first offensive mindset in favor of "defense only" that our bottom 6 centers are typically pigeonholed into.

He can start at wing, develop the offense, and then migrate to center. Spot duty for injuries or a couple shift here and there to start. I don't think it hurt any long-term development.

 

[chethejet]

Dubas had to be sold on Yagar as the pick. He said he was not as familiar with him at the meetings. But a RH center with that shot is going to be a nice add at some point. Iam kinda hoping they get into the top 10 draft this year and pick the RD Yakimchuk or the center from Finland.

 

[Don'tcry4mejanhrdina]

I can't remember the last time we had a prospect with the shot Yager has. I think Sprong was the last one where the shot was a notable high-point of their game.

The third line should be built with Yager in mind (at least his first couple of years). Adding a playmaking center and a gritty LW while sticking him at RW could really bolster bottom 6 scoring.

Grundstrom-Wennberg-Yager would be an example of a semi-reasonable third line we could get. Trade Smith to LA, sign Wennberg, promote Yager.

Wasn't exactly a prospect and not a Pens pick but there was McCann. Whoops.