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[vikingGoalie]

listening to Johnston's presser after the first day.. I'm more and more liking this hire. Johnston comes across as a guy with a plan, and seems a lot more hockey saavy then his predecessor. Also reinforces just how arrogant Dan was in my head.

I'm looking forward to this season much more-so then last. I dunno if the results will be any better or not. But at least we aren't hitting our head on a brick wall anymore.

 

[Mr Jiggyfly]

Dumoulin just didn't look ready to me last year. He seemed to be a step behind the play more often than not. Maybe that's something that changes over time and experience for him, but with a healthy roster, even dumping Scuds, Dumoulin doesn't get a spot on the roster. Not only that, there are two other guys who should probably get a shot over him in Pouliot and Harrington over the next couple years.

Dumoulin is vastly underrated around here. He had an injury in camp and never looked right until late in the season IMHO.

I think he has been one of the Baby Pens best player in the playoffs the last two years, most especially this year. I think he is right on the same tier as a guy like Harrington, but being the third piece in that Staal deal, I guess people tend to make him an after thought (especially when I see him as a throw in in stupid deals).

 

[thecore]

Dumoulin doesn't have as high a ceiling as guys like Despes, Harrington or Pouliot, but he should be a solid 4/5 type guy because he has size and can skate. I think he will develop into a poor man's Paul Martin, with better size.

I think he can top out as a very good #4 with a more dynamic partner, like Erhoff or Pouliot.

 

[Darth Vitale]

unfortunately it probably says more about the offensive skill of our other prospects. Plus he's used to playing against Men.

YYYep. Not saying he's not talented, more like the level of offensive talent in our prospect pool prior to him was pretty bad by all accounts. Lot of "has this one good trait... might be a good third liner one day" types.

I wish Matia Marcantuoni develops any kind of skill because his speed is just disturbing. Fastest guy in our system although he lacks in the scoring department and has been often injured..par the norm for our offensive guys I suppose.

See above. However,

Ding dong the stretch pass is dead.

 

[Mr Jiggyfly]

Dumoulin doesn't have as high a ceiling as guys like Despes, Harrington or Pouliot, but he should be a solid 4/5 type guy because he has size and can skate. I think he will develop into a poor man's Paul Martin, with better size.

I think he can top out as a very good #4 with a more dynamic partner, like Erhoff or Pouliot.

I think Harrington has a higher hockey IQ, but Dumoulin is the more gifted player and has better size.

I think Harrington is a perfect compliment to Letang's risky game, so I project him as a top pairing guy on the Pens. However, he is more of a #4 like I see Dumoulin.

 

[#1GuinFan]

listening to Johnston's presser after the first day.. I'm more and more liking this hire. Johnston comes across as a guy with a plan, and seems a lot more hockey saavy then his predecessor. Also reinforces just how arrogant Dan was in my head.

I'm looking forward to this season much more-so then last. I dunno if the results will be any better or not. But at least we aren't hitting our head on a brick wall anymore.

can someone post a link for this? cant find it

 

[doob]

can someone post a link for this? cant find it

http://penguins.nhl.com/club/news.htm?id=726200&navid=DL|PIT|home

 

[Speaking Moistly]

Pittsburgh Penguins ‏@penguins
Assistant Coach Rick Tocchet is literally pushing #Pens prospects to excellence. http://instagram.com/p/qhBMtoupAd/
https://twitter.com/penguins/status/489422009030283264

 

[Pharrell Williams]

Pittsburgh Penguins ‏@penguins
Assistant Coach Rick Tocchet is literally pushing #Pens prospects to excellence. http://instagram.com/p/qhBMtoupAd/
https://twitter.com/penguins/status/489422009030283264

**** YEAH, SLEW FOOT 'EM RICK! ... sorry, got excited.

 

[WhatsaMaatta]

Dumoulin is vastly underrated around here. He had an injury in camp and never looked right until late in the season IMHO.

I think he has been one of the Baby Pens best player in the playoffs the last two years, most especially this year. I think he is right on the same tier as a guy like Harrington, but being the third piece in that Staal deal, I guess people tend to make him an after thought (especially when I see him as a throw in in stupid deals).

Thanks for dismissing my opinion because it differs from yours. I base my opinion not on what piece he was in a trade, but on what I've seen, which is at the NHL level for Dumoulin. I haven't had the opportunity to watch as many AHL games as I used to over the past couple years. He was a step behind the play in the NHL, though. Like I said, maybe that changes, and when it does my opinion will change. But I think Harrington deserves as much of a chance as Dumoulin, and saying Pouliot is above him on the depth chart right now isn't understating anybody.

 

[Captain Hook]

Dumo has only played 6 career NHL games. That's really not enough games to make anything of one way or the other.

 

[Zero Pucks]

Thanks for dismissing my opinion because it differs from yours. I base my opinion not on what piece he was in a trade, but on what I've seen, which is at the NHL level for Dumoulin. I haven't had the opportunity to watch as many AHL games as I used to over the past couple years. He was a step behind the play in the NHL, though. Like I said, maybe that changes, and when it does my opinion will change. But I think Harrington deserves as much of a chance as Dumoulin, and saying Pouliot is above him on the depth chart right now isn't understating anybody.

Yep. Dumoulin didn't look like an all-star his first call up, time to throw him out already.

 

[Rico Fatastic]

Dumo has only played 6 career NHL games. That's really not enough games to make anything of one way or the other.

A 6 game sample is definitely not enough to make any grandiose conclusions about a guy's long term future or whatever else, but it absolutely is enough to cause you to question his NHL readiness. Hopefully he has a strong training camp (note: the real training camp, not prospect camp) to put those concerns to rest.

 

[wej20]

Pouliot's probably not going to be ready for camp so I don't see him being in front of Dumoulin.

 

[mpp9]

Unless we dump Scuds, there's only one spot on the team up for grabs and it's Despres' to lose. Even with Maatta out to start the year.

That #7 spot on the team is Samuelsson's I bet.

 

[WhatsaMaatta]

Dumo has only played 6 career NHL games. That's really not enough games to make anything of one way or the other.

Some people are just putting words in my mouth, so I'll just quote this one.
6 games never determines an NHL career. But it was enough to determine that he was not NHL ready. Yeah, you have to give him a shot again at some point but when with the guys we have in front of him? In a healthy lineup, Dumoulin won't even make the roster. And you have to see what Harrington brings, too.

Why are we so ready to give Dumoulin a chance when Despres, who has looked ready for two years, hasn't been given a roster spot yet?

 

[radapex]

Some people are just putting words in my mouth, so I'll just quote this one.
6 games never determines an NHL career. But it was enough to determine that he was not NHL ready. Yeah, you have to give him a shot again at some point but when with the guys we have in front of him? In a healthy lineup, Dumoulin won't even make the roster. And you have to see what Harrington brings, too.

Why are we so ready to give Dumoulin a chance when Despres, who has looked ready for two years, hasn't been given a roster spot yet?

Roster spots should never be given, they should be earned.

 

[WhatsaMaatta]

Roster spots should never be given, they should be earned.

If Despres hasn't earned it, I don't know who had.

 

[Zero Pucks]

Some people are just putting words in my mouth, so I'll just quote this one.
6 games never determines an NHL career. But it was enough to determine that he was not NHL ready. Yeah, you have to give him a shot again at some point but when with the guys we have in front of him? In a healthy lineup, Dumoulin won't even make the roster. And you have to see what Harrington brings, too.

Why are we so ready to give Dumoulin a chance when Despres, who has looked ready for two years, hasn't been given a roster spot yet?

Who the hell has said that? And you're complaining about people putting words in your mouth?

 

[radapex]

If Despres hasn't earned it, I don't know who had.

Clearly FGMRS and FHCDB didn't feel he earned a spot.

 

[WhatsaMaatta]

Pouliot's probably not going to be ready for camp so I don't see him being in front of Dumoulin.

That could be very true, but in terms of where they fit in the depth chart in a year or two and what we do with guys like Martin or Ehrhoff or even Bortuzzo, Pouliot could eclipse Dumoulin before either gets a chance at a roster spot.

 

[WhatsaMaatta]

Clearly FGMRS and FHCDB didn't feel he earned a spot.

We'll see what happens now that they don't have a job.

 

[WhatsaMaatta]

Who the hell has said that? And you're complaining about people putting words in your mouth?

Well you clearly disagreed with me saying Dumoulin was not NHL ready with your hyperbolic response. If you disagree with me saying he did not look NHL ready, the only other opinion you could have is that he is NHL ready. I mean, he either is or he isn't.

 

[IcedCapp]

Clearly FGMRS and FHCDB didn't feel he earned a spot.

How's their employment status looking?

 

[Mr Jiggyfly]

Thanks for dismissing my opinion because it differs from yours. I base my opinion not on what piece he was in a trade, but on what I've seen, which is at the NHL level for Dumoulin. I haven't had the opportunity to watch as many AHL games as I used to over the past couple years. He was a step behind the play in the NHL, though. Like I said, maybe that changes, and when it does my opinion will change. But I think Harrington deserves as much of a chance as Dumoulin, and saying Pouliot is above him on the depth chart right now isn't understating anybody.

I was talking in general about other opinions I've seen around here about Dumoulin. Then said he should be on par with Harrington. Somehow that puts you on the defensive? Really?

But since you want to take things personally, let's look at what you said your opinion was based on:

Judging him on his first six NHL games, while still recovering from an injury.

Sounds solid. I'll clearly take your sound opinion over seeing him play lights out when it matters the last two years.