Proposal: PIT - SJS

[Gurglesons]

Barabanov + Carolina’s 3rd + SJS 4th for Granlund and 14th overall.

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[BillR10]

As a sharks fan I'd be all over it which leads me to believe Pittsburgh fans won't like it.

 

[Gurglesons]

As a sharks fan I'd be all over it which leads me to believe Pittsburgh fans won't like it.

Would you do the PIT 1st and Granlund for Barabanov and your 2nd?

 

[RationalExpectations]

I think Granlund can be dumped without much of a cost : except for 20 games in PIT, he is still a 50 point player on 5m deal (not good not bad).

CHI or ARI could take that contract hoping to flip it at TDL if he comes back to 50 points.

 

[Pinkfloyd]

I think you can have the 3rd round pick or you can have Barabanov but not both in this instance but I do think it is close value-wise and I hope the Sharks would be willing to take on cap for picks. Barabanov is likely worth somewhere between a 2nd and a 3rd round pick on his own so throwing him back in a salary deal is probably not the most effective course of action. Now if it were Lindblom that would be a different story.

 

[Grinner]

I'd accep the OP's offer

 

[66-30-33]

Liked what I saw from him during Pens/Sharks games don’t know his value though.

 

[Maurice of Orange]

Alexander Barabanov will be a UFA at the end of next season, I doubt the Pens give a 1st for a player that could walk after 1 season.

Pittsburgh’s prospect pool is dam near non-existent as the Pens only drafted 3 players in the 1st round since 2012. The Pens shouldn’t be trading their mid 1st round pick in a particularly good draft.

 

[Empoleon8771]

Absolutely not. Barabanov doesn't fill any sort of need big enough to justify trading pick #14 for. If they're trading pick #14, they need to be getting a starter or a top-4 defenseman to replace Dumoulin.

 

[DrDangles]

Brutal for Pittsburgh

 

[Dicdonya]

I do not think its brutal for Pitt, however seeing as how Pitt has like 20 mil cap and no one important to sign, I am not sure why getting a side grade for Granlund that is 2.5mil cheaper and slightly younger, is worth using a 1st.

I think this deal would be much more even if Pitt was up hard against the cap.

As a Sharks fan, Id do this one though, we need more 1st level prospects for our rebuild and Barabanov is certainly not a long term piece so yeah.

 

[Toby Flenderson]

Can we stop pretending Granlund is awful and a cap dump? He struggled in his short time with Pittsburgh but was a good winger prior. With Zucker gone most likely, he can take on a top 6 role and we’ll see if he bounces back.

Absolutely not attaching the 14OA to him for any reason.

 

[slappipappi]

I think Granlund can be dumped without much of a cost : except for 20 games in PIT, he is still a 50 point player on 5m deal (not good not bad).

CHI or ARI could take that contract hoping to flip it at TDL if he comes back to 50 points.

Except he’s signed for 2 more years, not one. Not a likely deadline trade.

and Arizona doesn’t take on salary, just cap.

and Chicago has indicated they will use their cap space strategically, to obtain assets.

 

[Wattsburgh]

Is trading 14 overall for extra equipment at Play it Again Sports from the clearance rack your next proposal?

Can we stop pretending Granlund is awful and a cap dump? He struggled in his short time with Pittsburgh but was a good winger prior. With Zucker gone most likely, he can take on a top 6 role and we’ll see if he bounces back.

Absolutely not attaching the 14OA to him for any reason.

He’s obsessed with getting likes or just being liked in this section I think. Because his Pens offers are the dumbest trades I’ve seen since Chris Archer to Pittsburgh.

 

[DrDangles]

Can we stop pretending Granlund is awful and a cap dump? He struggled in his short time with Pittsburgh but was a good winger prior. With Zucker gone most likely, he can take on a top 6 role and we’ll see if he bounces back.

Absolutely not attaching the 14OA to him for any reason.

This 100 times over.

Sully needs to play to his strengths as a playmaking winger, I'll never understand why he was brought in to be a shutdown 3C. In Nashville he was getting 55% o-zone starts and 3 mins of PP time per game on their 1st unit, after being traded Sully gave him 30% o-zone starts and put him on the Pens' 2nd PP unit getting a bit more than a minute of PP time per game. It just doesn't make any sense.

Spending valuable assets to move him is just bad asset management at this point.

 

[Maurice of Orange]

This 100 times over.

Sully needs to play to his strengths as a playmaking winger, I'll never understand why he was brought in to be a shutdown 3C. In Nashville he was getting 55% o-zone starts and 3 mins of PP time per game on their 1st unit, after being traded Sully gave him 30% o-zone starts and put him on the Pens' 2nd PP unit getting a bit more than a minute of PP time per game. It just doesn't make any sense.

Spending valuable assets to move him is just bad asset management at this point.

I agree dumping the 14th overall pick just to get rid of Granlund just doesn’t make sense for Pittsburgh as they could gain a valuable asset with that 14th overall pick in the deep 2023 draft.

Barabanov only has 1 season left on his deal before he hits UFA so this deal would eventually end in lost assets for nothing but a late 3rd and high 4th which are lottery tickets at best.

I know Pittsburgh fans were pissed when Granlund was acquired by Hextall but Granlund is still a useful playmaking defensive forward. The issue is Granlund was never a big goal scorer as he is more of a puck moving threat, with his passing abilities, which is why he may draw the ire of Pens fans moving forward if Mikael doesn’t produce goals.

 

[Juxtaposer]

I get why Penguins fans wouldn’t like this one, but Barabanov is incredibly underrated. He would thrive alongside Crosby or Malkin and would surely sign a reasonable contract with them at the end of the year. The problem is that the 14th overall is just about the only marginally attractive asset the Penguins have.

 

[Gecklund]

I mean I’d do it. It seems fair too. Spoonfeed Granlund some really offensive minutes and see if we can flip him for a 2nd at the deadline.

 

[Empoleon8771]

I get why Penguins fans wouldn’t like this one, but Barabanov is incredibly underrated. He would thrive alongside Crosby or Malkin and would surely sign a reasonable contract with them at the end of the year. The problem is that the 14th overall is just about the only marginally attractive asset the Penguins have.

With what position? The Penguins have Rakell and Rust as RWers, both of who are better than Barabanov.

 

[Gecklund]

With what position? The Penguins have Rakell and Rust as RWers, both of who are better than Barabanov.

All three of those guys can play both sides.

 

[Empoleon8771]

All three of those guys can play both sides.

Rust absolutely can't play LW and Rakell needs to stay on RW with Crosby. I'm also not particularly interested in seeing how good Barabanov can play on LW considering he has seemingly played all of his career on RW.

I'd much rather get an established LWer that we know how good they'll be on LW rather than a RWer with unknown performance on LW.

 

[Juxtaposer]

With what position? The Penguins have Rakell and Rust as RWers, both of who are better than Barabanov.

Firstly, I know points aren’t everything, but Barabanov scored the same number of points in 11 less games this year on the putrid Sharks as Rust did playing with Crosby or Malkin. Barabanov was the Sharks best forward all year other than Meier and does so many good things outside of just putting up points. I’d take him over Rust easily.

Secondly, then just play him at RW? He can’t play both just fine.

 

[Empoleon8771]

Firstly, I know points aren’t everything, but Barabanov scored the same number of points in 11 less games this year on the putrid Sharks as Rust did playing with Crosby or Malkin. Barabanov was the Sharks best forward all year other than Meier and does so many good things outside of just putting up points. I’d take him over Rust easily.

Secondly, then just play him at RW? He can’t play both just fine.

Lmao that's hilarious.

In the 3 years before this year, Rust had 156 points in 171 games. Barabanov's career high before last year was 39 points in 70 games.

 

[Pinkfloyd]

Lmao that's hilarious.

In the 3 years before this year, Rust had 156 points in 171 games. Barabanov's career high before last year was 39 points in 70 games.

Not the own you think it is. Barabanov can and has played left wing just fine and most wingers can switch fairly easily.

 

[Empoleon8771]

Not the own you think it is. Barabanov can and has played left wing just fine and most wingers can switch fairly easily.

On the Penguins this sure hasn't been true.

But the overall point is that calling Barabanov better than Rust is just a hilarious overreaction to 1 season where Barabanov was playing with one of the best offensive performances from a defenseman all time.