Pick 2 cap casualties for the Leafs

[Morgs]

Nylander is going nowhere.

 

[Eternal Leaf]

If it's required, Brown and Zaitsev will go.

Nylander isn't getting traded after signing 4-5 months ago. Kadri is an incredibly valuable asset due to his cap hit (which is the entire purpose of this thread lol). Marleau essentially said he's coming back today and he has a No Movement Clause.

 

[Bounces R Way]

What was Lou thinking with that Zaitsev contract. 7 years after 1 decent rookie season? Wunderboy Dubas should've stopped that in it's tracks. What a terrible idea. It's a catch 22 because if you trade Nylander or Kadri for things of actual worth then you'll either have to pay those things of worth immediately or eventually.

 

[supsens]

But then you have to replace that spot in the lineup with a cap hit, and for a 3rd line center you're probably adding at least a $2-mill cap hit, likely more. Trading a low-cap player to save on cap space doesn't save much cap space.

He is a third liner making 4.5 that isn't a low cap hit. Other then PM being nice and agreeing to a trade, and finding a team to take him. I dont see too many other options. High paid third liners are a luxury they can't afford.

 

[Nizdizzle]

He is a third liner making 4.5 that isn't a low cap hit. Other then PM being nice and agreeing to a trade, and finding a team to take him. I dont see too many other options. High paid third liners are a luxury they can't afford.

4.5M for a two-way center who can score 30 goals and agitate is absolutely a low cap hit. The Leafs 3rd line gets pretty much the same playing time as the first and second lines.

 

[supsens]

4.5M for a two-way center who can score 30 goals and agitate is absolutely a low cap hit. The Leafs 3rd line gets pretty much the same playing time as the first and second lines.

First off he scored 17 goals, second there is lots of 'good' contracs the leafs cant afford, if you want to pay 4 top forward 40 million you don't have room for 3rd liners making over 2. The cap average is equal to what? 4 million per guy, so you need to take 24 million from your other players to even out the big four and thats with no other players making over 4.
You need 8 guys being paid 1 million each just to cover those guys.

 

[Nizdizzle]

First off he scored 17 goals, second there is lots of 'good' contracs the leafs cant afford, if you want to pay 4 top forward 40 million you don't have room for 3rd liners making over 2. The cap average is equal to what? 4 million per guy, so you need to take 24 million from your other players to even out the big four and thats with no other players making over 4.
You need 8 guys being paid 1 million each just to cover those guys.

Mind checking what he scored the previous two years, and then reading what I actually wrote?

 

[ScaredStreit]

If it's required, Brown and Zaitsev will go.

Nylander isn't getting traded after signing 4-5 months ago. Kadri is an incredibly valuable asset due to his cap hit (which is the entire purpose of this thread lol). Marleau essentially said he's coming back today and he has a No Movement Clause.

Why would any team take Zaitsev? Yes Kadri has some value...it's why he's the player most likely to be moved.

 

[supsens]

Mind checking what he scored the previous two years, and then reading what I actually wrote?

What he scored with a bigger roll with better players doesnt matter. tHat roll is gone.

 

[KingsFan7824]

hopefully to live somewhere warm and coast out the last season of his career where he's barely an NHL player somewhere that people won't notice, it might be less likely than him staying but also maybe a bigger possibility than we think. You'd have to think that a hall of fame player feels bad about not being able to keep up even as a complimentary piece to a very good core, and the Toronto media coverage is going to put a lot more pressure on that story than a cap floor team scenario.

Might be wishful thinking, but it does have some merits

If he's already a HoF player, what does he care? He wants a Cup. He went to Toronto because of the young core. He's got 1 year left, why would he throw away that chance so he can go hide somewhere? I'm guessing he'll be more than happy to continue hitching his wagon to Tavares, Matthews, and Marner, and whatever happens, happens. He's a 40 year old man with millions in the bank. He chose Toronto when he was already old. Why would he care about media pressure?

 

[Nizdizzle]

What he scored with a bigger roll with better players doesnt matter. tHat roll is gone.

He scored those in the same role, 3rd line behind Matthews and Bozak.

 

[leeroggy]

Tavares for Doughty . . . undo the mistake!

 

[McDavidCrushedLarkin]

What was Lou thinking with that Zaitsev contract. 7 years after 1 decent rookie season? Wunderboy Dubas should've stopped that in it's tracks. What a terrible idea. It's a catch 22 because if you trade Nylander or Kadri for things of actual worth then you'll either have to pay those things of worth immediately or eventually.

Who knows, every shiny new toy is the "best" according to some obscure stat. All I remember was Leaf fans telling Oiler fans how he'd be our teams #1 dman and he was legit top pairing. I was attacked for staying he wasn't nearly that good.

 

[Randy Randerson]

If he's already a HoF player, what does he care? He wants a Cup. He went to Toronto because of the young core. He's got 1 year left, why would he throw away that chance so he can go hide somewhere? I'm guessing he'll be more than happy to continue hitching his wagon to Tavares, Matthews, and Marner, and whatever happens, happens. He's a 40 year old man with millions in the bank. He chose Toronto when he was already old. Why would he care about media pressure?

Firstly, I did caveat that post with "this might be wishful thinking", but:
- the media was adoring of him when he got here and it seems to be turning on him as he's not able to keep up any more, which likely has some affect on him with a young family living in a city where people will know who they are because they're related to a Leaf - Leafs here are like Lakers there, they don't get the benefit of anonymity like NHL'ers do in many markets
- you assume he came to win cups or the young core, which is wrong. He came for the extra $8.75M he was getting here that SJ (or anyone else) wouldn't match, he's getting that either way. Where he lies along the spectrum between wanting to win and wanting to comfortably ride off into the sunset is entirely speculative (on my part as well, but its certainly possible that he would be happy with a comfortable victory lap somewhere warm with minimal media coverage, assuming that isn't true is a mistake)

 

[BB88]

hopefully to live somewhere warm and coast out the last season of his career where he's barely an NHL player somewhere that people won't notice, it might be less likely than him staying but also maybe a bigger possibility than we think. You'd have to think that a hall of fame player feels bad about not being able to keep up even as a complimentary piece to a very good core, and the Toronto media coverage is going to put a lot more pressure on that story than a cap floor team scenario.

Might be wishful thinking, but it does have some merits

He signed to win a Cup in Toronto, and this is his last chance after 20 whatever years.

Toronto is the only one that benefits from Marleau move.

 

[Fugazy]

Nylander and Kadri.

 

[Randy Randerson]

He signed to win a Cup in Toronto, and this is his last chance after 20 whatever years.

Toronto is the only one that benefits from Marleau move.

it's been widely reported that the Leafs were willing to pay him where others weren't, that's not speculation. What we know about Marleau picking Toronto is that there was a heavy financial benefit to doing so, that's all we know

 

[Hunter368]

Without a doubt imo the two they “should be moving are” Zaitsev & Marleau........but the big question is can they find any team to take those two ugly contracts AND how much will it cost the Leafs to move them.

Honourable mention goes to Brown, he’s overpaid but can still play on some teams 3rd line.

Kadri & Nylander both hold value. Kadri can be a moron and hurt his team when he loses control of his emotions.......hopefully he learnt his lesson now. Try to keep both Nylander & Kadri unless your trading them to fill another bigger need like RHD.

 

[Randy Randerson]

Without a doubt imo the two they “should be moving are” Zaitsev & Marleau........but the big question is can they find any team to take those two ugly contracts AND how much will it cost the Leafs to move them.

Honourable mention goes to Brown, he’s overpaid but can still play on some teams 3rd line.

Kadri & Nylander both hold value. Kadri can be a moron and hurt his team when he loses control of his emotions.......hopefully he learnt his lesson now. Try to keep both Nylander & Kadri unless your trading them to fill another bigger need like RHD.

I think Brown is expendable, but doesn't really seem to be overpaid...The 5 forwards above him in cap hit are Sheahan, Faksa, Hyman, Vesey, Shore and the 5 guys below him are Jarnkrok, Rieder, Karlsson (Melker), Lewis, Nieto - Kase, Ferland and Dzingel are the only guys on the same capfriendly page that really jump off as being much better producers. He's the 221st highest cap hit for a forward so well into 3rd line territory, and kills penalties with virtually no PP time and plays both sides. Seems right in line for value to me, I think Brown is an attractive enough piece for a team that needs versatile wingers, probably a 3rd round pick type return.

 

[justafan22]

Worst comes to worse, you can always deal one of kapanen/johnsson for picks

 

[780il]

Marleau and Zaitsev aren't going anywhere....

Kadri and Nylander would be my choices.

 

[Makar Goes Fast]

would be surprised if nylander goes after dubas said he wouldnt after the signing

 

[Trap Jesus]

Leafs are idiots if they don't get rid of Nylander. Forget the questions about his heart and his play this year, he plays a position/style of play that is a luxury on the Leafs and not a necessity whatsoever. Marner/Kapanen on the right side is more than good enough in the top 6. Even with his play this year, he's still young and carries value in a trade.

I'd try to unload Marleau if possible. He's about to fall off a cliff.

 

[Hischier and Hughes]

Kapanen will be moved and he isnt an option

Its practically confirmed

 

[Randy Randerson]

Leafs are idiots if they don't get rid of Nylander. Forget the questions about his heart and his play this year, he plays a position/style of play that is a luxury on the Leafs and not a necessity whatsoever. Marner/Kapanen on the right side is more than good enough in the top 6. Even with his play this year, he's still young and carries value in a trade.

I'd try to unload Marleau if possible. He's about to fall off a cliff.

assuming you're referring to Nylander as a winger, at this point most of HFLeafs is comfortably enough with him at center to move on from Kadri. He's played a large enough sample to be pretty dependable, and he's been more than adequate playing there