I did like The Plight of the Phoenix, but given all the bond issues....
Thread XXII link: http://hfboards.com/showthread.php?t=881563
Thread XXII link: http://hfboards.com/showthread.php?t=881563
I can appreciate the honesty. And to be honest, I am not surprised to hear that. So let's get over the pretense of whether this deal is the best of no real good alternatives for the CoG. Again, Phoenix bad....Winnipeg good. Got that point about 20 threads ago.
Seriously? Even MH conceded that CoG dragged their feet in disclosing all relevant documents to GWI.
You're getting into interesting territory by claiming their intent is to drive up the bond price. I believe their intent is to prevent Glendale from violating Arizona's Constitution. Perhaps you have better information?
Edit: I'm also under the impression that only Glendale can allow any bond sale to move forward. They are hardly the victim you pain them in this process, and there is a constitution in Arizona. Perhaps your quibble is with that document.
If you admit it is uncollectable they why would the CoG waste taxpayers money suing the GWI, since you are all about saving taxpayers dollars? The GWI has lost many a case and are still around, so I would say they are not going anywhere win or lose.
goyotes said:Let me ask you, after the thousands of recent posts, and the hundreds of pages of documents we have all reviewed in our spare time, do you really believe that the GWI lacks the information necessary to determine whether this transaction is unconstitutional?
Yes. I do question their intent. It seems they have reached some conclusion about the legality of the transaction, yet they aren't going to act upon it and plan to allow the bonds to be sold at an interest rate the will harm the taxpayer. It seems the GWI is playing games here.
Yes. I do question their intent. It seems they have reached some conclusion about the legality of the transaction, yet they aren't going to act upon it and plan to allow the bonds to be sold at an interest rate the will harm the taxpayer. It seems the GWI is playing games here.
As an aside, since the boards crashed a few times today...
HF smashed to utter smithereens all previous 'number of users currently online' record. We broke our old record mid-month, and then smashed that one by a factor of 3x today.
thanks, no expert here on any bonds, certainly not muni bonds etc, appreciate the "dumbed down" version for us lay people. So if I understand what you are saying, the bond offering was at 6.8? initially and that now it must be much higher if the MH comment says it is 100 million more or is the 100 the difference between best case 5% and whatever they are at now?
They haven't sold as yet, despite many assurances they would be offered previously. Do you think that COG could be leery of the increased cost due to a higher rate and is hesitant to commit? They have to see the higher rate makes this tougher for them to show they get more than they give? Yes?Davemac1313 - The bonds will sell. The interest rate will be higher than necessary. The deal will close unless the GWI can somehow get a court to injoin the sale. What the GWI is doing is playing chicken, and for their part, they are not protecting the taxpayer. They are just driving up the cost of the bond.
I'll be honest. Like many Winnipeggers who want the NHL back, we don't care about the taxpayers in Glendale. Since the Coyotes fans are now attacking us, I thought I'd clear the air with that. We point out issues with the lease and deal to wonder how on earth anyone could make a deal in which the COG is doing.
MH doesn't care about the Coyotes. If he did, he'd get some people together and put more than 70 million into the team. At least pay for the whole team and take the management fee to pay for the losses which he is doing.
As for the bankruptcy thing. I received an email reply from Leiberman (I know, he's anti deal) but he stated that the way MH has it setup, technically the company which will own the Coyotes can go bankrupt at any time he chooses. Peak6 nor MH is the owner but a company name created.
Seems like their intent is to cost the Glendale taxpayer further money
"The bonds have not yet been offered."
Good god.
What the **** are these people doing?
So the question is:
In the eyes of the law, can the GWI legally sue an entity over a business transaction that has not yet been completed?
To increase the interest cost of $173 million that's shown in the bond offering by $100 million, the interest rate would have to go from 6.8% to around 11%.
Because when someone asks you if "you wanna go" you drop your gloves and get the first punch in. That is why I would go after the GWI, even if I couldn't collect on the judgment.
According to one report, JPM was putting the bonds out for subscription, which is different than offering. Subscription is to gauge interest in the bonds. IF it is taking this long, must not be a lot of interest in the bonds.
According to one report, JPM was putting the bonds out for subscription, which is different than offering. Subscription is to gauge interest in the bonds. IF it is taking this long, must not be a lot of interest in the bonds.
They haven't sold as yet, despite many assurances they would be offered previously. Do you think that COG could be leery of the increased cost due to a higher rate and is hesitant to commit? They have to see the higher rate makes this tougher for them to show they get more than they give? Yes?
upshall traded to columbus. coincidence?
An interesting analogy coming from someone who practices law. I've generally found lawyers tempering their options and choosing the path of least resistance in acheiving their end results.
If I took your analogy in fighting Derek Boogard I would get one punch in... of course I would have my room pre-booked in intensive care.
The JPM offering did state that there was a minimum pre-order in order to determine full release of the bonds. There are so many mixed messages that it is difficult to determine if the bonds won't or can't be issued. Depends on who you ask I suppose.