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In the beginning ... the first Phoenix fiasco thread!!! (?)
03-04-2007 Coyotes to lose 30M?

12-08-2008 Hockey in The Desert (Phoenix franchise and finance/business matters)
02-04-2009 Hockey in the Desert II (Phoenix Coyotes franchise and business matters)

Fresh from Al Capone's Geraldo Rivera's Evil Doctor's Vault - The Lost Thread:
04-28-2009 The Arizona Republic: NHL loan keeps Coyotes operating

05-05-2009 Balsillie puts in $212.5 mil offer for the Coyotes
05-07-2009 Balsillie/Phoenix part II
05-18-2009 Balsillie/Phoenix part III
05-22-2009 Balsillie/Phoenix part IV
06-03-2009 Balsillie/Phoenix part V
06-09-2009 Balsillie/Phoenix Part VI
06-12-2009 Balsillie/Phoenix Part VII: I'm just waitin' on a judge
06-16-2009 Balsillie/Phoenix Part VIII: It's dead, Jim
06-24-2009 Balsillie/Phoenix Part IX: 'Dorf on Hockey
07-25-2009 Phoenix bankruptcy/ownership Part X: The Truth? You Can't Handle The Truth!
08-03-2009 Phoenix bankruptcy/ownership Part XI: A Fistful of Dollars?
08-07-2009 Phoenix bankruptcy/ownership Part XII: For a Few Dollars More
08-12-2009 Phoenix bankruptcy/ownership Part XIII: The Good, The Bad, and The Ugly
08-21-2009 Phoenix bankruptcy/ownership Part XIV: The Wrath of Baum
08-27-2009 Phoenix bankruptcy/ownership Part XV - SITREP: SNAFU
09-02-2009 Phoenix bankruptcy/ownership Part XVI: Barbarian at the Gate
09-08-2009 Phoenix bankruptcy/ownership Part XVII: Wake Me Up When September Ends
09-10-2009 Phoenix bankruptcy/ownership Part XVIII: Is that a pale horse in the distance?
09-12-2009 Phoenix bankruptcy Part XIX: How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Love the Baum
09-21-2009 Phoenix Bankruptcy Part XX: There Will Be Baum
09-28-2009 Phoenix Bankruptcy Part XXI: 2009 -- A Sports Odyssey
10-26-2009 Phoenix Bankruptcy Part XXII: Long and winding road

11-24-2009 Keeping up with potential owners for NHL Phoenix Coyotes (UPD: Ice Edge signs LOI)
03-14-2010 Part II. Potential owners of NHL's Phoenix Coyotes
03-26-2010 Part III. Prospective Owners - Phoenix Coyotes (UPD Lease vote 4/13; IEH signs MOU)
04-10-2010 Part IV Phoenix Coyotes post bankrtuptcy; UPD COG approves Reinsdorf MOU, not IEH MOU
05-02-2010 Part V Phoenix Coyotes post bankruptcy UPD Reinsdorf out? IEH back in? else Winnipeg?
05-11-2010 Part VI Phoenix Coyotes post bankruptcy
05-23-2010 Part VII Phoenix Coyotes post bankrtuptcy
06-07-2010 Part VIII: Phoenix Coyotes Post-bankrtuptcy
06-22-2010 Part IX: Phoenix Coyotes Post-bankruptcy UPD: Pres Moss fired 6/30 with IEH input
07-26-2010 Part X: Phoenix Coyotes - Between Scylla and Charybdis
08-27-2010 Part XI: Phoenix Coyotes -- Greetings, Starfighter, You have been selected ...
09-16-2010 Part XII: Phx Coyotes - Still haven't found what I'm looking for
10-12-2010 Part XIII: Phoenix Coyotes - The Final Cut?
10-27-2010 Part XIV: Phoenix Coyotes - To Infinity And Beyond....
12-05-2010 Part XV: Phoenix - the battle of evermore
12-14-2010 Part XVI: Phoenix -- Money for Nothing
12-20-2010 Part XVII: Phoenix -- Thread Title Available For Lease
01-09-2011 Part XVIII: Phoenix -- Imminence Front
01-24-2011 Phoenix XIXth: Nervous Breakdown
02-02-2011 Phoenix XX: Two weeks
02-11-2011 Phoenix XXI: When will then be now?
02-22-2011 Phoenix XXII: It's Now or Never
02-28-2011 Phoenix XXIII - Bond: The Phoenix Project
03-03-2011 Phoenix XXIV: How many twists does the scriptwriter have left?
03-07-2011 Phoenix XXV: Anyone in the theatre seen a pale horse?
03-08-2011 Phoenix XXVI: Pain in the AZ
03-11-2011 Phoenix XXVII: Can we all get along?
03-16-2011 Phoenix XXVIII: Lawyers, Bonds and Money
03-20-2011 Phoenix XXIX: What's the next act? I'm tired of the dog & pony show
03-22-2011 Phoenix Part XXX Hulz, you gotta get a gimmick if you want to get ahead
03-27-2011 Phoenix Part XXXI: I feel I'm in a time loop
04-05-2011 Phoenix Part XXXII: Bridge over Troubled Goldwater
04-14-2011 Phoenix XXXIII: Sound of Silence
04-20-2011 Phoenix XXXIV: Project Mayhem
04-25-2011 Phoenix XXXV: Several Species of Small Furry Animals Gathered Together in a Cave...
05-03-2011 Phoenix XXXVI - There's got to be a morning after
05-10-2011 Phoenix XXXVII - The Heat is On

Followed by the Interregnum between Kings Phoenix the XXXVII-th and Phoenix the XXXVIII-th:

[PYTHON]
The most interesting thing about King Charles, the first
Is that he was 5 foot 6 inches tall at the start of his reign
But only 4 foot 8 inches tall at the end of it because of
Oliver Cromwell, Lord Protector of England Puritan
Born in 1599 and died in 1658 September
[/PYTHON]

06-09-2011 ESPN's Burnside: Hulsizer submitted new deal; COG city manager dragging it out
06-20-2011 Coyotes related: Westgate faces foreclosure
06-21-2011 Phoenix, worst case scenario

Finally, the realm was restored ...

06-27-2011 Phoenix XXXVIII: Hulsizer Pulls Bid For Coyotes
08-16-2011 Phoenix XXXIX: You Never Give Me Your Money
10-18-2011 Phoenix XL: Rich Man's World
12-07-2011 Phoenix XLI: Bongo Fury
01-06-2012 Phoenix XLII: The Answer to the Ultimate Question of Life, the Universe and Everything
02-02-2012 Phoenix XLIII: How to Bake Cupcakes in Less Than Two Weeks
02-28-2012 Phoenix XLIV: Ignorance & Apathy (or I Doan't know & I Doan't Care)
03-28-2012 Phoenix XLV: You can't YANDLE the truth!
04-11-2012 Phoenix XLVI: (Tre)living on a prayer
04-21-2012 Phoenix XLVII: More Threads than Superbowls
05-01-2012 Phoenix XLVIII: Of Mice and Lieberman
05-08-2012 Phoenix XLIX: Smoke & Mirrors
05-21-2012 Phoenix L: AllByDesign?
05-30-2012 Phoenix LI: es, Damn Lies, and Arena Management Fees
06-06-2012 Phoenix LII: Goodnight, Sweet Lieberman
06-08-2012 Phoenix LIII: How the GWInch Stole Phoenix
06-12-2012 Phoenix LIV:E and Let Die
06-19-2012 Phoenix LV: is Has Left the Building
06-26-2012 Phoenix LVI: s is Still Dead (or Maybe Working at a 7-11 in Glendale)
07-04-2012 Phoenix LVII (or MDCCLXXVI): Declarations of (In)Dependence
07-13-2012 Phoenix LVIII; Will jobbing get jobbed?
07-30-2012 Phoenix LIX: The JIG is up?
08-18-2012 Phoenix LX: Pinocchio's Furniture
09-07-2012 Phoenix LXI; We agreed to pay HOW MUCH‽
09-26-2012 Phoenix LXII: Abandon Hope all Ye Who Enter Here
10-16-2012 Phoenix LXIII: Have Become, Comfortably Numb;
11-06-2012 Phoenix LXIV: Will You Still Need Me, Will You Still Read Me, on Thread LXIV?
11-21-2012 Phoenx LXV: The word is... give me a minute.... "Omnishambles"... "Omnishambles"
11-27-2012 Phoenix LXVI: Get Your Kicks On Thread LXVI
12-18-2012 Phoenix LXVII: Route66 - Aftermath
01-15-2013 Phoenix LXVIII - "Watch out for that Tree"
01-25-2013 Phoenix LXIX: Thread of LXIX
01-30-2013 Phoenix LXX: Should they stay or should they go now?
02-01-2013 Phoenix LXXI: Daydream Belever
02-12-2013 Phoenix LXXII: Send in the Clowns
03-14-2013 Phoenix LXXIII: "This Space Available"
04-04-2013 Phoenix LXXIV: Be Seeing You
04-22-2013 Phoenix LXXV: It's Like Deja Vu All Over Again
05-02-3013 Phoenix LXXVI: Renaissance Men
05-13-2013 Phoenix LXXVII: Tired of Waiting For You
05-19-2013 Phoenix LXXVIII: Know When To Hold 'Em, Know When To Fold 'Em
05-25-2013 Phoenix LXXIX: This is The End, We Hope Not
05-29-2013 Phoenix LXXX: Is there another way out?
06-01-2013 Phoenix LXXXI: I'll Gladly Pay You Tuesday for Your Franchise Today!
06-08-2013 Phoenix LXXXII: "Waive Reading Beyond the Title"
06-12-2013 Phoenix LXXXIII: "Stuff's Gonna Happen"
06-14-2013 Phoenix LXXXIV: Planespotting Edition
06-16-2013 Phoenix LXXXV: A Bridge to Nowhere
06-20-2013 Phoenix LXXXVI: There's Always Money in the Banana Stand
06-24-2013 Phoenix LXXXVII: Hotel Arizona
06-26-2013 Phoenix LXXXVIII: The Final Cupcake?
06-28-2013 Phoenix LXXXIX: If you don't approve it, we must move it!
06-29-2013 Phoenix XC: Down to the Weiers
07-02-2013 Phoenix XCI: Never Gonna Give You Up
07-02-2013 Phoenix XCII: Movie Night In Glendale
07-02-2013 Phoenix XCIII: Vote for the Yote to Keep them Afloat, or That's all She Wrote!
07-02-2013 Phoenix XCIV: The team, the dream, the scheme
07-02-2013 Phoenix XCV: We Trust Gary Bettman
07-02-2013 Phoenix XCVI: The Government You Deserve ...
07-06-2013 Phoenix XCVII: Forget it, Jake. It's Glendale
07-19-2013 Phoenix XCVIII: 5tayin' Alive
08-05-2013 Phoenix XCIX: "I Got 99 Problems, But A Lease Ain’t Oneâ€
06-09-2015 Phoenix C: The F A.R.S Awakens
06-10-2015 Phoenix CI: TeA.R.S. for FeA.R.S.
06-12-2015 Phoenix CII: Oh, the pain the pain
06-17-2015 Phoenix CIII: Sue Me, Sue You Blues
06-21-2015 Phoenix CIV: May be time to put the band back together ...
06-29-2015 Phoenix CV: CoG went full-on haboob, man. Never go full-on haboob.
07-12-2015 Phoenix CVI: It's good to talk these things out
07-23-15 Phoenix CVII: Can yet the lease of my true love control
09-03-2015 Phoenix CVIII: Audits and Losses and RFPs! Oh My!

A couple whole bunch of Phoenix uThreads have popped up in the wake of the "To close, or not to close" mega-thread discussion:

03-16-2012 COG to spend more on Coyotes than public safety?
03-22-2012 Dreger (3/22): NHL to investigate "plan b" for Phoenix
03-23-2012 Sunnicks strikes again "will they stay or will they go now?"
03-28-2012 G&M: Architects of Glendale pro sports disaster won't be around for fallout
03-30-2012 Shoalts: Ice Edge talking about bringing (minor) hockey to the Job should Yotes leave
04-04-2012 Shoalts: Glendale Mayor Scruggs wants city's $$ back
04-05-2012 Coyotes CEO 'confident' team is staying in Glendale
04-05-2012 Puck Daddy: Coyotes battline relocation worries with public optimism
04-06-2012 A strong PHX team in the playoffs may bring a new owner.
04-10-2012 Father of PHX AGM Brad Treliving involved in keeping Coyotes in Glendale?
04-10-2012 PKP offer for Coyotes may be 230 million (mod: to QC w/relo $$)
04-10-2012 Beasley: Coyotes deal within a month
04-11-2012 Glendale, NHL trying to close Phoenix Coyotes deal with Jamison group
04-11-2012 Bettman: no timeline on Phoenix situation (AP)
04-13-2012 Adding up the Numbers in the Phoenix Jamison Bid
04-16-2012 COG's Lieberman calls for demonstration against Coyote deal
04-17-2012 COG - budget payment to Jamison group not to exceed $20m?
04-17-2012 GWI ready to scrutinize new deal
04-18-2012 Coyotes sale soon, five things to watch
04-21-2012 Jamison looking for more investors on Coyotes bid, could be 1-2 months away from deal
04-21-2012 Greg Jamison finally goes public with potential purchase of the Coyotes
04-24-2012 Glendale Busts its Budget; Pledges More Money for Yotes
04-27-2012 Coyotes working to convert bandwagon fans to full time fans
04-28-2-12 4/28: Coyote sale deal getting closer
04-30-2012 Phoenix Coyotes sale finalized May 8th? Hulsizer back in?
05-03-2012 Phoenix CEO/Pres Nealy - something could happen next week
05-04-2012 Feschuk: Phoenix Coyotes doing just fine, thanks
05-04-2012 If the yotes make the finals
05-04-2012 Former Coyotes owner Jerry Moyes assails NHL over Coyotes’ operations
05-07-2012 NHL to announce tentative deal re: sale to Jamison
05-08-2012 Sportsnet: COG promising $306mm over next 21 years
05-08-2012 Wall Street Journal: 'Glendale's Public Hockey Project' = Loss
05-17-2012 Phoenix saga: 5/22 end date
05-17-2012 Jamison signing preliminary sales docs with NHL 5/17 or 5/18
05-21-2012 Goldwater Inst. ready to sue Glendale over arena management deal
05-23-2012 COG council approves preliminary budget with $17m payment for arena management
05-25-2012 Preliminary draft of lease agreement for Jobing.com in hands of COG board
06-04-2012 Phoenix lease details
06-05-2012 Bettmans plan may unravel in Phoenix (vote coming 6/8)
06-06-2012 The angst of Phoenix -- from three major league teams to one (that use city name)
06-06-2012 Forbes: Jamison having trouble raising funds
06-07-2012 GWI letter to Glendale Mayor and Coucilmembers
06-07-2012 Arizona Free Enterprise Club opposes COG deal
06-07-2012 Goldwater Institute Files for Restraining Order
06-11-2012 Coyote name change on hold?
06-13-2012 13 June, Goldwater files suit
06-14-2012 Halverstadt on NHL Home Ice talking Coyotes
06-14-2012 Coyotes deadline "now"? NHL schedule releasing soon
06-15-2012 PBJ: CoG says they'll withstand GWI legal challenge
06-15-2012 AFEC considering ballot (referendum) and COG concil recall
06-18-2012 Phoenix Coyotes, NHL looking for legal counsel to represent team, arena
06-19-2012 Coyotes deal not immediately effective - Referendum to follow?
06-26-2012 COG + GWI agreement on non-emergency status
06-28-2012 Jones/Cobb v Glendale (Coyotes Court Case)
07-04-2012 Coyotes PAC formed
07-04-2012 COG city council candidates voice opposition to Coyotes deal
07-05-2012 Shoalts 7/5 update on Coyotes situation
07-09-2012 Coyotes lease referendum petition not submitted by 7/9
07-11-2012 Glendale rejects group's attempt to overturn sales-tax increase
07-12-2012 PBJ: Jamison group has funding for purchase of Coyotes
07-16-2012 2 COG referendum proponents gearing up for legal battle
07-26-2012 Jones & Cobb decide to NOT file lawsuit after their lease referendum rejected
07-26-2012 PBJ: 7/27 deadline for Coyotes sale?
07-28-2012 PBJ: 7/28: Jamison short $20mm?
07-31-2012 Glendale arena proposal scheduled to expire 7/31, extended another 31 days
08-01-2012 Mayoral candidates speaking out on Coyotes prospective owner
08-08-2012 PBJ: 8/8 Jamison group apparently now has the funds to buy Coyotes
08-10-2012 SBN's Five for Howling: Coyotes sale a done deal
08-16-2012 COG mayoral candidate: Rework proposed lease due to lockout
08-18-2012 CBA uncertainty delaying Coyotes sale?
08-24-2012 8/24: Appeals Court Orders Glendale Sales-Tax Measure to be put Back on Ballot
08-27-2012 8/27 COG extends lease (with NHL) again (pending sale to Jamison group)
08-29-2012 COG seeking change to negotiated proposed arena deal with Jamison
09-04-2012 ESPN Burnside has source that says Jamison's got funding, arena deal to be done
09-11-2012 PBJ: O’odham tribe now involved in Jamison's deal to buy team?
09-29-2012 Final details on Coyotes lease to be settled 10/3?
10-07-2012 Final vote on reworked Jobing.com lease coming 10/23?
10-08-2012 Deja vu, redux = COG talk about extending agreement with NHL another 30 days
11-01-2012 Dater: Phoenix reason for lockout
11-07-2012 Impact of Glendale election on fate of Phoenix Coyotes future
11-26-2012 COG to vote on revised lease 11/27
11-30-2012 Referendum starts process (against) Glendale arena deal with Jamison
12-21-2012 Jamison officially signs Jobing.com lease agreement
12-26-2012 Coyotes could break even, or even profit, if there are no games
12-27-2012 Shoalts: Jamison using US Green Cards to lure investors in Coyotes
01-06-2013 Sportsnet: Jamison group about to finalize Coyotes purchase
01-30-2013 Burnside, LeBrun: Sale of Coyotes to Jamison in Question
01-31-2012 NHL no longer denying relocation a possibility for the Coyotes?
02-01-2013 USA Today's Allen: NHL must continue committment to Phoenix
02-02-2013 Phoenix - Glendale vs Scottsdale
02-08-2013 Grant Woods leading (new) ownership group to (try to) buy Coyotes
02-12-2013 Hulsizer back to looking at buying Coyotes?
03-28-2013 Report: NHL may soon consider relocation for Coyotes; Ice Edge back in picture?
03-29-2013 Bettman: Hey COG, expect something in about a week
04-07-2013 Bettman: Interest in Phoenix franchise "higher than ever"
05-06-2013 Arizona Republic: True cost of running Jobing.com below what COG has paid
05-06-2013 COG Mayor: waiting on NHL to approve owner
05-11-2013 Californian Darin Pastor looking to finalize "premium" purchase of Coyotes
05-27-2013 5/28 NHL, COG, Renaissance meeting in Glendale
05-30-2013 Forbes: Phoenix Coyotes $170 Million Sale To Be Partially Funded By NHL
06-05-2013 4 firms submitted bids to run Jobing.com arena by deadline
06-12-2013 The Hockey News: Will the Coyotes move to Seattle this Summer?
06-13-2013 Glendale announces 4 bidders for Jobing.com management
06-14-2013 Yet another mystery buyer courting Glendale directly
06-15-2013 FSAZ/AP: Framework in place for new lease to keep Coyotes in Glendale
06-26-2013 Mystery Coyotes investor to partner with COG?
07-02-2013 Thread for Discussion of CoG/RSE Lease Agreement 7/2/13
08-05-2013 NHL: Sale of Coyotes is finalized
08-07-2013 SI: Coyotes not out of financial desert yet
08-07-2013 Report: Coyotes could host All-Star game soon

And, hey, why not, for completeness:

03-05-2010 NHL sues Jerry Moyes
 

TheLegend

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Now, my dear TL. These are two separate issues. Don't say the interest isn't there, because that's just false. Don't say that relocation isn't a topic that probably comes up EVERY time there are questions about the Yotes future, especially now given the lease has a fixed expiry.

He obviously can say they're not going to discuss their decisions with us fanatics, as is his wont.

I'm not saying anything the interest isn't there, Fugu. I'm simply saying it doesn't matter to the NHL what a bunch of board posters think about how they run things. It's their country club. The facts are, despite their seeming arrogance towards us "outsiders", they have flourished very well. Maybe they could be doing much better if they heeded some of the opinions offer here, but until something hits them where it matters (ie their overall bottom line) don't bet on them listening.

Oh really? The largest fan based chat board on the face of the planet but no, they can just disregard their customer base huh? Tell us whatever they want, just Sheeple. Insult our intelligence. Ya. That works.

Doesn't matter, K.

Trust me... I'm as curious to find out as much as I can on what make the NHL tick. But we can analyze the NHL and its business dealings until the Sun goes nova and swallow us up. This may be the largest "fan board" but I would bet it makes up a very small portion of the overall NHL customer base. And of that an even smaller portion that even care to discuss that area of it.
 

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So, where can the Coyotes feasibly or even technically relocate to in Arizona? The Suns aren't likely to let them in without the Coyotes/NHL paying for it and even then they may not want to lose the dates. Where was the locations being floated in the summer before the Coyotes & Glendale came to an agreement again? Or is this all a distraction to try and draw eyes away from the U-Hauls?

I guess one thing to keep an eye out for is NHL visits or visits to the NHL/BoG by people not tied to any team. Do we see potential owners from Portland or Houston show up? Hamilton? If the Coyotes relocate in 1-2 years, it will have to be somewhere, which leads to the question of where.
 

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The facts are, despite their seeming arrogance towards us "outsiders", they have flourished very well.

Yes indeed. And since 1917, despite themselves. Problem is, theyve missed so many boats over the years, continue to do so, they couldve circumnavigated the globe well over 1000 X's if their success hadnt been & continues to be stunted by greed. As self appointed stewards of the game at the highest level & unfortunately emulated by the CHL & elite amateur, absolutely abysmal failures. What they cant handle is any serious light being shone on their activities, the webs of deceit they weave. Its then they turn into Bullies. Most people posting here are not your average fans, their the creme de la creme of fans be it by team, by league, playing the game themselves, historically, the business end of the stick etc. No time for Bullies, know how to handle them, know when their being lied to, misled, know when the NHL's messing up be it the Rules, the CBA, their own teams ownership, management, ownership or players, Toronto, Boston, Arizona or whatever wherever. And while the percentile overall might be small in comparisons to the hundreds of millions of fans of the game & the NHL worldwide, as the stewards of the league just as in any sports or entertainment property & presentation you owe it to your audience to be absolutely 110% honest & forthright in your practices & delivery. To not take any part of that audience for granted. Not even one person. Show some respect. Their paying your bills and but for about 2% not living anywhere nearly as large as most everyone earning a living, making $$$ through the NHL.

So, where can the Coyotes feasibly or even technically relocate to in Arizona? The Suns aren't likely to let them in without the Coyotes/NHL paying for it and even then they may not want to lose the dates. Where was the locations being floated in the summer before the Coyotes & Glendale came to an agreement again? Or is this all a distraction to try and draw eyes away from the U-Hauls?

I guess one thing to keep an eye out for is NHL visits or visits to the NHL/BoG by people not tied to any team. Do we see potential owners from Portland or Houston show up? Hamilton? If the Coyotes relocate in 1-2 years, it will have to be somewhere, which leads to the question of where.

Yeah, all good points, those are the questions to which we seek answers. Not getting any. Just more smoke from LeBlanc and that aint good but whats he going to say? If he just comes right out with "yes, unfortunately we will be moving out of state at the end of this season" attendance would absolutely crater. Take a bigger bath & financial hit then they already are. All kinds of explaining to do thereafter by IA, Bettman & the NHL, get real messy. So thats the cover~story. "Were committed to Arizona & plan stay in-state". Fine. Where? "Were working on it, no further comment at this time". Theyve got 3 choices;

1) Stay at GRA, try & workout the best possible deal they can with the new Arena Manager.

2) Move downtown to Talking Stick Arena, try & work out the best possible deal they can with the Suns et al, work towards the development of a new facility either downtown or in Scottsdale.

3) Move into the old War Vets Memorial Arena, retro-fit it, fix it up, play out of that grand old barn, the original "saddledome", one time home to the WHA & IHL Roadrunners. The place they shouldve moved into back in 96. This whole mess of a situation completely avoided.

Any one of these options is going to cost them sizable amounts of money, money they dont have. They dont have that kind of wealth and unless someone comes along who's prepared to drop bails of it, those 3 options not really options at all.
 

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...Any one of these options is going to cost them sizeable amounts of money, money they dont have. They dont have that kind of wealth and unless someone comes along who's prepared to drop bails of it, those 3 options not really options at all.

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LeBlanc is selling hope, because that's all he has left to peddle. Keep your chin up, nothing to see here, business as usual... and so fourth.

So far this season ( according to ESPN ) the Coyotes are at 82.9% capacity. Last season they ended at 77.9% capacity. Long season to go and decent numbers so far, but Leblanc can't let anything negative be said about the team's address, or that capacity % will dip to just season ticket holders and employees.

Unless the team is north of the border where people will still go see a game even when they know the team is relocating...He's got no choice. IA is already losing buckets of money. Tell people you are relocating in October, and those buckets become swimming pools.
 

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LeBlanc is selling hope, because that's all he has left to peddle. Keep your chin up, nothing to see here, business as usual... and so fourth.

So far this season ( according to ESPN ) the Coyotes are at 82.9% capacity. Last season they ended at 77.9% capacity. Long season to go and decent numbers so far, but Leblanc can't let anything negative be said about the team's address, or that capacity % will dip to just season ticket holders and employees.

Unless the team is north of the border where people will still go see a game even when they know the team is relocating...He's got no choice. IA is already losing buckets of money. Tell people you are relocating in October, and those buckets become swimming pools.


Yes but you've only had 3 games. Game 1 was a sell out like last season. Game 3 only drew 13,400 and that was against an original 6 team on a Saturday night. With the Cardinals probably having a deep playoff run and new arena manager being named in January that second half bump won't be there.
 

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With the Cardinals probably having a deep playoff run and new arena manager being named in January that second half bump won't be there.

I should mention that the national news media has done an about-face on the Cardinals and now says that the only reason they have 4 wins is because they had a light schedule. So the Coyotes shouldn't have to worry about them once the playoffs start. :sarcasm:

I should also mention that in Arizona, being an O6 team is not an automatic draw. Make whatever hay you wish out of that (ANOTHER NOTCH AGAINST THIS TERRIBLE MARKET BLARGHAHRARGH).
 

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Yes but you've only had 3 games. Game 1 was a sell out like last season. Game 3 only drew 13,400 and that was against an original 6 team on a Saturday night. With the Cardinals probably having a deep playoff run and new arena manager being named in January that second half bump won't be there.

Might want to clean your crystal ball.... :sarcasm:

In 2008, when the Cardinals went to the Super Bowl, the Coyotes (under Gretzky) averaged 14,873 (83.6%) and were 13th in the conference.

Don't think the Cardinals are going to affect the Coyotes as much as where the Coyotes are in the standings at that point. The arena manager situation isn't going to play much either given how many years the franchise has had some sort of off-ice drama.
 

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Might want to clean your crystal ball.... :sarcasm:

Don't think the Cardinals are going to affect the Coyotes as much as where the Coyotes are in the standings at that point. The arena manager situation isn't going to play much either given how many years the franchise has had some sort of off-ice drama.

Yeah, I wouldnt be quite so quick with the negative prognostications in that regard, attendance. The market beyond PTSD at this stage in the game. Under constant fire, I.E.D.'s going off all over the place. Quite used to it all by now I should imagine. Signing up for another tour of duty... where else you gunna get that kinda rush?.... Legally I mean TL.... Ha?... Yep. Only those who have been to the edge & actually gone over it then come back will ever really understand.
 

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Since IceArizona is only getting $6.5 million for 'managing' the arena, there still is no posting of any payments to the Follow Your MONEY web site, under the Finance department, as has been the case for the last two years.

Under the revised 'agreement,' this was the change:

16. Management Fee. The defined term “Management Fee” is hereby redefined in its entirety as follows: “Management Fee” shall mean Six Million Five Hundred Thousand Dollars ($6,500,000) per Fiscal Year payable pursuant to Section 10.1, subject to all other terms and conditions of this Agreement.

However, the payment schedule (under Section 10.1) hasn't changed from the first day of the subsequent month (Oct 1, Jan 1, Apr 1, and Jul 1), even under this temporary two-year 'agreement.'

After three weeks, wonder why there is no record of any payments other than the $500,000 for 'capital improvements' and $25,600 to pay for Beacon's services in finding a new arena manager...
 

JimAnchower

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Might want to clean your crystal ball.... :sarcasm:

In 2008, when the Cardinals went to the Super Bowl, the Coyotes (under Gretzky) averaged 14,873 (83.6%) and were 13th in the conference.

Don't think the Cardinals are going to affect the Coyotes as much as where the Coyotes are in the standings at that point. The arena manager situation isn't going to play much either given how many years the franchise has had some sort of off-ice drama.

Yeah, the Cardinals being good won't impact the Coyotes attendance. If the Suns were really good, it might since there would be more nights where both teams are playing or people deciding that they'd rather save their sports ticket money for a Suns game over a Coyotes game.
 

Killion

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Since IceArizona is only getting $6.5 million for 'managing' the arena, there still is no posting of any payments...

Well, why would there be? They're being paid $6.5M & then capture & keep all of the revenues thereafter do they not? Parking included. So the only thing Glendale would receive are the usual tax remissions no? Im not even 100% sure if they receive the ticket surcharge. Cant remember what was in the revised Lease. Might wanna find it, check it out again Llama.
 

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Well, why would there be? The're being paid $6.5M & then capture & keep all of the revenues thereafter do they not? Parking included. So the only thing Glendale would receive are the usual tax remissions no? Im not even 100% sure if they receive the ticket surcharge. Cant remember what was in the revised Lease. Might wanna find it, check it out again Llama.

Coyotes keep both ticket and parking surcharges.
 

Llama19

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Well, why would there be? Their being paid $6.5M & then capture & keep all of the revenues thereafter do they not? Parking included. So the only thing Glendale would receive are the usual tax remissions no? Im not even 100% sure if they receive the ticket surcharge. Cant remember what was in the revised Lease. Might wanna find it, check it out again Llama.

The city should have posted a $1.5 million quarterly payment to IceArizona, but hasn't...

Also, IceArizona is still paying Sales Taxes (i.e., inside arena sales) and arena fees (e.g., security), which we know is very little...

As far as ticket surcharges, etc. (per #2 Statement of Intent in the agreement) that is now all IceArizona's...

And, others think IceArizona is in a position to 'negotiate' to play/stay/collect somewhere else in Arizona... :shakehead
 

Killion

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Coyotes keep both ticket and parking surcharges.

Ya, I thought so. Thanks for confirming that Jim.

The city should have posted a $1.5 million quarterly payment to IceArizona, but hasn't...

Also, IceArizona is still paying Sales Taxes (i.e., inside arena sales) and arena fees (e.g., security), which we know is very little...

Didnt they pay them the full amount up-front in July?... And ya, Glendale just receives the sales tax, their portion thereof of every transaction, be it parking, tickets, concessions, merchandise sales or whatever in & around the building. IceAz who last year submitted somewhere around (if memory serves) $6.5M (?) to Glendale now keeps all of that so in reality over the year they'll still be raking in about $15M if they maintain last years pace & volumes. An excellent deal really as that $6.5M from Glendale is beyond generous, over 3X's what they should be paying an Arena Manager followed by a heavily incentivized back-end commission & bonus structure which would then be capped. All profits thereafter going to the city but simultaneously receiving remissions in the form of ticket surcharges, parking revenues & so on.
 
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