Phoenix CIII: Sue Me, Sue You Blues

[Yukon Joe]

things are different in Us in regards to defamation. to defame someone in the states you have to say some thing that damages them significantly that is false, and that you know it to be false at the time. rather hard to prove.

At the level you state it, defamation law is the same in Canada.

 

[GJB]

http://www.turnto23.com/sports/loca...12-years-as-kings-take-on-coyotes-at-rabobank

Another "home" preseason game for the Coyotes, on the road in Bakersfield, CA.

If the NHL has that much concern and are already planning "home" games for Arizona in California, I just can't imagine them risking the possibility of having no place to play for the regular season 2-3 weeks later. What a debacle.

 

[Howler Scores]

http://www.turnto23.com/sports/loca...12-years-as-kings-take-on-coyotes-at-rabobank

Another "home" preseason game for the Coyotes, on the road in Bakersfield, CA.

The season ticket package they have been selling this year was always based on 42 games (1 preseason game). The Bakersfield game was in the works before this new stuff started.


http://coyotes.nhl.com/club/page.htm?id=97042

http://coyotes.nhl.com/club/news.htm?id=763677

 

[kihekah19*]

You do realize that they have a TEMPORARY RESTRAINING ORDER against them preventing them from doing just that.

<---What my avatar is doing....

You do realize that has already been addressed?

 

[Major4Boarding]

You do realize that has already been addressed?

How so?

 

[kihekah19*]

How so?

15 long posts ago

 

[Major4Boarding]

15 long posts ago

My apologies. Thought for a second you showed your work... or taking credit for someone else doing the work for you.

 

[aqib]

There was some article indicating cog is supposed to file a response to ia's pleadings today. No hearing though and who knows if we'll see a copy of what they might file. The other docs were released by the Coyotes themselves.

I think Freedom of Information Act would require them to share if asked. I would imagine they will make their way out at some point.

 

[kdb209]

I think Freedom of Information Act would require them to share if asked. I would imagine they will make their way out at some point.

FOIA is a Federal law. This would be covered under the Arizona Public Records law:

http://www.azleg.gov/ArizonaRevisedStatutes.asp?Title=39

I will let those more familiar with the AZ public disclosure laws make further comment.

 

[Evil Doctor]

You do realize that has already been addressed?

That would have required me to use my powers of precognition to know what was on page 2 while I was reading page 1. Unfortunate I was using them to find out how the Ticats were going to do this upcoming season, while I was reading your post...

 

[Llama19]

Key dates in Glendale-Coyotes arena deal dispute

To quote:

"Aug. 28, 2001: Glendale hires Craig Tindall as a deputy city attorney.

July 2002: Glendale hires Julie Frisoni as communications manager.

...

July 2, 2013: Glendale City Council approves an arena management and lease agreement with the Arizona Coyotes for Gila River Arena on a 4-3 vote.

August 2, 2013: Julie Frisoni is assigned as an interim assistant city manager.

Aug. 20, 2013: Craig Tindall accepts a job with the Arizona Coyotes as general counsel."

Source: http://www.azcentral.com/story/news...glendale-coyotes-arena-deal-dispute/28886951/

 

[Thegreatwar]

As someone who isn't as familiar with the specifics of this saga, can someone explain what the "cupcake summit" was, and what the deal was with COG paying for their own parking rights?

 

[cbcwpg]

As someone who isn't as familiar with the specifics of this saga, can someone explain what the "cupcake summit" was, and what the deal was with COG paying for their own parking rights?

"Cupcake Summit " was a meeting held between Hulsizer ( potential owner ) , the GoldWater Institute, and the CoG council to discuss concerns that the GWI has with a potential deal. The meeting was about 1000 years ago in Coyote years.

http://archive.azcentral.com/ic/pdf/0421goldwater-meeting-minutes.pdf

And just because
we've had, you know, different interactions between all
of us, we thought it would be fun to sort of start
fresh and call this the Cupcake Summit, and we'll offer
you the first cupcake, and we have some plates and
napkins and just pass it around to get us started.

******

Parking rights...

http://www.thehockeynews.com/articl...r-Coyotes-paves-way-for-sale-to-Hulsizer.html

The lease has the city giving Hulsizer $100 million for parking rights and another $97 million over a six-year period as a fee for operating the arena. The Goldwater Institute questioned the agreement as overgenerous and the fees far beyond fair market value.

Tons of details can be found , but basically IIRC there were two issues.

1- the GWI thought $100MM was too much to pay for the parking and
2 - the CoG was going to give $100MM to Hulsizer to buy parking rights that the CoG already owned.

 

[Ciao]

As someone who isn't as familiar with the specifics of this saga, can someone explain what the "cupcake summit" was, and what the deal was with COG paying for their own parking rights?

The Cupcake Summit is a little easier to explain than the Great Parking Lot Saga.

At one point the Goldwater Institute had been examining the legality of the City of Glendale's intended deal with a prospective purchaser (Reinsdorf?). My memory fails me with respect to the details, but there was at one time some kind of meeting hosted by Goldwater that came to be known as the "Cupcake Summit". Someone else will surely have all the right details.

The parking lot is not as straightforward. Believe it or not, at one time one of the prospective purchasers suggested that Glendale would lease back parking lots in the vicinity of the arena at a cost of $100-million that would, of course, be paid to the entity operating the arena on behalf of the hockey club. Again, the details escape me but there are many, many threads on this and someone else will remember.

Since then, my kids have earned several university degrees and given us a few grandchildren. Some of my friends have retired, others have died, governments have come and gone, entire wars have been fought and life goes on. The late comedian Red Skelton once joked that "nothing goes on forever . . . except the Paris peace talks!" He never lived to see the Phoenix/Arizona Coyotes purchase and sale -- THAT goes on forever!

 

[OthmarAmmann]

The cupcake summit and the parking bonds were both related to Hulzinger, as was the Fax of Dreams.

 

[Ciao]

I agree with Fugu's thesis that IA won't renegotiate because it has no money with which to negotiate anything.

I am so disappointed that the Borrow-way "purchase" was a sham. Following this from a distance, I thought it was very refreshing that someone finally was putting his own money into it without leaning on the City of Glendale to foot the bill. So it turns out I was just foolishly naive.

I also agree with the notion that a true sale from the NHL to Ice Arizona was never actually completed in that not enough money seems to have changed hands. The NHL has set Ice Arizona up in "ownership" as a mere caretaker until the chickens come home to roost, which they eventually will whether now or later. If the Ice Clowns blow their cover the NHL will have no option but to pull the plug and relocate ASAP, unless they want to do the honourable and ethical thing by paying their own bills for a while without trying to figure out another way to send the bill to the taxpayers of the good City of Glendale.

It looks like the Clowns were nothing but a front to try to squeeze as much money out of Glendale as possible, all the while buying time for the NHL to plan an eventual relocation in the overwhelmingly likely event that the Coyotes would not financially succeed in Arizona.

Stupidly, at one time I bought in to the suggestion that the Coyotes were in Glendale to stay, and I would have liked that result, but now the whole thing seems slimier than ever.

It's actually hard to imagine the NHL surpassing its previously epic efforts to screw Glendale, but they just never give up trying. Now, as Killion says, they seem to be preparing to leave while blaming the victim.

 

[Ciao]

The cupcake summit and the parking bonds were both related to Hulzinger, as was the Fax of Dreams.

I remember watching the televised council meeting with Hulsizer in attendance. It was creepy to watch former Mayor Scruggs fawn over him excessively.

That was before she caught on to what was really happening.

 

[Killion]

I also agree with the notion that a true sale from the NHL to Ice Arizona was never actually completed in that not enough money seems to have changed hands. The NHL has set Ice Arizona up in "ownership" as a mere caretaker until the chickens come home to roost, which they eventually will whether now or later. If the Ice Clowns blow their cover the NHL will have no option but to pull the plug and relocate ASAP, unless they want to do the honourable and ethical thing by paying their own bills for a while without trying to figure out another way to send the bill to the taxpayers of the good City of Glendale.

Now, as Killion says, they seem to be preparing to leave while blaming the victim.

.... couldnt have said it better myself Councillor. And yet.... Ive been accused of being a vainglorious peddler of frothing Conspiracy Theories. Me. Of all people?..... little history here; Compass East, incorporated in Delaware (weve been there before in this saga, several times in fact) a Dummy Corporation formed by Walt Disney; Air America, Japan Asia Airlines, Aeroflot, Narconon... on & on & on. T'ohonos Indian Band as well. Hiding behind Dummy Corporations & numbered companies secretly buying up large tracts of land in & around Glendale. IceArizona, Dummy Corporation, a shell, Straw Owners. I too wish it wasnt so but the evidence is overwhelming. Their actions (lack thereof, clearly amateurs with false intent, Disinformation Officers, Bad Actors) & reactions, the actions & reactions (Bettman in particular has given much away, accidentally shown his hand) of the league... the dots all connect. This is all surreal for those of who have followed it closely because?.... Its not real. Not a real sale. Not real owners. All a front. Theater. Black operation. The NHL operating underground.

 

[Llama19]

At least, Antonio G. Tavares got his money for the 'audit'...

FINAL INVOICE FOR SERVICES - 05/21/15 - $40,000.00

(Home > All Departments > City Attorney > Outside Legal Fees > Professional and Contractual > FINAL INVOICE FOR SERVICES [Page 4])

Source: http://www.glendaleaz.com/FollowYourMoney/Dept.cfm?Type=5&DeptID=151&DivID=10615&Account=518200

 

[Killion]

At least, Antonio G. Tavares got his money for the 'audit'...

FINAL INVOICE FOR SERVICES - 05/21/15 - $40,000.00

And where pray tell are these documents? Sure hope they got their monies worth. Not another scam job, like that Beacon report...
Assessment of Glendale Arena & Marketing.... duuuuuh..... book more concerts & events?..... $40,000 pls.

 

[Llama19]

And where pray tell are these documents? Sure hope they got their monies worth. Not another scam job, like that Beacon report... Assessment of Glendale Arena & Marketing.... duuuuuh..... book more concerts & events..... $40,000 pls.

I think these 'audit' documents are still under wraps until the TRO case starts...

BTW, did you notice these recent payments on the Coyote Bankruptcy to Fennemore Craig?

COYOTES HOCKEY LLC BANKRUPTCY - 01/05/15 - $2,068.20
COYOTES HOCKEY LLC BANKRUPTCY - 03/11/15 - $567.90
COYOTES HOCKEY LLC BANKRUPTCY - 04/07/15 - $11,363.40
COYOTES HOCKEY LLC BANKRUPTCY - 05/07/15 - $1,138.00

(Home > All Departments > City Attorney > Outside Legal Fees > Professional and Contractual > COYOTES HOCKEY LLC BANKRUPTCY [Page 3])

Source: http://www.glendaleaz.com/FollowYourMoney/Dept.cfm?Type=5&DeptID=151&DivID=10615&Account=518200

 

[TheLegend]

I think these 'audit' documents are still under wraps until the TRO case starts...

BTW, did you notice these recent payments on the Coyote Bankruptcy to Fennemore Craig?

COYOTES HOCKEY LLC BANKRUPTCY - 01/05/15 - $2,068.20
COYOTES HOCKEY LLC BANKRUPTCY - 03/11/15 - $567.90
COYOTES HOCKEY LLC BANKRUPTCY - 04/07/15 - $11,363.40
COYOTES HOCKEY LLC BANKRUPTCY - 05/07/15 - $1,138.00

(Home > All Departments > City Attorney > Outside Legal Fees > Professional and Contractual > COYOTES HOCKEY LLC BANKRUPTCY [Page 3])

Source: http://www.glendaleaz.com/FollowYourMoney/Dept.cfm?Type=5&DeptID=151&DivID=10615&Account=518200

Interesting find, Llama. They're just paying on that now?

I supposed they'll probably use that to claim the Coyotes deal in 2013 prevented them from paying off their legal bill from 2010 or so. Despite all the sweet severance packages they forked out to Beasley..... and the two who worked under him (can't think of their names off hand).... Fischer.....

 

[hisgirlfriday]

So let me get this straight re: Tindall...

He was the city attorney at the time that Glendale contracted with Fennemore Craig to represent the city in the Coyotes bankruptcy... then he parlays that into a position at Fennemore Craig... then he goes to work for the Coyotes.

Anyway, there may still be ongoing stuff related to the bankruptcy that Glendale has to deal with so those legal fees may not be that old. A quick google search pulls up info about ongoing routine reports being filed on that bankruptcy as recently as March 2015 so Glendale might need someone to review those.

 

[Whileee]

So let me get this straight re: Tindall...

He was the city attorney at the time that Glendale contracted with Fennemore Craig to represent the city in the Coyotes bankruptcy... then he parlays that into a position at Fennemore Craig... then he goes to work for the Coyotes.

Anyway, there may still be ongoing stuff related to the bankruptcy that Glendale has to deal with so those legal fees may not be that old. A quick google search pulls up info about ongoing routine reports being filed on that bankruptcy as recently as March 2015 so Glendale might need someone to review those.

Private school tuition is expensive!

 

[CC96]

All Glendale and Coyotes drama aside, the thread title is easily one of George Harrison's most underrated songs.