Philadelphia Flyers Mount Rushmore

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[Boreal01]

Clarke, Lindros, Parent, Giroux

First 3 were fairly straight forward, #4 was very tough between Giroux/Barber/Howe

 

[Mulletman]

Why are people voting for Giroux and Howe? Giroux run with the flyers wasn't anything special, he was just there for a really long time and Howe didn't do anything special either. Leach, Kerr, LeClair and Recchi should all get more votes than Giroux and Howe as they actually did something special with the Flyers.

 

[Gurglesons]

Parent, Clarke, Leach, Lindros

 

[Regal]

Why are people voting for Giroux and Howe? Giroux run with the flyers wasn't anything special, he was just there for a really long time and Howe didn't do anything special either. Leach, Kerr, LeClair and Recchi should all get more votes than Giroux and Howe as they actually did something special with the Flyers.

Howe and Kerr played on the same teams and no one thought Kerr was better

 

[Mulletman]

Howe and Kerr played on the same teams and no one thought Kerr was better

Kerr holds the single season power play goals record! That's more impressive than anything Mark Howe ever did!

 

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Parent, Clarke, Leach, Lindros

How is Howe beating Leach?

 

[HFpapi]

Went with Clarke, Lindros, Parent, Howe.

P.S: Do people not realize how good Howe was? 3 time Norris finalist and a Hall of Famer.

 

[jigglysquishy]

Kerr holds the single season power play goals record! That's more impressive than anything Mark Howe ever did!

Howe finished 2nd for the Norris 3 tines and 3rd for the Hart once.

They played on the same team and Howe regularly finished ahead of him in Hart voting despite being a defenseman.

 

[amnesiac]

Kerr holds the single season power play goals record! That's more impressive than anything Mark Howe ever did!

that a joke? 3 time runner up for the Norris and 3 time 1st team all-star.

Think before you post.

How is Howe beating Leach?

cus he was a better hockey player.

 

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that a joke? 3 time runner up for the Norris and 3 time 1st team all-star.

Think before you post.


cus he was a better hockey player.

Sorry not trying to be rude or disrespectful. Just more of an emotional connection to Leach. Both fantastic players, and truly one shouldn’t be arguing for votes going one way or another

 

[Craft Beer Lover]

Absolute no-brainer:

Bobby Clarke
Bernie Parent
Eric Lindros
Bill Barber

For the life of me, I have no clue as the why Claude Giroux is a choice of so many on this site. Bill Barber is in the Hockey Hall of Fame, for Pete’s sake. He was arguably the best left wing of his era, and a was fabulous two-way player used in all situations, including left point on PP1, and the PK1 forward tandem. Additionally, he was a puck possession monster. If advanced metrics existed on those days, his would be through the roof. Incidentally, I rate him over Mark Howe mostly because of longevity with the team.

 

[Hockey Outsider]

Just to add re Mark Howe - during his tenure with the Flyers, he was 4th among all defensemen in votes for the Norris trophy (he finished behind Bourque, Coffey and Langway, but ahead of MacInnis, Leetch, Chelios, Stevens, Wilson, and Housley). He also finished 3rd in Hart voting (behind only Gretzky and Lemieux) in 1986. Howe was one the top two-way defensemen of his era. (The rudimentary data that we have from back then shows that he played a huge role in driving his team's goal differential when he was on the ice - comparable to players like Bourque and Pronger).

 

[Voight]

Absolute no-brainer:

Bobby Clarke
Bernie Parent
Eric Lindros
Bill Barber

For the life of me, I have no clue as the why Claude Giroux is a choice of so many on this site. Bill Barber is in the Hockey Hall of Fame, for Pete’s sake. He was arguably the best left wing of his era, and a was fabulous two-way player used in all situations, including left point on PP1, and the PK1 forward tandem. Additionally, he was a puck possession monster. If advanced metrics existed on those days, his would be through the roof. Incidentally, I rate him over Mark Howe mostly because of longevity with the team.

Barber only managed one top 10 point finish, one top 10 assist and two top 10 goal finishes despite playing with an all time great center in Clarke. Don't get me wrong he was a good player, but people picking Giroux over him isn't some tragedy. Take away his two cups and I am not convinced he's in the hall ... Rick Martin for example had more top 10 finshes & made more AST's yet has not been inducted.

 

[Craft Beer Lover]

Barber only managed one top 10 point finish, one top 10 assist and two top 10 goal finishes despite playing with an all time great center in Clarke. Don't get me wrong he was a good player, but people picking Giroux over him isn't some tragedy. Take away his two cups and I am not convinced he's in the hall ... Rick Martin for example had more top 10 finshes & made more AST's yet has not been inducted.

Not surprised at your analysis, being that you looked up his counting statistics, rather than having actually watched him play. He was indeed the best left wing of his era which included Rick Martin, Steve Shutt, and Clark Gillies, and was a two-way and possession wiz. Giroux, not so much.

 

[BigBadBruins7708]

Clarke, Parent, Lindros, Hextall IMO

1st 3 are locked in, 4th is debatable.

 

[Regal]

Not surprised at your analysis, being that you looked up his counting statistics, rather than having actually watched him play. He was indeed the best left wing of his era which included Rick Martin, Steve Shutt, and Clark Gillies, and was a two-way and possession wiz. Giroux, not so much.

Kind of weak competition tbh

 

[Craft Beer Lover]

Kind of weak competition tbh

So that’s Barber’s fault?

 

[Regal]

So that’s Barber’s fault?

No, but your argument as “best left winger of his era” doesn’t hold as much weight if his competition for that spot isn’t strong.

 

[Satoru Gojo]

Giroux over Hextall??

 

[Craft Beer Lover]

Clarke, Parent, Lindros, Hextall IMO

1st 3 are locked in, 4th is debatable.

Hextall, LOL.

He cost them at least one Stanley Cup in the ‘90’s, maybe two. Go look at the fifth game of the 1995 Eastern Conference Finals against the Devils with the score tied 2-2 with less than two minutes in the 3rd period, and observe the Claude Lemieux goal from right outside the Flyers’ blue line. Absolute horrific.

No, but your argument as “best left winger of his era” doesn’t hold as much weight if his competition for that spot isn’t strong.

One can’t help the era in which they play. How does the great Claude Giroux match up against the centers of his era??

 

[Regal]

Hextall, LOL.

He cost them at least one Stanley Cup in the ‘90’s, maybe two. Go look at the fifth game of the 1995 Eastern Conference Finals against the Devils with the score tied 2-2 with less than two minutes in the 3rd period, and observe the Claude Lemieux goal from right outside the Flyers’ blue line. Absolute horrific.


One can’t help the era in which they play. How does the great Claude Giroux match up against the centers of his era??

Centres are a deeper crew which is why comparing best left wing and a top 10 centre of respective eras is difficult. My point was merely that best left wing of his era is hard to quantify in a comparison and part of that is the competition at each position, but apparently you’d rather laugh like a clown than have a discussion so have at ‘er

 

[Boreal01]

Not surprised at your analysis, being that you looked up his counting statistics, rather than having actually watched him play. He was indeed the best left wing of his era which included Rick Martin, Steve Shutt, and Clark Gillies, and was a two-way and possession wiz. Giroux, not so much.

This is a pretty bold claim to make considering he had as many (or fewer) 1st AST finishes as all 3 of them

 

[Craft Beer Lover]

Centres are a deeper crew which is why comparing best left wing and a top 10 centre of respective eras is difficult. My point was merely that best left wing of his era is hard to quantify in a comparison and part of that is the competition at each position, but apparently you’d rather laugh like a clown than have a discussion so have at ‘er

I forgot...you’re an EXPERT.

I must say, you Claude Giroux apologists are so quite amusing! All this effort to build up a guy who, as captain, led his team to the playoffs a whopping 4 seasons out of 11.

 

[Candyman]

Clarke, Hextall, Lindros, Giroux with an HM to Parent.