Proposal: PHI-NSH-BUF 3-way

[Sabreality]

summer doldrumz shake shake shake it up...who wins, who loses, tell me how terrible this is.

PHI: RD Rasmus Ristolainen & LW/RW Viktor Arvidsson
NSH: RD Shayne Gostisbehere & C/RW Samson Reinhart
BUF: RD Ryan Ellis & LW/RW Travis Konecny + Cap Dump Jori Lehtera

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[TheWolfOfBroadStreet]

help me understand why on earth philly would do this.

 

[duffy9748]

Value could be evened out a bit but it’s interesting. I think Philly would pass though.

 

[Hockeyholic]

help me understand why on earth philly would do this.

Risto is better than Ghost imo.

 

[Starat327]

Philly wants dinner and a promise that youll call tomorrow before all of that.

 

[Starat327]

Risto is better than Ghost imo.

I know they cant be, but your opinion is just wrong. Like, really, really wrong.

Ghost's underrating on this board is phenomenal.

 

[FlyTimmo]

Ouch... we downgrade on defense and lose our 21 year old 50 point winger

 

[Sabreality]

I know they cant be, but your opinion is just wrong. Like, really, really wrong.

Ghost's underrating on this board is phenomenal.

and Ristos isnt? 45pt guy on a crap team, his numbers will approach Ghosts on a good team, with more snarl.

 

[TheWolfOfBroadStreet]

Risto is better than Ghost imo.

Would you mind expanding further on this? I am having a hard time coming to reason with this opinion.

 

[Starat327]

and Ristos isnt? 45pt guy on a crap team, his numbers will approach Ghosts on a good team, with more snarl.

I like risto, and would love to add him. But his value is nowhere near Ghost.

 

[Sabreality]

Ouch... we downgrade on defense and lose our 21 year old 50 point winger

debateable...and Arvidsson is on a killer contract.

 

[TheWolfOfBroadStreet]

debateable...and Arvidsson is on a killer contract.

and TK is making 890k and Ghost is arguably on one of the best contracts in the NHL. Its not that I dont like the players offered, they are good players, and arvidsson is on a good contract as you mentioned. However, none of those players I would want over the players you are trying to acquire from us.

Also, including Lehtera as a "well theyll give up more value if they can get rid of Lehtera" is really not a selling point given that we have cap and he can be buried until bought out/contract expires.

 

[GeauxPreds1]

I don't see why Nashville does this. Arvi is important to Nashville and he plays every role. And 4.5 million for the next 7 years is pretty awesome too

 

[FlyTimmo]

debateable...and Arvidsson is on a killer contract.

It really isn't.

And Arvidsson is nice. But, Konecny is only marginally worse at the moment and is 4 years younger.

 

[Sabreality]

and TK is making 890k and Ghost is arguably on one of the best contracts in the NHL. Its not that I dont like the players offered, they are good players, and arvidsson is on a good contract as you mentioned. However, none of those players I would want over the players you are trying to acquire from us.

Also, including Lehtera as a "well theyll give up more value if they can get rid of Lehtera" is really not a selling point given that we have cap and he can be buried until bought out/contract expires.

yeah thats fair enough, and I only added Lehtera due to cap money in/out

 

[GHJimmy]

 

[ponder719]

Yeah, I love Ristolainen, but this is terrible for Philly.

 

[Dr Quincy]

and Ristos isnt? 45pt guy on a crap team, his numbers will approach Ghosts on a good team, with more snarl.

Some players put up more pts on a crap team than on a good team because they see a reduced role. On PHI Risto wouldn't see as much PP time with Provorov and possibly 4 Fs.

And more snarl is nice. But better hockey IQ, positioning, reads, breakout pass, mobility is even better.

 

[Starat327]

Some players put up more pts on a crap team than on a good team because they see a reduced role. On PHI Risto wouldn't see as much PP time with Provorov and possibly 4 Fs.

And more snarl is nice. But better hockey IQ, positioning, reads, breakout pass, mobility is even better.

If Ghost were moved, Sanheim would probably get the first look on PP1 - Provorov didnt look too hot on PP2, but then again, nobody looks good on our PP2. We'd also probably limit his minutes there just so we dont wear him down. He played 24 mins a night with not much PP time, increasing that probably isnt the best for him.

Your point stands though. Risto wouldnt be on our top PP, most likely.

 

[AtlantaWhaler]

I see zero motivation for Nashville to consider this as well.

 

[Porter Stoutheart]

It definitely doesn't look good for Philly to me.

But I wouldn't do it from the Preds side either. We like Ellis. We love Arvidsson. I don't see any need to switch Ellis for Ghost on our side... love the cap hit on Ellis this year, and he has a leadership role and it's not like we need left shot D more than right (even if Ghost plays right side)... things already balance nicely with Ek/Josi and PK/Ellis... so there is no motivation for a switch on the D side. So however close that side of things might be in isolation on the D, there is totally no interest whatsoever from Nashville on the Reinhart/Arvidsson side of things, that is a dealbreaker for sure.

 

[Starat327]

It definitely doesn't look good for Philly to me.

But I wouldn't do it from the Preds side either. We like Ellis. We love Arvidsson. I don't see any need to switch Ellis for Ghost on our side... love the cap hit on Ellis this year, and he has a leadership role and it's not like we need left shot D more than right... things already balance nicely with Ek/Josi and PK/Ellis... so there is no motivation for a switch on the D side. So however close that side of things might be in isolation on the D, there is totally no interest whatsoever from Nashville on the Reinhart/Arvidsson side of things, that is a dealbreaker for sure.

Right - this deal doesnt fit nashville since Ghost is a LHD but plays exceptionally better on the right. Bad fit all around.

 

[Lateralous]

well, at least Buffalo gets better.

 

[Jray42]

NO.

That's a horrendous proposal.

 

[Sabresruletheschool]

I know they cant be, but your opinion is just wrong. Like, really, really wrong.

Ghost's underrating on this board is phenomenal.

So is Risto's