Randall Graves*
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Phanuef has not been overlooked at all. he receives plenty of praise and deserves it.
Brent Seabrook is the rookie who get's overlooked.
Brent Seabrook is the rookie who get's overlooked.
Dogbert said:I'm pretty sure he means the second-youngest rookie defenseman.
Flames Will said:It is a shame that we forget this accomplishment from yet another stellar rookie of 2006 that in almost any other year woudl win the calder trophy as rookie of the year.
Flames Will said:Phaneuf is perhaps the best defenseman at his age since Ray Bourque and if he continues his growth and development, maybe he will be the best defenseman since Bobby Orr - who knows and oonly time will tell...
Flames Will said:I find it interesting that in a year so deeply laden with rookie talents.. that there is one overlooked accomplishment which is even more rare then Ovechkin getting 50 goals or both Ovechkin and Crosby netting 100 points.... Phaneuf has reached 2 milestones this evening.
1. The 3rd ever rookie defenseman to reach 20 goals in a season - in itself more rare the rookie 50 goal scorers
2. Having been born on April 3, 1985 and having JUST turned 21 - he became the 2nd youngest Rookie to ever score 20 goals in a season and if I am not mistaken the third youngest defensman ever to score 20 goals. (Ray Bourque scored 27 goals as a 20 year old) Barry Beck scored 22 goals as a 20 year old as well (but his birthday was in June) Phaneuf is 2 months older then Beck when he scored his 20th.
So while Ovechkin and Crosby get theri well deserved praise for such incredable feats... And Henrik Lundqvist continues to marvel in the net for the rangers as a rookie.. It is a shame that we forget this accomplishment from yet another stellar rookie of 2006 that in almost any other year woudl win the calder trophy as rookie of the year. Phaneuf is perhaps the best defenseman at his age since Ray Bourque and if he continues his growth and development, maybe he will be the best defenseman since Bobby Orr - who knows and oonly time will tell...
Seachd said:20 goals, as a rookie, as a defenseman, on a team that doesn't score goals is very impressive.
Pizza said:Bottom line:
There is no GM, Player or fan that would not want Dion Phaneuf on their team.
trippyime said:I still don't believe it.
Nielson81 said:The Flames give Phanuef ever chance to score goals....lots of d-men would have 20 goals if the puck was set up like that for them every night.
Not to take anything away from him, great season.
phaneuf_fan_3 said:Lots of dmen would? then why doesnt regher or another flames dman.....sure they use phaneuf on the PP but the kid has an absolute cannon for a shot.....clearly you dont put much into that and his shot really is top notch.
phaneuf_fan_3 said:Lots of dmen would? then why doesnt regher or another flames dman.....notch.
Nielson81 said:I think this would explain why no other flames d-man has more then 7 goals.
Shots on goal.
Phanuef - 236
Ference - 107
Regehr - 87
Leopold - 84
Hamrlik - 81
Warrener - 38
So I guess what I'm saying is Phanuef is the only d-man the Flames run their offense through, if they need a point shot, he takes it. So that is why he has 20 goals.
the flames PP revolves around one timers for Phanuef. give any guy with a good slap shot that many attempts and he'll score alot of PP points.phaneuf_fan_3 said:Lots of dmen would? then why doesnt regher or another flames dman.....sure they use phaneuf on the PP but the kid has an absolute cannon for a shot.....clearly you dont put much into that and his shot really is top notch.
phaneuf_fan_3 said:Well I guess the point you miss is this........he is playing on one of the most defensive teams in the NHL........he is playing on a team that is or at least was for most of the season 3rd last in goals scored......he is a rookie Dman.....rookie Dmen rarely have much impact at all let alone anywhere near the impact he has had.
So he has taken 200+ shots......so what? they are from the point......how many other Dmen have 20 goals this season? .
RallyKiller said:the flames PP revolves around one timers for Phanuef. give any guy with a good slap shot that many attempts and he'll score alot of PP points.
First of all, the premise of this thread is ridiculous. He gets tons of press & to suggest he is overlooked in any way , well only the mightiest of Dion fanboys could think that.phaneuf_fan_3 said:I think it is ridiculous to think many dmen would have put up 20 goals in Phaneuf's shoes this season as a rookie or otherwise........don't forget he is a rookie......and he did start the season getting about 10 mins per game and not on the 1st pp unit.....it wasnt until well into the season after him playing ridiculously good that he got such opportunities.
champben2002 said:I don't see how Flames fans do not grasp that his goal total is exagerated by his role on the Flames. .
I sure hope you dont believe this cause if you do, your credibility imo takes a bit of a hit.Dallas Flames Fan said:same logic and I think Spezza is tottally overated. His points totally come from his role on the team and who he is playing with. The guy is useless if he plays with the Shean Donovans of the world.
Sammy said:I sure hope you dont believe this cause if you do, your credibility imo takes a bit of a hit.
"Useless" is a little more pejorative than "exaggerated".
As well, I think anyone who gets tons of pp time should have lots more points than those who get alot less.
Do you disagree?