Peter Bondra, hockey hall of fame?

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...an excellent two-way player and didn't take any short-cuts on the ice...
I think this is true, but also sort of ironic, because my impression of Bondra was that his two-way utility stemmed from his ability to get from place to place in a straight line with no effing around. No big lazy swoops for Bondra, just the good kind of short cuts.
 

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Adjusted Goals per game for players with 500+ Actual Goals scored

1. Ovechkin 0.70
T-2. Lemieux 0.67
T-2. Richard 0.67
T-4. Bossy 0.61
T-4. Bobby Hull 0.61
6. Brett Hull 0.58
T-7. Howe 0.52
T-7. Esposito 0.52
T-9. Beliveau 0.51
T-9. Selanne 0.51
T-9. Gretzky 0.51
T-9. Bondra 0.51

T-13. Tkachuk 0.49
T-13. Jagr 0.49
T-15. Sakic 0.47
T-15. Mahovlich 0.47
 

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Even though he was one of my favourite players I say no.

I'm more surprised that his number is not in the rafters.
 

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He seems like a clear choice to me. 500 goals, two Rockets and a unique playstyle.
Not biased either way but his 2002 WC win should also be put into consideration. A very difficult title to achieve for such a tiny nation. Scored the winning goal against both Canada and Russia.
 
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Wasn’t considered elite when he played. Never mentioned on any top ten lists when ranking players. Never traded to a top team at TDL, never a sought after FA. Low 80s overall stats in EA NHL games. Arguing for him in the HOF is like arguing for Turgeon or Osgood. You can cherry pick stats and try to build the case, but we who actually remember shrug our heads and roll our eyes
 

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I always liked Bondra, but honestly, I just don't see the argument in his favor. Yes, I know he led the league in goals twice, but he was never any higher than fourth in all-star voting at the same time, and that doesn't feel like a travesty. There is the 500 goal plateau, but honestly, so what? HHOF inductions shouldn't be based on reaching some arbitrary plateau.
 

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Wasn’t considered elite when he played. Never mentioned on any top ten lists when ranking players. Never traded to a top team at TDL, never a sought after FA. Low 80s overall stats in EA NHL games. Arguing for him in the HOF is like arguing for Turgeon or Osgood. You can cherry pick stats and try to build the case, but we who actually remember shrug our heads and roll our eyes

You have a very different memory of him than I do.

The guy led the league in goals twice on a very mediocre team, scoring at a 52 goal pace over a five year period, and you didn’t consider him elite?

There were a lot of very good goal scorers in the NHL from 1995-1999. Peter Bondra had the highest goals-per-game during that period besides Mario Lemieux. Yes, ahead of Jagr and Selanne and Bure and Sakic and all the rest. And it’s validated by his being only 6 goals off of #1 for the raw total during that timeframe — it’s not like he had inflated numbers from missing a bunch of time, he was out there contending in goalscoring races regularly.

Those are not cherry picked stats, it’s legitimately impressive to produce at that level for so long. I very much remember him being viewed as the league’s most underrated star.
 
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Absolutely. He's a legend over here.

i want to hear more about slovaks and their appreciation of bondra

from my perspective, palffy, gaborik, demitra, those guys were all better than him. but if his country thinks he's the guy, the way sweden thinks about mats sundin, that's interesting than "objectively ranking" guys. and i want to know why.
 

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You have a very different memory of him than I do.

The guy led the league in goals twice on a very mediocre team, scoring at a 52 goal pace over a five year period, and you didn’t consider him elite?

There were a lot of very good goal scorers in the NHL from 1995-1999. Peter Bondra had the highest goals-per-game during that period besides Mario Lemieux. Yes, ahead of Jagr and Selanne and Bure and Sakic and all the rest. And it’s validated by his being only 6 goals off of #1 for the raw total during that timeframe — it’s not like he had inflated numbers from missing a bunch of time, he was out there contending in goalscoring races regularly.

Those are not cherry picked stats, it’s legitimately impressive to produce at that level for so long. I very much remember him being viewed as the league’s most underrated star.
None of this is wrong.

At the same time I think it's possible to be considered elite at one aspect of the game, but not elite overall as a player. Bondra can be argued as the extreme end of that.

It's similar to how players like Peca or Lethinen are heralded as elite defensive centers, but no one's putting them on a top 10 players of the year list.
 
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None of this is wrong.

At the same time I think it's possible to be considered elite at one aspect of the game, but not elite overall as a player. Bondra can be argued as the extreme end of that.

It's similar to how players like Peca or Lethinen are heralded as elite defensive centers, but no one's putting them on a top 10 players of the year list.

I mean if we’re talking top 10 overall players, at least 3-4 are naturally going to be centers, and most people are going to list at least 2 defensemen and 2 goalies (certainly during the Hasek/Roy/Brodeur era that was necessary). That goes you 2-3 spots for wingers. From that era, you automatically go Jagr/Selanne/Kariya and you’re done. I don’t see it as a huge knock on Bondra that he can’t get on that list, considering Pavel Bure doesn’t make it either. It was just a strong era with a lot of established stars from different eras overlapping.

If you look at All Star ballots from that time period (imperfect, I know) Bondra was very consistently in the 4-6 range among RWs:

- Jagr was the no-contest #1
- Selanne was the consensus #2
- There was no clear cut #3/4, but a rotating cast of guys who had big years. At any given time it might be Fleury, Mogilny, Palffy, Amonte, Bure, Hull.

The tricky thing is, Bondra had a better body of work than any of those guys in the third category. I think it’s fully legitimate to call him the 3rd best RW of the late 90s — which isn’t quite good enough for a top-10 list, but is certainly good enough to be considered “elite” and at least given a thought for the HHOF.
 

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i want to hear more about slovaks and their appreciation of bondra

from my perspective, palffy, gaborik, demitra, those guys were all better than him. but if his country thinks he's the guy, the way sweden thinks about mats sundin, that's interesting than "objectively ranking" guys. and i want to know why.
From NT perspective, he was far better than Gáborík (essentially he was a better version of him that also knew how to defend reasonably well) and the anti-Demitra (i.e. he led us to victories whereas Demitra led us to choke jobs). Pálffy was more skilled but with him being barely capable of stringing two words together, I think Bondra was more popular.
 
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i want to hear more about slovaks and their appreciation of bondra

from my perspective, palffy, gaborik, demitra, those guys were all better than him. but if his country thinks he's the guy, the way sweden thinks about mats sundin, that's interesting than "objectively ranking" guys. and i want to know why.

IMHO ranking from the point of view of a casual fan of Slovak hockey. I mean now the group of people who just about watch the WCH every year and that's the only hockey they watch/follow in a year. Now this championship is pretty mainstream in Slovakia, transcends the usual sports/hockey fan demographic.

1. Miroslav Satan
2. Pavol Demitra
3. Peter Bondra

Number 2 and number 3 are very close. Demitra perhaps passes Bondra here because of his tragic death and the way he elevated our team in Vancouver 2020. Absolutely the MVP of that tournament.

Zdeno Chara, Marian Hossa would be ranked lower despite being superior hockey players to Bondra. Bondra is seen as the golden boy, the man of the hour who scored the game winning goal vs Russia in the finals. Only surpassed by Satan's captaincy of the Slovak national team.

Gaborik and Palffy would also be ranked lower, even though Palffy was also one of the engines of that gold medal winning team. Success with the national team is a giant factor when judging the popularity (greatness) of a hockey player by the more casual fans of the sport (who are always a majority).
 

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From NT perspective, he was far better than Gáborík (essentially he was a better version of him that also knew how to defend reasonably well) and the anti-Demitra (i.e. he led us to victories whereas Demitra led us to choke jobs). Pálffy was more skilled but with him being barely capable of stringing two words together, I think Bondra was more popular.
Palffy was my 2nd favorite player for many years as a kid, I've seen this said before but never seen it expanded upon. Was he known to be exceptionally dumb? Any anecdotes?

I mean if we’re talking top 10 overall players, at least 3-4 are naturally going to be centers, and most people are going to list at least 2 defensemen and 2 goalies (certainly during the Hasek/Roy/Brodeur era that was necessary). That goes you 2-3 spots for wingers. From that era, you automatically go Jagr/Selanne/Kariya and you’re done. I don’t see it as a huge knock on Bondra that he can’t get on that list, considering Pavel Bure doesn’t make it either. It was just a strong era with a lot of established stars from different eras overlapping.

If you look at All Star ballots from that time period (imperfect, I know) Bondra was very consistently in the 4-6 range among RWs:

- Jagr was the no-contest #1
- Selanne was the consensus #2
- There was no clear cut #3/4, but a rotating cast of guys who had big years. At any given time it might be Fleury, Mogilny, Palffy, Amonte, Bure, Hull.

The tricky thing is, Bondra had a better body of work than any of those guys in the third category. I think it’s fully legitimate to call him the 3rd best RW of the late 90s — which isn’t quite good enough for a top-10 list, but is certainly good enough to be considered “elite” and at least given a thought for the HHOF.
I loved Bondra, he was one of my favorite players. And in a world where Carbonneau and Lowe are in the hof I can certainly see the argument, but seeing the way that he would often become irrelevant in the playoffs, and how mercurial his game was at times, I think he's hall of very good and I think if you ask yourself honestly, you'd probably agree.
 

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I mean if we’re talking top 10 overall players, at least 3-4 are naturally going to be centers, and most people are going to list at least 2 defensemen and 2 goalies (certainly during the Hasek/Roy/Brodeur era that was necessary). That goes you 2-3 spots for wingers. From that era, you automatically go Jagr/Selanne/Kariya and you’re done. I don’t see it as a huge knock on Bondra that he can’t get on that list, considering Pavel Bure doesn’t make it either. It was just a strong era with a lot of established stars from different eras overlapping.

If you look at All Star ballots from that time period (imperfect, I know) Bondra was very consistently in the 4-6 range among RWs:

- Jagr was the no-contest #1
- Selanne was the consensus #2
- There was no clear cut #3/4, but a rotating cast of guys who had big years. At any given time it might be Fleury, Mogilny, Palffy, Amonte, Bure, Hull.

The tricky thing is, Bondra had a better body of work than any of those guys in the third category. I think it’s fully legitimate to call him the 3rd best RW of the late 90s — which isn’t quite good enough for a top-10 list, but is certainly good enough to be considered “elite” and at least given a thought for the HHOF.
The guy led the league in goals twice on a very mediocre team

Joe Juneau led the 94–95 Capitals in PPG over Bondra, both with the same amount of points but Juneau in a couple of fewer games. So yeah while his team wasn't a powerhouse, he still didn't even out-point his own line-mate that particular season.

Bondra had tremendous wheels and a nice shot, and was a very good player in his own niche, but I think strictly looking at RS goals scored over a particular window of time, and then trying to compare him to guys like say Bure, misses a ton of context. I think it's the same type of exercise where some people look at Fedorov's RS scoring in the late 90s and then reaches the conclusion that he either A) fell off a cliff, or B) stopped caring.

Bondra just had a playing style where he didn't engage himself a lot physically, and in a DPE context that saved him from a lot of injuries, and injuries can affect GPG in both directions if you have someone playing through it, and a lot of guys played through injuries around that time. Look at Neely where he got injured and didn't score a goal in his last 5 games of the 93–94 season, or Bure between 1995–1997 playing with knee and whiplash/neck injuries.

Jagr, Selänne, Bure and Kariya were significantly better than Bondra. Mogilny's best was also significantly better, but he also suffered serious injuries (broken leg) and was inconsistent. I think Fleury was better overall than Bondra. Neely probably too, at least in an NHL context, though I think he's still a bit overrated by some people. IMO Bondra comes along in the Keith Tkachuk group of players, also a guy who led the league in goal scoring once. I personally prefer Bondra in front of someone like Tkachuk, but I'm pretty low on Tkachuk. Markus Näslund is another name that pops up, but Näslund was more well-rounded.
 

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Palffy was my 2nd favorite player for many years as a kid, I've seen this said before but never seen it expanded upon. Was he known to be exceptionally dumb? Any anecdotes?
Allegedly for quite a while his vocabulary in English consisted exclusively of 'f***' and then slowly expanded to other related expressions. But I don't know if that's so exceptional for a hockey player.
 
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but if his country thinks he's the guy, the way sweden thinks about mats sundin

I think most Swedes would probably still agree with the NA narrative that Forsberg was better than Sundin, or at least more offensively talented, but it's just that Sundin was amazing internationally and their leadership qualities/hockey personas were night and day. Sundin was this big calm stoic captain guy, and Forsberg was this grumpy guy who openly sulked after losses and threatened to beat up referees.

Which is perhaps a bit ironic because I think post-career Forsberg's been on the telly as this soft-spoken color guy, whereas Sundin is nowhere to be seen.
 

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Allegedly for quite a while his vocabulary in English consisted exclusively of 'f***' and then slowly expanded to other related expressions. But I don't know if that's so exceptional for a hockey player.
Listening to him he just sounds a little drunk in his interviews although he probably isn't. Hasek always seemed a bit dumb to me. Doesn't mean they actually were though.
 

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Listening to him he just sounds a little drunk in his interviews although he probably isn't. Hasek always seemed a bit dumb to me. Doesn't mean they actually were though.
Hašek actually has a degree in pedagogy and playing at international tournaments with Czechoslovakia interviewed other world-class netminders for his final thesis on the psychological profile of a goaltender.
 
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Hašek actually has a degree in pedagogy and playing at international tournaments with Czechoslovakia interviewed other world-class netminders for his final thesis on the psychological profile of a goaltender.
Interesting. He does sound quite dumb in his Czech interviews though and it's not just my conclusion.
 

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how many assists?? oh yeah that's right. not even close. getzlaf or Marchand are better
 

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