Post-Game Talk: | Pens vs Wings | OTL | Jake shakes for everyone!

[Rave7215]

Missed the game, seems like their 5v5 scoring has evaporated the last few games.

But more importantly, Other E.G. Honey Mustard/Chic-fil-A sauce for the nuggets.

 

[Darren McCord]

The line shuffle happened at the start of the 2nd and before the penalty, no?

And yeah, Sully's not completely fair... but I'd also argue that given his history and quotes, what earns the benching generally isn't big mistakes, it's an accumulation of small mistakes. You make one big mistake but are doing the small things right, maybe you can get it back. You keep making the small mistakes, you're probably not going to make a positive impact. And I'm guessing it's the standard set out in the room.

Also... tbh, what message we think he should be trying to send here? That you must absolutely give your best performance in a borderline irrelevant game, even if it wears down your fitness? Make absolutely no mistakes, which stifles creativity and playing with an edge?

Way I see it, if Mike Sullivan is demanding perfection now he's not going to get it in the playoffs. Physically and mentally, they can't sustain perfection for the next 65 games. His job right now is a balancing act between not letting too many bad habits creep in and not burning them out. Going hard on the collective on a back to back at the end of January? I don't think that's actually productive for him and I don't think the gain is worth it. The one point squandered tonight is unlikely to affect our playoff odds very much.

If this was March and we were 20 games from the playoffs, I'd feel different.

Incorrect tho. Simon and Zar were elevated to play with carter after the penalty. Kap was playing with Heinen and carter after being demoted.

And who knows what his message is. That’s the issue. He only picks on certain players. He should be helping players figure out there game. Not demoting certain players for bad place while others can suck and have no consequences.

the issue is that he holds players to different standards and then people wonder when they struggle.

 

[metalan2]

Put Erod back at center already

GCR
Heinen - Geno - Carter
McGinn - Erod - kap
Zohorna - Boyle - garbage

This exactly.

 

[Tender Rip]

I heard that no other team in the NHL gets tired or has injuries. It's just the Pens and it's not fair!

Did you also hear that Pens are 4th in the league? 7th in win percentage.

Do we suck if we are not dominating like Colorado or Canes?

Cup is won in January?

 

[Tender Rip]

The reason I get so pissed when they throw away points and play like garbage is that I know it's gonna hurt their seed and bite them in the ass come PO time. The difference between 1st in the Metro and facing TB or CAR as a wild card is gonna be like 5 points. These points and games matter.

You get pissed and throw tantrums after every loss. No matter how we play .

 

[Sidney the Kidney]

----- Glass half empty: Pens lost to two mediocre teams

+++++ Glass half full: Both games went to OT and if you're going to lose, at least get a point out of it.

 

[DearDiary]

Hey guys just a heads up, im in the market to buy a majority stake of an NHL team. Once this goes through in the next 10 years I will be hiring Ragamuffin as GM. illpucks will be named President of Hockey Operations. We will proudly hold the record for worst record ever in the NHLs history.

Is Elon Musk going to wash your uniforms? The audacity of this guy to assume that someone of @Ragamuffin Gunner's stature would accept your petty GM position. So sad and very disrespectful

 

[Gurglesons]

Latest PDOCast is a great listen for why Murray’s game fell apart @Honour Over Glory

 

[TheSniper26]

I heard that no other team in the NHL gets tired or has injuries. It's just the Pens and it's not fair!

Yes, and no other top teams lose games to teams below them in the standings.

No other top teams ever get bailed out by good goaltending.

No other top teams ever find ways to win despite getting outshot or out-chanced.

Just the f***ing pathetic loser Pens. Let’s all throw angsty teen tantrums after every loss!!

 

[Honour Over Glory]

Latest PDOCast is a great listen for why Murray’s game fell apart @Honour Over Glory

Where would I find said cast of pods?

I always suspected arrogance and a lack of willingness to adapt/adjust.

 

[Gurglesons]

Where would I find said cast of pods?

I always suspected arrogance and a lack of willingness to adapt/adjust.

The Hockey PDOcast

The guy Dimtri talks to has been on a couple of pods. Great goalie mind and really gets to the gritty details. pretty cool to hear how PIT redefined the league after the B2B and Murray and Sully pretty much got out Kung Fu’d by the Caps in 2018.

 

[Honour Over Glory]

The Hockey PDOcast

The guy Dimtri talks to has been on a couple of pods. Great goalie mind and really gets to the gritty details. pretty cool to hear how PIT redefined the league after the B2B and Murray and Sully pretty much got out Kung Fu’d by the Caps in 2018.

You mean when they got Trotz'd the first time out of the 3 times since the cups?

Edit: I'm giving it a listen right now. Thanks.

 

[CascadiaPenguin]

We gotta win against teams like these. Tougher competition upcoming.

Have you met the Penguins?

 

[Gurglesons]

You mean when they got Trotz'd the first time out of the 3 times since the cups?

Edit: I'm giving it a listen right now. Thanks.

The Penguins in 2017 implemented a strategy of waiting out for the perfect shot which has widely been covered to combat why public analytic models failed to show how they were winning.

Caps have utilized that method for years and is a big reason why they look bad in terms of expected numbers, but good in raw data.

Murray was the perfect goaltender for high volume
shooting but as the league has become more creative and skilled his game feel off.

 

[Daeni10]

My mind is always telling me to block certain 2 posters as they bring aboslutely nothing to a discussion besides being pissy about stuff without backing up their arguments with anything. But then there is this voice inside me that just really dislikes blocking posters on message boards. I'm torn guys

 

[Honour Over Glory]

The Penguins in 2017 implemented a strategy of waiting out for the perfect shot which has widely been covered to combat why public analytic models failed to show how they were winning.

Caps have utilized that method for years and is a big reason why they look bad in terms of expected numbers, but good in raw data.

Murray was the perfect goaltender for high volume
shooting but as the league has become more creative and skilled his game feel off.

I think Murray over time might figure it out as yes he's changed his stance but he's at the point where his confidence, etc will eventually be the reason. I liked there Mason analogy in an unrelated issue for goalies.

I'm 40~mins in, they really don't think much of Jarry huh? Not mentioned once so far.

The cups, we all said it at the time that this was never going to be sustainable and that teams were figuring it out near the end of the second cup. I know we all discussed it here and knew that was going to hurt us and it's why I kept saying Sully didn't adjust. He's adjusted to Jarry this year but those old habits have reared their ugly head recently.

 

[Gurglesons]

I think Murray over time might figure it out as yes he's changed his stance but he's at the point where his confidence, etc will eventually be the reason. I liked there Mason analogy in an unrelated issue for goalies.

I'm 40~mins in, they really don't think much of Jarry huh? Not mentioned once so far.

The cups, we all said it at the time that this was never going to be sustainable and that teams were figuring it out near the end of the second cup. I know we all discussed it here and knew that was going to hurt us and it's why I kept saying Sully didn't adjust. He's adjusted to Jarry this year but those old habits have reared their ugly head recently.

Woodley has been talking Jarry up since he was drafted actually.

I think it is more Dimitri focuses on what he likes in hockey on his podcast. Jarry has been great, but he isn’t a very exciting net minder and I’m not sure the Pens are a super exciting team unless we are firing on all cylinders. We’re like the 08-09 Wings at this point.

 

[Honour Over Glory]

My mind is always telling me to block certain 2 posters as there are aboslutely bring nothing to a discussion besides being pissy about stuff without backing up their arguments with anything. But then there is this voice inside me that just really dislikes blocking posters on message boards. I'm torn guys

I've blocked a few and the board just feels better to me. I'll hug my Sully body pillow in solace for ignoring some muppets that added nothing to the convo because since blocking them, I've noticed I've never really missed a single thing from them.

 

[Honour Over Glory]

Woodley has been talking Jarry up since he was drafted actually.

I meant more so in this podcast. As they they talk about Demko, Markstrom, Huuso, Binnington, Saros, Sheshterkin, Gibson, etc.

 

[Honour Over Glory]

That was an enjoyable podcast though, thanks mate @Gurglesons

I didn't know Dimitri Filipovic was From Vancouver. I see it makes sense now why so many of the podcast has so much Vancouver crap. I'll skip those.

 

[Crosbyfan]

And if you're a part of the "they're tired" crowd, then we're f***ed in March if this is how they handle it now.

If we can't peak now...and hold it for the rest of the regular season...we're f***ed?

 

[Zirakzigil]

My mind is always telling me to block certain 2 posters as there are aboslutely bring nothing to a discussion besides being pissy about stuff without backing up their arguments with anything. But then there is this voice inside me that just really dislikes blocking posters on message boards. I'm torn guys

Welcome to the joyful existence of being a mod.

 

[Smasher]

Yay, "first in Metro"!

Crosby is on a heater which is nice to see. Geno on the other hand seems to fumble with the puck a lot lately, I guess he's tired... Good game from CDS!

 

[AlphaMikeFoxtrots]

Seems it's been a good couple days to not be able to pay real close attention.

I want to see how they look when they've gotten more practice in over the relatively softer February schedule. The last time they had two days off that didn't involve significant travel was the beginning of the month.

Granted, they barely played in December, but this month has been a really tight schedule with a lot of travel.

 

[OtherThingsILike]

As far as the poll goes, I picked ketchup, but 'other' is the right answer - specifically, Ranch dressing.

Now 17/21. Again losing one game of these two I can stomach, but the schedule is about to get much harder.

Nah. The February schedule after the All-Star break will actually be easier than the schedule we're having now.
It's March that we need to worry about.

My man you're being obtuse. I fear you're trying to argue something with me that's aside from what I'm saying.

Fans like to use the excuse for a loss "they were just tired". Every NHL team goes through back to backs and a rigorous schedule. We didn't lose because we were tired is my whole point.

Matheson's blunder...was that from fatigue?
Simon's hook...fatigue?

It's a lazy excuse. I shouldn't need to explain this though....

You should probably look up what the record is for any team that's on the second half of a back-to-back and is facing a rested opponent. The tired team doesn't win very often.