Pekka Rinne the most unclutch goalie ever?

[SharksCyclops]

Someone mentioned this on the first page, but definitely Nabby for the Sharks and his terrible Olympics. I felt really bad, Sad Nabby is worst Nabby.

 

[Eyeseeing]

a beach ball can't sneak through a 2 inch opening between the pad and the post...... wasn't his fault, jets were just better

Easy to kick someone when they’re down.
It’s today’s way.
By the way Rinne is still a great goalie.

 

[carter333167]

VH and RVH, while slightly overused and not perfect/unbeatable, are far superior to the old-school methods. Before I started taking lessons, I played the "stand against the post" style because I had no formal instruction on how to be a goalie. Now, I feel so vulnerable when I'm stuck in this stance.

You can see on this diagram from InGoalMag that the shot came from a place where Rinne should have been (and was) in the RVH, rather than standing up. The shot was clearly taken from in front of the goal line, within the blue/purple area where RVH is your best save selection as a modern goaltender.

IMO, Quick is the master of the RVH and really popularized it. Plenty of other goaltenders don't play it as well and are allowing too many short side goals.

 

[General Disarray]

Isn't Brian Elliot one of the worst playoff goalies?

 

[Butch 19]

VH and RVH, while slightly overused and not perfect/unbeatable, are far superior to the old-school methods. Before I started taking lessons, I played the "stand against the post" style because I had no formal instruction on how to be a goalie. Now, I feel so vulnerable when I'm stuck in this stance.

You can see on this diagram from InGoalMag that the shot came from a place where Rinne should have been (and was) in the RVH, rather than standing up. The shot was clearly taken from in front of the goal line, within the blue/purple area where RVH is your best save selection as a modern goaltender.

No it was not. The shot was taken on top of the goal line or 2 or 3 inches parallel to the goal line. Watch the video again, the puck comes in parallel to the goal line - it was not in the purple zone

And from a RVH / VH site, "Many say that this technique is best applied for wraparounds and jam plays close to the posts." Well, this play was no where near being a wraparound or jam shot. What happened here was the Jets have seen Rinne cheat here at the post, they've seen the holes, so they've been coached to shoot short side and low when near the goal line, it just may go it. Well, it did just that.

 

[Karl Eriksson]

That loss is on Rinne. He deflated the team and the building by allowing 2 horrendous early goals due to his own bad play. The team and crowd was flat after that.

 

[Vancouver Canucks]

Gets pulled after allowing two goals. I'm sorry to say, but he seems finished.

 

[Oan]

Ending career to a Vezina-winning season?

 

[aufheben]

Yeah, that goalie that has crazy stats in elimination games and even crazier stats during game 7 games. That goalie who has been the face of the franchise - and the only franchise player - for NYR for over a decade. The guy who has made sure NYR has played the 2nd most playoff game since 2005 in the entire league, where only Pittsburgh is ahead. That guy. Yeah, that loser, lol, who had to be the best player on the ice most games if the team advanced. If.

You mean he lost to Quick, who played pretty bad during the first round and had his team team carry him? The same Quick that was inferior in every single stat to Lundqvist, but had several more franchise players to rely on? You're going on a hipshot here to your counting, I guess? And I mean every stat, such as high quality scoring chances faced and saved. Look it up, Lundqvist was superior to Quick in every stat, even when Quick won the cup with his superior team.

I think you're mistaking Lundqvist with the NYR and the inferior teams they have faced towards the opposition in basically every round, but the one against Atlanta in 12 years.

NYR would never, ever have played the second most playoff games in the league, if it wasn't for the player they based the team around. And you call him a choker? Lol. I've never seen a franchise get carried as hard single handedly by a goalie, as Lundqvist has done to the Rangers, since Hasek carried Buffalo. But Lundqvist came closer. And that's the guy that comes up in your mind when it comes to chokers? Ok. Ridiculous..

Agreed. Also, yeah, just an odd thing to say...

 

[neXis]

Look it up, Lundqvist was superior to Quick in every stat, even when Quick won the cup with his superior team.

Quick:

						Goal						Ice
No.	Player	Pos	Age	GP	DEC	GA	SA	SV	SV%	SO	PIM	TOI	ATOI
32	Jonathan Quick	G	28	5	4-1-0	10	146	136	.932	1	0	368:25	73:41
	Team Total				4-1-0	10	146	136	.932	1	0	368:25	73:41

[thead] [/thead]

Lundqivist:

						Goal						Ice
No.	Player	Pos	Age	GP	DEC	GA	SA	SV	SV%	SO	PIM	TOI	ATOI
30	Henrik Lundqvist	G	31	5	1-4-0	15	194	179	.923	0	0	365:24	73:05
	Team Total				1-4-0	15	194	179	.923	0	0	365:24	73:05

[thead] [/thead]

Revision history much? .932 > .923. 1 SO > 0. I'm not saying Lundqvist is a choker, but he wasn't better than Quick.

 

[Daishi]

he will always be known as a goalie that chokes. decent to good in the regular season but he won't take you where you need to go. he earned it.

”Decent to good”

He wins the Vezina this year guaranteed. I guess the best goalie in the NHL qualifies as”decent”

 

[Vancouver Canucks]

”Decent to good”

He wins the Vezina this year guaranteed. I guess the best goalie in the NHL qualifies as”decent”

Best goalie in the NHL? Have you seen how Hasek, Roy, Luongo, and Brodeur play?

 

[Chimpradamus]

Quick:

						Goal						Ice
No.	Player	Pos	Age	GP	DEC	GA	SA	SV	SV%	SO	PIM	TOI	ATOI
32	Jonathan Quick	G	28	5	4-1-0	10	146	136	.932	1	0	368:25	73:41
	Team Total				4-1-0	10	146	136	.932	1	0	368:25	73:41

[THEAD] [/THEAD]
[TBODY] [/TBODY]

Lundqivist:

						Goal						Ice
No.	Player	Pos	Age	GP	DEC	GA	SA	SV	SV%	SO	PIM	TOI	ATOI
30	Henrik Lundqvist	G	31	5	1-4-0	15	194	179	.923	0	0	365:24	73:05
	Team Total				1-4-0	15	194	179	.923	0	0	365:24	73:05

[THEAD] [/THEAD]
[TBODY] [/TBODY]

Revision history much? .932 > .923. 1 SO > 0. I'm not saying Lundqvist is a choker, but he wasn't better than Quick.

I'm obviously talking about the entire playoffs. .927 > .911 and Lundqvist faced way more high danger scoring chances. If Lundqvist would've played like Quick did in the earlier rounds, NYR would've been out faster than a fart. That's the luxury of playing with several franchise players, his team picked him up.

 

[Vancouver Canucks]

I'm obviously talking about the entire playoffs. .927 > .911 and Lundqvist faced way more high danger scoring chances.

Wasn't obvious to me.

 

[ijuka]

”Decent to good”

He wins the Vezina this year guaranteed. I guess the best goalie in the NHL qualifies as”decent”

Hope he enjoys his Vezina after choking his team out of the playoffs.

 

[HenrikW]

I remember the time when I suggested that Nashville is one "Elite goalie" away from winning the cup. The Rinne-for-Vezina crowd was spewing fire

 

[Fataldogg]

Quick:

						Goal						Ice
No.	Player	Pos	Age	GP	DEC	GA	SA	SV	SV%	SO	PIM	TOI	ATOI
32	Jonathan Quick	G	28	5	4-1-0	10	146	136	.932	1	0	368:25	73:41
	Team Total				4-1-0	10	146	136	.932	1	0	368:25	73:41

[THEAD] [/THEAD]
[TBODY] [/TBODY]

Lundqivist:

						Goal						Ice
No.	Player	Pos	Age	GP	DEC	GA	SA	SV	SV%	SO	PIM	TOI	ATOI
30	Henrik Lundqvist	G	31	5	1-4-0	15	194	179	.923	0	0	365:24	73:05
	Team Total				1-4-0	15	194	179	.923	0	0	365:24	73:05

[THEAD] [/THEAD]
[TBODY] [/TBODY]

Revision history much? .932 > .923. 1 SO > 0. I'm not saying Lundqvist is a choker, but he wasn't better than Quick.

Are you seriously comparing the quality of chances each goaltender faced? Lundqvist is the reason it wasn't a sweep. Kings were VASTLY superior to Rangers.

Each game consisted of the Rangers getting a couple of lucky, early goals, and then getting dominated the last 45-50 minutes of the game.

Lundqvist was the only goalie that post season to put up over a .920 against the juggernaut that was the Kings team. Most goalies struggled to be .890 against the Kings.

Stats need context. .932 is only better than .923 when looking in a vacuum. Quick wasnt better by any stretch of the imagination. You put Lundqvist on that Kings team and Henrik Lundqvist has a Cup now. Teams were not equal.

I guarantee if we looked at corsi, high danger chances, total scoring chances, etc that the Kings had the edge in all categories.

 

[Vancouver Canucks]

Hope he enjoys his Vezina after choking his team out of the playoffs.

Unfair if he wins it, since Luongo choked in the 2011 Finals and lost his Vezina.

 

[Rusty Razor]

Fleury had a streak of four postseasons that were absolutely horrendous and look at what he is doing now. Goalies just don't make sense some times, especially when it comes to small sample sizes.

 

[Fataldogg]

I'm obviously talking about the entire playoffs. .927 > .911 and Lundqvist faced way more high danger scoring chances. If Lundqvist would've played like Quick did in the earlier rounds, NYR would've been out faster than a fart. That's the luxury of playing with several franchise players, his team picked him up.

People only look at raw stats to support their player and never look at anything in context.

Gaborik, Carter, Williams, Kopitar, Doughty, etc were better than any Rangers player in post season and all could have had legitimate claims to Conn Smythe.

On Rangers, Lundqvist was the only one who had a clear claim to a Conn Smythe if they won.

If you only have one player who looks like a Conn Smythe winner, you're not a Cup team. Lundqvist took an above average team to the Finals.

Crosby had Kessel and Malkin. Quick had Kopitar, Gaborik, Doughty, Carter, Williams. This season Capitals have Ovechkin, Holtby, Backstrom, Kuznetsov [no surprise it's their deepest run in 19 years]. Chicago had Kane, Toews, Keith, Crawford.

Rangers had Lundqvist and.... McDonagh? McDonagh was good, but not Conn Smythe good.

 

[Drytoast]

He won game 6. In game 7 preds **** the bed. 1 goal and their defense played more like leafs.

Dude.

 

[IComeInPeace]

The final score was 5-1.
You scored 1 goal in a deciding game!
How come the players on offense aren’t being called out as equally big chokers?
Deciding game and all you can manage is one goal.
That part wasn’t the goalies fault.

 

[Vancouver Canucks]

The final score was 5-1.
You scored 1 goal in a deciding game!
How come the players on offense aren’t being called out as equally big chokers?
Deciding game and all you can manage is one goal.
That part wasn’t the goalies fault.

Well, it happens occasionally. Canucks got shut out in 2011 SCF Game 7.

 

[Drytoast]

No he wasn't.

When you kneel down, you create several openings between you and the post. The puck was shot on a sharp angle to the goal with really nothing to shoot at - there was no need to go low. If Renne had just STOOD UP against the post, it's an easy save.

Im not sure why he went to his knees but he was there and he was hugging that post as good as any goalie

 

[Cleatus]

Hope he enjoys his Vezina after choking his team out of the playoffs.

I know it’s a regular season trophy, but if I were him, I’d still be ashamed of winning it after an epic playoff choke, and would immediately hand it over to Hellebuyck.