Paul Martin

[Malkin Mania LXXI]

Now, before everyone goes off on me about the already made one about his contract...

Me and a buddy were talking about what to do with him after i read about him on bleacher report. I'm still thinking trading him for winger help is the best idea but he is a valuable part of our defense IMO.

So, what do fellow Pens fans think?

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[Sidney BrOSSby*]

I read this once this week.

Is there a different point this time?


I can't figure out what you're getting to.

 

[66-30-33]

Too bad he was not part of the Neal deal.

 

[Sidney BrOSSby*]

Isn't Kunitz enough on the left wing?

 

[Captain Hook]

He can be traded in the right deal but the right deal may be hard to come by given his NTC, the fact he's about to be 34 in a few months and he's a rental that's not a lock to stay with whoever trades for him. Rutherford may have to get very creative with a Martin deal. Possibly lining up a big deal for a winger largely based on futures and flipping Martin to get some of those needed futures to get the deal done.

 

[DoktorZaius]

He can be traded in the right deal but the right deal may be hard to come by given his NTC, the fact he's about to be 34 in a few months and he's a rental that's not a lock to stay with whoever trades for him. Rutherford may have to get very creative with a Martin deal. Possibly lining up a big deal for a winger largely based on futures and flipping Martin to get some of those needed futures to get the deal done.

I love Martin, but this is where I'm at right now. Shero made this a must-do move by not getting anything for either Nisky or Orpik.

 

[Saints11]

If Harrington is what he is advertised, which as has been stated, the next Paul Martin; and the prospect once considered to be on a level higher than Maatta, then he should be able to benefit from playing in the NHL ASAP. Moving Martin is a priority at some point of the season. They cannot afford to let Martin walk without recouping some asset. They are certainly addressing this from a position of strength. We may find something out as early as Tuesday if Maatta returns. I would assume they return to the Letang-Maatta pair; does that put Martin with Erhoff and Scuds with either Despres or Borts. If they maintain the Despres and Erhoff pairing and put Martin with Scuds; it might signal that days are numbered.

 

[Woodrow]

He can be traded in the right deal but the right deal may be hard to come by given his NTC, the fact he's about to be 34 in a few months and he's a rental that's not a lock to stay with whoever trades for him. Rutherford may have to get very creative with a Martin deal. Possibly lining up a big deal for a winger largely based on futures and flipping Martin to get some of those needed futures to get the deal done.

I agree with this. Also the Pens probably don't want to trade Martin for futures to an east contender so that will make finding the right deal even harder. I wish he would have been moved this past off season.

Having said that the Pens simply have too many NHL ready dmen that at least one (and maybe more than one) of them must be moved. I mean Pouliot, Harrington and Dumoulin are in the minors and are all probably ready for the NHL right now and once Maata comes back another NHL dman is going to be in the press box. It will be interesting to see what shakes down.

 

[ObsessedCreative*]

There is no if, and's or but's about it. You trade him for winger help. End of story.

 

[Boocock]

There is no if, and's or but's about it. You trade him for winger help. End of story.

30. New Jersey
29. Philadelphia
28. Nashville
27. NY Islanders
26. Columbus
25. Arizona
24. Calgary
23. Boston
22. Buffalo
21. St. Louis

Those are the worst penalty killing teams in the league. We won't trade Martin within the division, eliminating four of the five worst PK teams in the league (LOL). Nashville is a no-go (doubt they want to make another deal). Arizona is in danger of falling out of the race, meaning they'd want futures. Buffalo is out of the race, meaning they'd want futures.

That leaves three options:
Boston: For Loui Eriksson
Calgary: For Curtis Glencross
St. Louis: For ???

For the record, Washington, New York, Carolina, Dallas, and Florida were the next teams on the list. Seven of the eight teams in the Metropolitan Division are in the bottom half of the penalty killing rankings.

 

[ObsessedCreative*]

30. New Jersey
29. Philadelphia
28. Nashville
27. NY Islanders
26. Columbus
25. Arizona
24. Calgary
23. Boston
22. Buffalo
21. St. Louis

Those are the worst penalty killing teams in the league. We won't trade Martin within the division, eliminating four of the five worst PK teams in the league (LOL). Nashville is a no-go (doubt they want to make another deal). Arizona is in danger of falling out of the race, meaning they'd want futures. Buffalo is out of the race, meaning they'd want futures.

That leaves three options:
Boston: For Loui Eriksson
Calgary: For Curtis Glencross
St. Louis: For ???

For the record, Washington, New York, Carolina, Dallas, and Florida were the next teams on the list. Seven of the eight teams in the Metropolitan Division are in the bottom half of the penalty killing rankings.

Why couldn't or wouldn't we move him in the division, if there is a better return with one of those teams you do it. He is getting old, blocking spots for youth, and is set to be a UFA (in which he might sign in the diction anyways) not moving him and losing him for nothing would be beyond Pejorative Slured, the only to end up see him sign with a team we could have gotten a player or assets from is DOUBLY Pejorative SlurED.

 

[SprootsMasterFlex]

30. New Jersey
29. Philadelphia
28. Nashville
27. NY Islanders
26. Columbus
25. Arizona
24. Calgary
23. Boston
22. Buffalo
21. St. Louis

Those are the worst penalty killing teams in the league. We won't trade Martin within the division, eliminating four of the five worst PK teams in the league (LOL). Nashville is a no-go (doubt they want to make another deal). Arizona is in danger of falling out of the race, meaning they'd want futures. Buffalo is out of the race, meaning they'd want futures.

That leaves three options:
Boston: For Loui Eriksson
Calgary: For Curtis Glencross
St. Louis: For ???

For the record, Washington, New York, Carolina, Dallas, and Florida were the next teams on the list. Seven of the eight teams in the Metropolitan Division are in the bottom half of the penalty killing rankings.

To StLouis for TJ Oshie

 

[Ziggyjoe21]

Doug Murray fetched two 2nd rounders. Martin has at least double the value.

I'm still in the "keep him in Pittsburgh camp" unless there's a deal that blows them away involving an top 6 caliber winger.

Dmen like Martin don't grow on trees and you need him in the playoffs.

 

[Boocock]

Why couldn't or wouldn't we move him in the division, if there is a better return with one of those teams you do it. He is getting old, blocking spots for youth, and is set to be a UFA (in which he might sign in the diction anyways) not moving him and losing him for nothing would be beyond Pejorative Slured, the only to end up see him sign with a team we could have gotten a player or assets from is DOUBLY Pejorative SlurED.

It's better to hold onto Paul Martin than have him be the difference in a second round loss to the Flyers or Islanders.

To StLouis for TJ Oshie

That would be great and Oshie's value is low, but I doubt the Blues take that deal.

 

[WayneSid9987]

I mean, the guy right now that seems the most expendable is Erhoff.
He'd have to waive his NMC but i don't think it's out of the realm of possibility. Especially if the Pens don't deem him worth more years which it's looking like that will be the case. ie. Erhoff gets an inkling that the Pens aren't interested in an extension, i think he'd waive his NMC.

Martin, Erhoff and Scuds.

1 should absolutely be moved and 2 to 3 of them if you don't think this team has the nuts and bolts to challenge for a Cup.

ETA: Or maybe i'm wrong about the clauses in his contract? Thats why i asked in threads but i've never really gotten an answer. Is it just a NMC where he'd have to waive it and then can be traded to any team?

 

[Speaking Moistly]

I mean, the guy right now that seems the most expendable is Erhoff.
He'd have to waive his NMC but i don't think it's out of the realm of possibility. Especially if the Pens don't deem him worth more years which it's looking like that will be the case. ie. Erhoff gets an inkling that the Pens aren't interested in an extension, i think he'd waive his NMC.

Martin, Erhoff and Scuds.

1 should absolutely be moved and 2 to 3 of them if you don't think this team has the nuts and bolts to challenge for a Cup.

If they could move Scuderi, I'd want one of Ehrhoff or Martin kept and if Ehrhoff isn't going to be on PP1 that's a real blow to it being him if the contracts are comparable. That being said, he has an NMC and Scuderi probably won't bring much back, so...

I guess what's going on with the prospects would also be a deciding factor.

ETA: Or maybe i'm wrong about the clauses in his contract? Thats why i asked in threads but i've never really gotten an answer. Is it just a NMC where he'd have to waive it and then can be traded to any team?

I think it's an NMC, but ultimately he can decide which teams he would waive for. So that hurts his value even if he would waive it.

 

[WayneSid9987]

If they could move Scuderi, I'd want one of Ehrhoff or Martin kept and if Ehrhoff isn't going to be on PP1 that's a real blow to it being him if the contracts are comparable. That being said, he has an NMC and Scuderi probably won't bring much back, so...

I guess what's going on with the prospects would also be a deciding factor.

Yea i mean from what i understand from CapGeek, Erhoff has a straight NMC which he'd have to give consent to the team to be traded. If the Pens aren't coming to him for an extension and come to him with the ask to waive his NMC, one would think theres a possibility he would waive it knowing he's not in the Pens' future plans.

He could also just as well say no and pick his spot in FA though.

 

[WayneSid9987]

I think it's an NMC, but ultimately he can decide which teams he would waive for. So that hurts his value even if he would waive it.

Ok i see. Again i think theres a possibility he'd waive though depending on the team. Escpecially if the Pens aren't talking extension with him.

 

[Speaking Moistly]

Yea i mean from what i understand from CapGeek, Erhoff has a straight NMC which he'd have to give consent to the team to be traded. If the Pens aren't coming to him for an extension and come to him with the ask to waive his NMC, one would think theres a possibility he would waive it knowing he's not in the Pens' future plans.

He could also just as well say no and pick his spot in FA though.

Or it could be like Iginla where he decides where he waives it for and the Pens end up with an inferior package. I'd still do it, though. They need to get something for a defenseman and if it isn't Martin then it's got to be Ehrhoff (and, please, Scuderi).

Teams that need defensemen and help on the PP would love Ehrhoff.

 

[drpepper]

I think the "trade Martin" rumors are largely ******** perpetuated by Pittsburgh media and bloggers which fans for whatever reason have decided is the only way to get a top 6 winger.

I wouldn't be surprised if either (a) much like Niskanen and Orpik, Martin is retained for the playoffs as playoff & contending teams don't trade top pairing D and as the return for Martin will not be as good as poster on this board imagine or (b) Martin is re-signed.

Also a three way trade where Martin is flipped for futures is unlikely. When is the last time a trade like that actually happened?

EDIT: I also highly doubt that Scuderi is moved as (1) his contract is bad (2) his age and (3) he's likely valued by the front office in a way that fans will never understand. And Ehrhoff isn't going anywhere. GMJR isn't going to give a NMC and then ask the player on a one year contract to waive. WTF are you all smoking?

 

[WayneSid9987]

Or it could be like Iginla where he decides where he waives it for and the Pens end up with an inferior package. I'd still do it, though. They need to get something for a defenseman and if it isn't Martin then it's got to be Ehrhoff (and, please, Scuderi).

Teams that need defensemen and help on the PP would love Ehrhoff.

Indeed. I mean hypothetically speaking. Contending teams who are struggling on the PP would be the target. Just like Martin(who can PP but is the better defender) but Erhoff should be seen as the better PP specialist. An example would be Minnesota.

Let's say the Pens are not talking to Erhoff about an extension and come to him with a possible trade to Minnesota. I don't think it's that far fetched that he'd waive his NMC for that.

 

[orby]

Is Martin really a top pairing defenseman in the context of this team? Letang and Maatta strike me as the clear top pairing. Martin COULD be a top pairing player, but with a healthy roster, he isn't one for the Pens and i don't think they'd be terribly hesitant to move him.

 

[WayneSid9987]

And Ehrhoff isn't going anywhere. GMJR isn't going to give a NMC and then ask the player on a one year contract to waive. WTF are you all smoking?

Why not?

 

[drpepper]

30. New Jersey
29. Philadelphia
28. Nashville
27. NY Islanders
26. Columbus
25. Arizona
24. Calgary
23. Boston
22. Buffalo
21. St. Louis

Those are the worst penalty killing teams in the league. We won't trade Martin within the division, eliminating four of the five worst PK teams in the league (LOL). Nashville is a no-go (doubt they want to make another deal). Arizona is in danger of falling out of the race, meaning they'd want futures. Buffalo is out of the race, meaning they'd want futures.

That leaves three options:
Boston: For Loui Eriksson
Calgary: For Curtis Glencross
St. Louis: For ???

For the record, Washington, New York, Carolina, Dallas, and Florida were the next teams on the list. Seven of the eight teams in the Metropolitan Division are in the bottom half of the penalty killing rankings.

Loui Eriksson looks like he is done. Maybe he has a bounce back season, but I wouldn't want the Pens to take a chance on him. BOS is also a main conference rival. I can't imagine the Pens would want to trade with them unless it is a homerun hockey trade for a player who doesn't look like ****.

Curtis Glencross although a UFA has a NMC. He loves Calgary, and I would imagine that Calgary is on Martin's list (NJD, CGY, EDM, WPG, ARI, TOR, OTT would be my first guesses for his NTC).

St. Louis doesn't need D and therefore isn't going to give up anything worthwhile for another d-man.

 

[Boocock]

Loui Eriksson looks like he is done. Maybe he has a bounce back season, but I wouldn't want the Pens to take a chance on him. BOS is also a main conference rival. I can't imagine the Pens would want to trade with them unless it is a homerun hockey trade for a player who doesn't look like ****.

Eriksson is in the wrong system.

Curtis Glencross although a UFA has a NMC. He loves Calgary, and I would imagine that Calgary is on Martin's list (NJD, CGY, EDM, WPG, ARI, TOR, OTT would be my first guesses for his NTC).

Would he waive to go there.

St. Louis doesn't need D and therefore isn't going to give up anything worthwhile for another d-man.

Their PK is atrocious.