Patrik Laine III: We’ve got questions, he’s got answers
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I don`t think Laine and Bjorkstrand need playmakers because both of them are really great player. IMHO Bjork is underrated.
What I can judge by my husband (he is Russian), they are very adaptable now, especially if they make Russian friends, they have the opportunity to eat Russian food (delicious by the way, I recommend it). Mother Russia are often different worlds. I love it.
Besides, as I wrote before, Kaprizov came before the season, got used to the conditions, made friends... .As for Laine, maybe I'm wrong, but he reminds me of such a big kid.
IMHO it`s better for him too.
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MissADD
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I don't think he does either. I get the feeling he's critical because he knows Laine can be better.
I get the feeling Portzline does it because he wants it to happen.
Shelley does it because Laine has to be better, last year he didn't meet a baseline pro standard. Guys who plied the 4th line in the NHL know where that standard is.
Who knows what Portzline is thinking but if players tell him they don't want to play with Laine then it's his job to report it. If anything you'd expect the constant drama around a player like this to be a boon for the career of a writer.
CBJWerenski8
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If he`s agree with QO I think it wouldn`t be any problem. Because Pagnotta wrote::
It is questionable when they said it and how many. IMHO it was only someone, because Portzline would love to write that it was most of the players. Besides, it could have been during the season when they didn't trust him. Now it's up to him to gain their trust. Unless of course they trade him. But his value is too low now, GMs will gladly use these problems. That`s why I wouldn`t trade him. But of course Jarmo&JD can have another idea on this situation, they see more.
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I don't know how many of you remember when Laine talked about his strengths a bit more specifically; he said something along the lines that he sees himself to be good at reading the plays and then finding the openings when the play is there. And his shot is also good. But finding the openings doesn't include standing still all the time (but that might be included, if the outcome of a play is uncertain for example). That skill is also neutered quite well if he has to hang too close to the blueline to cover for lost plays in the boards. And also when it's him battling in the corners and boards.
On the other hand that skill also lowers the skill requirement for the playmaker a bit as Laine can find those openings. No need to make mcdavidesque passes to set him up. But it DOES require chemistry and his linemates to understand his way of thinking/playing.
So while I think it would be good for Laine to develop his board game and footwork (first steps and agility, which is what causes him the most troubles in the D-zone as he has to limit his defensive play to blockin the lines, otherwise there's too big of a risk for him to be played out), I still understand that his biggest strength will suffer from it (the boars plays, not footwork and agility).
On the other hand that skill also lowers the skill requirement for the playmaker a bit as Laine can find those openings. No need to make mcdavidesque passes to set him up. But it DOES require chemistry and his linemates to understand his way of thinking/playing.
So while I think it would be good for Laine to develop his board game and footwork (first steps and agility, which is what causes him the most troubles in the D-zone as he has to limit his defensive play to blockin the lines, otherwise there's too big of a risk for him to be played out), I still understand that his biggest strength will suffer from it (the boars plays, not footwork and agility).
This ^ is close to what I was attempting to post.
IMO, Torts gets too much blame for the entire season and/or for Laine’s poor play. Once the PLD fiasco ended, the roster pretty much dictated that 2 goals per game was max offensively. So had to focus on D and protecting goalies if they had ANY chance to make playoffs. That was Torts’ primary job.
Developing Laine or any other player was secondary to that primary task. Once the playoffs became unattainable, that’s when Torts started to check out. He’s not the coach to play out the string solely to develop players. And that’s not the type of coach I would want for a borderline playoff team, which is what CBJ was when the season started. I want a coach like Torts to get the most out of a middling team. Admittedly, things changed.
So I put Laine’s poor year squarely on Laine and am not enamored with his recent statements.
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The CBJ need to get Laine to sign his QO and ship him out ASAP.
The more I hear from this guy, the less I want him. Sometimes the best strategy is to cut your losses. Given that it's so hard to project what type of production Laine will bring in the future, if the CBJ get what initially appears to be a poor return for him, it might turn out to be an excellent one.
My read on Laine right now is that getting rid of him is addition by subtraction. The return doesn't even mean that much from my vantage point. Jones can't be given away. If Laine is, it's not that big of a deal, IMO. I'd rather have the spectre of a Jones trade hovering over the team on opening night than one for Laine.
The more I hear from this guy, the less I want him. Sometimes the best strategy is to cut your losses. Given that it's so hard to project what type of production Laine will bring in the future, if the CBJ get what initially appears to be a poor return for him, it might turn out to be an excellent one.
My read on Laine right now is that getting rid of him is addition by subtraction. The return doesn't even mean that much from my vantage point. Jones can't be given away. If Laine is, it's not that big of a deal, IMO. I'd rather have the spectre of a Jones trade hovering over the team on opening night than one for Laine.
Laine blamed himself for his play. That his bad play wasn`t for Torts` style. What`s happen this interview we don`t know questions. Btw he said very nice about Torts in his first Finnish interview. IMHO, he just said what he really thinks, because Laine is as a diplomat as I`m a nuclear physicist. Which can't be said for most of the players who only have politically correct answers and won't say what they really think. And Torts isn`t a diplomat too.
Btw every coach must try to improve his players, work on their progress. If he doesn`t it, a team has problems.
I wouldn`t trade him now. Mikhail Grigorenko said it clearly. That he's a player who knows everything, he won't have any problems in the next season. And Grigorenko has no reason to be diplomatic. Plus his value is, diplomatic said, terrible. Besides I`m not sure if we must him trade because if he shows his qualities it would be stupidity.
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Like others I think trading him now is selling him at a low point. Additionally not sure how many teams have cap room for $7.5M? That largely tells me we will have him until the deadline.
To me Seattle doesn't seem to be a fit. They have their tickets sold and their identity doesn't seem to fit adding a guy like him.
May be a challenge to get any value back with that size of contract, without taking back something really bad?
To me Seattle doesn't seem to be a fit. They have their tickets sold and their identity doesn't seem to fit adding a guy like him.
May be a challenge to get any value back with that size of contract, without taking back something really bad?
What a shit show this team is becoming. With Jk getting a contract extension I see no reason this will change, this is all his mess
My God, let us trade Laine already, may we have holy peace from Portzline. He's trading him again. I don't know if Patrik will be traded or not, but Portzline crap is getting on my nerves.
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I want to keep him more, now
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Patrik Laine is going to be a Blue Jacket.. I think Portzline is the one that needs to go. Dude grinds axes like nobodies business, and when he does it all 2,500 Blue Jacket fans take it as the gospel.
Yeah it's the reporters fault that people are talking about a Laine trade.
It wouldn't be that this player is a terrible fit here and likely to lose value the longer he stays, not to mention the fact that the team is starting a rebuild and he's nearing UFA. No you wouldn't trade a player in those circumstances.
It wouldn't be that this player is a terrible fit here and likely to lose value the longer he stays, not to mention the fact that the team is starting a rebuild and he's nearing UFA. No you wouldn't trade a player in those circumstances.
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If they can flip this guy for more assets a la Jones, Jarmo will be in my good graces again. But I think he's pretty close with this kid and wants to retain him.
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Thought this was funny irony
Portzline: members of the leadership group want Laine traded
Jarmo: *trades leadership group*
Portzline: members of the leadership group want Laine traded
Jarmo: *trades leadership group*
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Boone is still here FWIW and if we're trying to predict what Jarmo is going to do then we're playing a fool's game.
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He knows Laine is much better than what was on the ice last season.
Portzline melting down that he’s tried so hard to get Laine traded when it appears we’re building around him.
Crede777
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You say that but Laine could well be the next one to go. It's like the Red Wedding up in here.
Also Portzline doesn't *try* anything. He voices what he has heard and then offers a layer of speculation / insight / rooting interest. He's like a pop-history author. He does the research, reports the facts, and then potentially adds a spin or some embellishment but can't actually influence things and wouldn't make anything up out of whole cloth.
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