Player Discussion Patrice Bergeron III

[BRUINS since 1995]

My thoughts.: Bergeron plays a structure game and will compensate for one half of the ice. I am all in put Heinen instead of 88.

88 will get lower competition. With DK and/or on the third line.

Cassidy needs scoring depth. Bergeron line going head to head with Tavares AND Marner is a job... shut down and produce offensively.

Kuraly back i hope, will help alot. Hope Moore is in next also.

Imo Cassidy needs to make some adjustments.

 

[RussellmaniaKW]

This is not the regular season

Think about it

In 2011 and 2013 he was that shutdown #2 center in the playoffs

last time I checked it's 2019

 

[NoName]

He is the best two way forward of his generation, with his only real competitor there being Toews. Classy guy as well.

 

[Alberta_OReilly_Fan]

He is the best two way forward of his generation, with his only real competitor there being Toews. Classy guy as well.

this Barkov kid is only getting started... if they are considered same generation I think theres a decent chance Barkov will be favorably compared to Bergeron by the time its all said and done.

that said, Bergeron is horribly underrated imo. toews is not a true competitor. toews got a HUGE bump in his rep by being part of that Chicago black hawk hyped team.

kopitar got a similar bump in rep being in LA.

a lot of guys like toews/kopitar/kesler are fine 2-way players but the only time they get much consideration for selke is when they have their 70-80 point seasons. if they struggle and only score 50 points they drop right out of the talk.

scoring points IS NOT DEFENSE... but hype is generated by offense and these guys get hype by being a big scoring 'checking' center on a cup winning team.

Bergeron still wins his selkes when hes getting 50 points on a non-playoff team. his brilliance defensively was never dependent on being a 60 point plus scorer

now Barkov is going to put up much better offensive numbers than Bergeron during his career... I just said offense isnt defense... but Barkov imo is a better defensive player than Bergeron was at the same time in their young careers.

Barkov will be hurt for the time being playing on a suck team without much media hype... but that probably wont last forever. bergerons dedication led to him improving with age. Barkov might not be as good as Bergeron so late in his career?

but yeah... I have to say if im rating the top 2 way players ive seen over the last 20 years I go with Bergeron as a slight favorite for number 1... pavel datsyuk and sergei federov so damn close I might be wrong about my first place vote {if we are including guys outside the nhl now} and then Barkov as the kid that could eclipse them all

 

[LouJersey]

Regular season and playoffs are different

He is more of an ideal #2 center but has all the pressure to come through as a #1

His origin is to shut down the opposing best not outscore them. It has been something nice he has built over the years. .. cant expect everything from Patrice

Bergeron more of a #2 Center? Congrats on the worst take I have ever read on HF...that should put in perspective how asinine that quote was

 

[LouJersey]

This is not the regular season

Think about it

In 2011 and 2013 he was that shutdown #2 center in the playoffs

So because Krejci led in points he was the #1 Center? Yikes.

 

[rocketdan9]

So because Krejci led in points he was the #1 Center? Yikes.

Well where is the production from the #1 center then?

You cant have it both ways

 

[LouJersey]

Well where is the productions from the #1 center then?

You cant have it both ways

I'm giving him a break

6-14-20 in 2011, including scoring 2 goals in game 7 to win the Cup isn't #1 center material to you? While checking the teams best lines?

9-6-15 in 2013 wasn't good enough while playing with all those injuries?

 

[JCRO]

He's definitely banged up. Very uncharacteristic series for him thus far. Particularly at the face off dot.

 

[BruinFanSam]

Yeah its very odd seeing him play like this.... poor on face-offs, uncharacteristic turnovers, no offensive production. We need Patrice to be himself if we want to go deep this year. I would never second guess his heart or his ability so I have to assume he has either been injured or sick or maybe just some type of weird funk.

 

[rocketdan9]

6-14-20 in 2011, including scoring 2 goals in game 7 to win the Cup isn't #1 center material to you? While checking the teams best lines?

9-6-15 in 2013 wasn't good enough while playing with all those injuries?

The point is...was there pressure from him to score? The way I saw it... his main job was to shadow and the points were gravy

But now he is expected to produce/generate offense. Since the Tampa series games 2-5 and now vs Leafs.... the intensity is up. He is the one shadowed.... and not able to generate much offense. Where are the 5 v 5 points?

If you consider him as an number elite center... why arent you asking this question?

I'm not and see his value/worth at the other areas of the ice....

The other poster was asking what is going on with Bergy.... I told him to give him a break. If you have a better explanation go ahead

 

[Prince Pasta]

Yeah its very odd seeing him play like this.... poor on face-offs, uncharacteristic turnovers, no offensive production. We need Patrice to be himself if we want to go deep this year. I would never second guess his heart or his ability so I have to assume he has either been injured or sick or maybe just some type of weird funk.

wouldnt be surprised to find out half the team is fighting the bug that has johansson sidelined

 

[4ORRBRUIN]

He's definitely banged up. Very uncharacteristic series for him thus far. Particularly at the face off dot.

Give credit where credit is due, The Leafs are owning his line this series so far. Plain as day

 

[JCRO]

Give credit where credit is due, The Leafs are owning his line this series so far. Plain as day

I'm not trying to take anything away from the Tavares line by any means.

I'm just saying you can tell when Bergy isn't himself. I can't speak for Marchy/Pasta.

 

[Dr Hook]

wouldnt be surprised to find out half the team is fighting the bug that has johansson sidelined

That occurred to me too as I sat watching that struggle of a game. Milbury commented on how slow the Bruins were getting in on the forecheck and trying to take the body as opposed to Saturday Makes you wonder.

 

[PB37]

wouldnt be surprised to find out half the team is fighting the bug that has johansson sidelined

Some of the guys have been quite sniffly during intermission interviews this series.

 

[BMC]

Bergy clearly was not himself last night, it's been ages since I've seen him handle faceoffs so badly (when he wasn't getting thrown out which is another story). Sick, hurt or both.

 

[Bruinfanatic]

Give credit where credit is due, The Leafs are owning his line this series so far. Plain as day

Agree,but then I thought Toronto did later on in the series against the Leafs after they changed up there lines,same as Tampa after the first game.That line can be shut down,and not only shutdown but also be exposed defensively.

 

[Prince Pasta]

I'm not trying to take anything away from the Tavares line by any means.

I'm just saying you can tell when Bergy isn't himself. I can't speak for Marchy/Pasta.

Yeah, honestly, Pasta is a turnover machine, has been all year. Marchy goes in and out of bouts of cutesy ness.

Bergy looks off

and with another poster, the tavares line has done a great job against them, really have.

 

[bp13]

I'm not trying to take anything away from the Tavares line by any means.

I'm just saying you can tell when Bergy isn't himself. I can't speak for Marchy/Pasta.

What I will say about Marchand is that his puck management has been awful, IMO. Turnovers everywhere, passes where shots are called for, etc. Not to blame the 2-1 deficit on him alone, obviously, but if he was himself this series would be different. I don't know if he's affected by Bergeron's sub-par play or what's going on, but he hasn't been good enough.

And again, I have no idea why Cassidy stuck with that line all night but that shocked me. They were the worst line by a mile, and a coach who normally changes lines too often did nothing. Maybe his feeling is that shutting down Tavares/Marner is their main goal, but if that's the case I think you gotta at least move Pasta off the line because we don't have enough offense elsewhere.

 

[RoccoF14]

What I will say about Marchand is that his puck management has been awful, IMO. Turnovers everywhere, passes where shots are called for, etc. Not to blame the 2-1 deficit on him alone, obviously, but if he was himself this series would be different. I don't know if he's affected by Bergeron's sub-par play or what's going on, but he hasn't been good enough.

And again, I have no idea why Cassidy stuck with that line all night but that shocked me. They were the worst line by a mile, and a coach who normally changes lines too often did nothing. Maybe his feeling is that shutting down Tavares/Marner is their main goal, but if that's the case I think you gotta at least move Pasta off the line because we don't have enough offense elsewhere.

In the game I watched, the second and third lines played well. 5 of the 6 players on those 2 lines registered a point, so I don't know where your comment about us not having "enough offense elsewhere" is coming from. They weren't the problem and I'm totally fine rolling with them again in Game 4.

The top line simply didn't get it done. Bergeron said as much in his post game comments. They know it, we know it, and I have total faith that 88-37-63 will rectify that problem in Game 4 like the pro's that they are.

Blowing up that line because they had a poor Game 3 is a total panic move in a 2-1 series.

 

[Mainehockey33]

In the game I watched, the second and third lines played well. 5 of the 6 players on those 2 lines registered a point, so I don't know where your comment about us not having "enough offense elsewhere" is coming from. They weren't the problem and I'm totally fine rolling with them again in Game 4.

The top line simply didn't get it done. Bergeron said as much in his post game comments. They know it, we know it, and I have total faith that 88-37-63 will rectify that problem in Game 4 like the pro's that they are.

Blowing up that line because they had a poor Game 3 is a total panic move in a 2-1 series.

They had a poor game 1 and 2 as well.

 

[RoccoF14]

They had a poor game 1 and 2 as well.

Everybody stunk in Game 1.

Game 2, Marchand went 1/1, Bergeron went 1/0 and Pasta went 0/1. That's a hell of a lot more than the Tavares line did, so no. They didn't have a poor Game 2.

 

[RoccoF14]

Bergeron HAS been poor in the faceoff dot this series. I will give you that. Don't know how moving Pasta off the top line fixes that, however.

 

[Mainehockey33]

Everybody stunk in Game 1.

Game 2, Marchand went 1/1, Bergeron went 1/0 and Pasta went 0/1. That's a hell of a lot more than the Tavares line did, so no. They didn't have a poor Game 2.

Most of those points came on the powerplay. They haven’t been good at even strength, break them up.