Panthers 2015 Draft Talk

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spacemanatee

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i know it's early but as a panther fan i've always liked prospect & draft discussions. as it looks right now it seems like we're gonna pick around 12-20th so,

who would you like to see us pick up, what do we need etcetc?

get the discussion going :yo:
 

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Would love if they could snag Bittner, I bet he's gone by when Florida picks though. Huge guy. Failing that, Crouse certainly will still be available. Want the team to just be full of power forwards.
 

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Would love if they could snag Bittner, I bet he's gone by when Florida picks though. Huge guy. Failing that, Crouse certainly will still be available. Want the team to just be full of power forwards.

i'm also hoping we can snatch a PF. greenway is another guy who i'm pretty high on, especially if we climb out of top 19.
 

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Would love if they could snag Bittner, I bet he's gone by when Florida picks though. Huge guy. Failing that, Crouse certainly will still be available. Want the team to just be full of power forwards.

Crouse is almost certainly in the eyes of most/all a Top 15 pick, but with some organisations who value certain traits, comfortably in the Top 10. We shall see where we finish, but it's probable Crouse is picked high.

Bittner conversely won't be in the Top 30 for some teams. He'll be available where we pick as things stand.

Options at where we currently sit are a little difficult to predict, since there is fluidity within a tier of players ranked in that range, and lots of hockey to still be played.

Forwards who aren't small ; Rantanen, Zacha and Svechnikov.

Rantanen is multi-dimensional, good puck skills, can shoot but is possessed with very good playmaking skills, protects the puck, drives to the net.

Zacha definitely more raw, but skates extremely well, can be very physical and mean, can make plays at high speed with the puck. Concerned a little that he these aren't all combined yet, but higher end potential.

Svechnikov is a dynamic offensive player. Skates really well, very good hands and competes well. Nationality may see him drafted in the late teens.

Other forwards who are (or could) be in our current range are Barazal, Konecny, Merkley and White.

Barzal is average sized, silkly smooth offensive player with very good vision, hands and shot. Highly touted, but injuries and average start have hindered his season. Might be ranked all over the place, with some having him well inside their Top 10, whilst others are more reserved.

Konecny has a similar profile to Barzal. Could be ranked all over the place.

White i'm not knowledgeable on.

Merkely is a smaller forward who is individually very talented, fundamentally a playmaker who will rely on vision and decision making a the next level. Has had a very good developmental year.

These probably realistically make up the bulk of Forwards we may look at. You can add Sprong perhaps too. Lots of potential there and much of it depends on what you value more. Scouts will have a better idea of who projects more at the next level than i do.
 

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Current 2015 draft picks:

1st
2nd
3rd*
3rd* (Penguins, acquired in the Goc trade)
4th
5th
5th (Canadiens, acquired in the Weaver trade)
6th
7th
7th (Blues via Devils, acquired in the Barch/Timmins trade)

* = Panthers traded a 2015 3rd to the Islanders for their 2014 3rd (Lammikko #65 overall), but it's unsure whether that 3rd is our own pick or the Penguins one.
 

spacemanatee

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Crouse is almost certainly in the eyes of most/all a Top 15 pick, but with some organisations who value certain traits, comfortably in the Top 10. We shall see where we finish, but it's probable Crouse is picked high.

Rantanen is multi-dimensional, good puck skills, can shoot but is possessed with very good playmaking skills, protects the puck, drives to the net.

i see crouse go to a team like calgary if they are still around 12th. they seem to lack a big power-forward. bennett is speedy & gritty and all that but not very big. on the other hand, calgary is stacked with skill on forward so i guess they could go for best d-man available also.

i'm quite ambivalent about rantanen. he doesn't seem to be as gritty as other wingers and more of a playmaker rather than a sniper. don't know if he would be ideal with either bjugs or barkov. :dunno:
 

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If they do pick in the 14-20 range I have four guys I like.

RW Daniel Sprong (love this guy a lot)
RW Mikko Rantanen (His performance at the WJC may have bumped him into the top-10, though)
RW Evgeny Svechnikov
RW Nikita Korostelev

And then in the second round I think it's finally time to get a blue-chip goaltender.

G MacKenzie Blackwood or Daniel Vladar (Blackwood will likely be gone by the time FLA picks in the 2nd)
 

spacemanatee

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If they do pick in the 14-20 range I have four guys I like.

RW Daniel Sprong (love this guy a lot)
RW Mikko Rantanen (His performance at the WJC may have bumped him into the top-10, though)
RW Evgeny Svechnikov
RW Nikita Korostelev

And then in the second round I think it's finally time to get a blue-chip goaltender.

G MacKenzie Blackwood or Daniel Vladar (Blackwood will likely be gone by the time FLA picks in the 2nd)

i wouldn't cry my eyes out if we went for a scoring rw. :)
 

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As much as we "need" a PF type of forward, I dont think I want to use a 1st rounder on one at this point. I would bet the percentage of guys that were drafted as PFs in the first round who made it as a top 6 forward are about the same as that in the 2nd round. Lucic was a 2nd rounder, Simmonds was a 2nd rounder, James Neal was a 2nd rounder, and I'm sure I could name others too (I'm not even mentioning guys like Jamie Benn who was a 5th rounder). Plus we're not talking about a top 5 pick either which if you can find a good less-risky PF prospect, thats where it would be in the 1st round.

My preference is getting someone who can put up major points in the 1st round, preferably a goal scorer (or at least a guy who does both equally well). Then worry about drafting a PF type of forward in the 2nd round. My preference, based on where I think we'll be drafting, would be like Konecny in the 1st round and take a risk on someone like Timo Meier in the 2nd round.
 

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As much as we "need" a PF type of forward, I dont think I want to use a 1st rounder on one at this point. I would bet the percentage of guys that were drafted as PFs in the first round who made it as a top 6 forward are about the same as that in the 2nd round. Lucic was a 2nd rounder, Simmonds was a 2nd rounder, James Neal was a 2nd rounder, and I'm sure I could name others too (I'm not even mentioning guys like Jamie Benn who was a 5th rounder). Plus we're not talking about a top 5 pick either which if you can find a good less-risky PF prospect, thats where it would be in the 1st round.

My preference is getting someone who can put up major points in the 1st round, preferably a goal scorer (or at least a guy who does both equally well). Then worry about drafting a PF type of forward in the 2nd round. My preference, based on where I think we'll be drafting, would be like Konecny in the 1st round and take a risk on someone like Timo Meier in the 2nd round.

... or just pick the best player available. GMs don't want to speculate in hindsight, and on what the other team might be after; they pick the BPA and be over with it. However, now that the Cats have a few more picks in the later rounds, they could be picking more riskier players. But I'd assume that Tallon will stay course with majority of his picks consisting of college-players. Just my 2cents...
 
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No real evidence of this but my hunch is he was picking college players because he knew they'd have time to develop while he built the team up. I wouldn't be surprised to see more CHL (especially wingers with top-6 potential) now that our defense and college guys have had a chance to mature and the team is taking off.

Sprong would be a guy I can see stepping in quickly (1-2 years) and being the snipey RW we're looking for.

Still like Bittner and Greenway too.
 

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Might be in the minority here but if theres a really good defensemen there that falls Im taking him.

Can never draft enough quality blueliners. And I have no problem being the Nashville of the eastern conference.

Assuming of course we acquire our veteran 30 goal scorer this summer.
 

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Might be in the minority here but if theres a really good defensemen there that falls Im taking him.

Can never draft enough quality blueliners. And I have no problem being the Nashville of the eastern conference.

Assuming of course we acquire our veteran 30 goal scorer this summer.

We've used our first pick on a defenseman 4 of the last 6 years + a defensive center in Barkov. It's time for some scoring.
 

Jean Luc Discard

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i don't get it. are you saying that all teams GM's are always drafting BPA?

Unless there's two players that they want to pick and they see them to be in the same line potential-wise, it's OK to address a immediate need. But for the other case, I'd like to hear a GM explain their drafting philosophy in the lines of: "Well, this X guy is going to be better in the long run, but we need to address [something] now, so better pick player Y"-. If a team actually uses the previous thinking... I just can't understand such shortsighted thinking. It also shows how much in distress the org. currently is when you need 18yo's to win games. In that note, it shows how ****ing good player Ekblad is. Lidstrom-like emergence into the show. I'd reckon, it doesn't take too long when Ekblad is the new benchmark instead of Lids.
 

spacemanatee

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Unless there's two players that they want to pick and they see them to be in the same line potential-wise, it's OK to address a immediate need. But for the other case, I'd like to hear a GM explain their drafting philosophy in the lines of: "Well, this X guy is going to be better in the long run, but we need to address [something] now, so better pick player Y"-. If a team actually uses the former thinking... I just can't understand such shortsighted thinking. It also shows how much in distress the org. currently is when you need 18yo's to win games. In that note, it shows how ****ing good player Ekblad is. Lidstrom-like emergence into the show.

no GM would ever say that "that other player we could have drafted is better" but they sure adress team needs.
there is rarely an immidiet need that gets filled (especially from the mid/late rounds) but GM's tend to pass on other players that may be considered more skilled etcetc and draft for a need for the future. just look at fleury last year. why didn't the canes pick nylander? well they have a bunch of good winger prospects and needed to adress D in the future which is why they took fleury.
it's very common, you know that.

IMO we should adress wingers (sniper or PF) cuz we don't have many prospects with a high upside on that posistion anymore. acually, we havn't drafted a winger with decent upside since 2011.
 

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... or just pick the best player available. GMs don't want to speculate in hindsight, and on what the other team might be after; they pick the BPA and be over with it. However, now that the Cats have a few more picks in the later rounds, they could be picking more riskier players. But I'd assume that Tallon will stay course with majority of his picks consisting of college-players. Just my 2cents...
Sure but the problem is that BPA can be very subjective, particularly outside of the top 5. Thats often why you can see guys drafted in the 2nd round who turn out to be better than their 1st round counterparts. Plus GMs have their draft lists and they're usually very different from each other so one GM's BPA can be (and usually is) very different from another GM's.

I also dont know that he'll go the NCAA route necessarily, particularly in the 1st round. I'm sure later in the draft, yeah he'll take his shot on some NCAA guys because they can spend 2-4 yrs developing (for free to us) and that would make sense. But the 1st round pick should be an impact player, no matter where they are from, what league they are/will be playing in to develop, etc.
 

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been at this for a long time the past few years. For once were in position to add to a stockpile of kids who are progressing... instead of us trying to start the stockpile of kids who will become full time panthers... With that said its time for us to draft scoring...

In my opinion i don't care about anything other than SKILL

That is why at this point in the season my draft choices are the following.

Scoring -

1. Evgeny Svechnikov - A little bit of an unknown coming into this season.. Zacha continues to rank ahead of the russian yet the russian has been better to date.
The skills are undeniable. I don't care about Russian Factor as long as he is in Tallon's plans than that is fine.

2. Mikko Rantanen - Again many shy away because he is too much of a "playmaker" All i have seen is him score goals and be the best finnish product this year... Honestly i would play an entire team of finns if i could... His ability to play wing or center is a plus and i feel the kid could turn into a perrenial 60-70 scorer next to one of our stud centers.

3. Daniel Sprong - Kids a scorer but still something is up with him these days.. I much prefer the electric Ehlers :( to this kid.... Sprong has a great name and more size... but he also seems like he could bust easier than the other two above IMO...

4. Trade down and take Bracco.. Bracco although kinda looks like a chubby kid out there think Phil Kessel he has the skills we could use as a playmaker scorer. If we trade down to maybe get two picks in the late first ( doubtful ) i would grab this kid and sit on him.

5. Nikita Korostelev - Build that rw depth... again i want more russians.. ones tallon believes in....

Power Forwards.

Crouse will be gone by the time we pick.

6. Jordan Greenway. - Another draft and stash player.. He has shown more playmaking this season in the USHL but the kid is big and has done nothing but impress.. Wish he would be playign with eichel this year... maybe eichel will stay a year ahhahahhah.

7. Paul Bittner - Big tall Lanky forward... Streaky so far in his career.. Good length and reach. hard to check... Hasn't put it all together yet ( not a bad thing ).

honorable mention

http://theqmjhl.ca/roster/show/id/14971 Timo Meier - who i think is a find.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PykwRd_dTVw

here he is defending Ehlers
 
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Mikko Rantanen seems like he would fit our system pretty well, but after his solid WJC campaign he's probably going high. But actually, maybe Tallon should concentrate on picking a highly skilled powerplay specialist. A kid who thrives on the man advantage.
 
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