GDT: OVER THE LINE! - Devils @ Stars, 8:30 PM, MSG

[njdevils1982]

We've actually been pretty good against Dallas the last few seasons, we've went at least .500 in most of those years.

We won against them in OT last year in Dallas, that was the end of our hot start. I joked that we left Cory in Dallas and came back with Lehtonen, as that coincided with Cory's decline in play for the rest of the season, following that game. We lost at home though late in the season. Coleman got his first career goal and we lost in OT. I'm pretty sure we beat them in OT in 15-16 on a Moore OT goal. I think we lost in Dallas that year, as that was the game Cory got injured. I remember beating them in OT in Dallas in 13-14 and Cory having a 1-0 shutout at home against them that same year. I don't remember how we did against them in 14-15 though.

i think they got destroyed something like 7-1 like 8 years ago or so. or was that an ottawa game?

edit: it was ottawa and a bit longer ago….got confused i guess

New Jersey Devils at Ottawa Senators Box Score — October 21, 2006 | Hockey-Reference.com

 

[R8Devs]

It's hard to argue Boyle shouldn't be on the PP when he has as more PP points than Hischier in 10 less games.

that's not really fair to hischier considering he plays PP2. But Boyle shouldn't be taken off the PP regardless, they should just do what they did today after Zajac got injured which is put Bratt on PP1.

 

[NJDevs26]

This is the type of lose they really pissed a coach off. Dumb mental mistakes, too many penalties.

It can piss him off but what's he gonna do about it? If Greene and Vat are gonna just get first pairing minutes again you're doing nothing to fix the problem other than maybe putting in Sevs for Lovejoy to get a little more offense.

 

[Sir Fenwick Corsi]

This is the type of lose they really pissed a coach off. Dumb mental mistakes, too many penalties.

It’s funny. If it comes down to a few points at the end of the season and they’re on the wrong side, I’m looking at this game way before the Sabres and Blues games. This is a far worse way to lose.

 

[Bleedred]

Cory has allowed 12 goals in his last 3 starts. Of those 12 goals, the only goal I think he should have stopped or had any chance on was the first goal in that stretch. The Jacob Josefson breakaway goal, that dribbled through his arm.

I don't think he had a chance on the other 11. Earlier in the season he let in quite a few bad goals, which might be evening out right now. This is the Kevin Rooney factor. This is exactly why you can't judge goalie play or advanced stats/any stats in single game or small sample sizes.

Cory might allow one goal next game and it might be a really ugly softy, but it might be the only goal he allows all game.

 

[Emperoreddy]

It can piss him off but what's he gonna do about it? If Greene and Vat are gonna just get first pairing minutes again you're doing nothing to fix the problem other than maybe putting in Sevs for Lovejoy to get a little more offense.

Most likely a real nasty practice.

 

[Bcap88]

Columbus loss makes it somewhat bearable

 

[Sir Fenwick Corsi]

Nice, gross just threw Greene under the bus.

 

[Zajacs Bowl Cut]

Wow, I see my hot take on the Vatanen trade elicited a strong reaction. All I'll say before people pile on again is that when you trade a top 6, 2 way center who consistently puts up 25 goals (especially one as integral to the LR as Rico), plus a 3rd and a decent prospect, I would like to think you get more than a middle pairing defenseman who is seriously limited in his own zone. Dont get me wrong, I love the mobility and offensive game that he provides to our back end, but his defensive positioning, as well as his turnovers of late have been incredibly negative aspects of his game.

Imagine if Severson committed all those turnovers? The staff would have his head on a pike.

All that being said, that's just my 2 cents, and obviously people will disagree with that which is absolutely fine. What I've never understood is the attitude around here that if you ever question the norm of "Shero's a god" you're a fool.

Henrique scored 25 twice, thats not "consistently"

Henrique is a middle six winger and Vatanen is a top 4 DMan

you make that trade every day of the week

 

[Bleedred]

I think one of the only goalies we make look as good or better than fat stack of pancakes Bishop is that little bloated stuffed mushroom looking, now washed up spirit of 2010 SCAB Halak.

 

[Blender]

Nice, gross just threw Greene under the bus.

What did he say?

 

[Emperoreddy]

Honestly if you think benching Severson was wrong after he put up a stinker, it is hypocritical to want Vats benched for tonight.

Either you want to give all your players the benefit of the doubt to play through mistakes, or you don’t. Picking favorites is the same thing some accuse Hynes of doing.

 

[Sir Fenwick Corsi]

What did he say?

Greene was commenting about making too many mistakes and Gross said “specifically your backhand pass”.

 

[R8Devs]

this team doesn't have enough depth to bench guys like Vatanen and Severson for long periods. it's not going to happen. it's not like these kind of games are what typically Vatanen brings and that's the same with Severson too. I really doubt that Hynes won't pick Damon back in for the Islanders game

 

[Bleedred]

Vatanen has a bad game (mostly just because of penalties, more so than his actual play) and he sucks.

Henrique just has one of his patented 2 point in 10 game streaks and we want him back.

You wanna give him a contract identical to Marchessault's? That's exactly what we want. 29-34 year old Henrique, regressing to a 9% shooting percentage and scoring 15 goals a year @ $5 million bucks.

 

[NJDevs26]

Greene was commenting about making too many mistakes and Gross said “specifically your backhand pass”.

Ouch...I know people are going to love that but the reporter shouldn't be putting himself into the story by inserting snarky. That's worse than TG's blog which had people up in arms about how the Devils were Mickey Mouse for the way they handled the lights out game.

 

[Blender]

Henrique scored 25 twice, thats not "consistently"

Henrique is a middle six winger and Vatanen is a top 4 DMan

you make that trade every day of the week

He's only cracked 20 goals 3 times in 7 seasons. How anyone can call him a "consistent 25 goal scorer" is crazy.

 

[Blender]

Positive note tonight; the league didn't f*** us out of a goal!

 

[R8Devs]

Hynes waits until there are under 90 seconds to play before pulling Schneider when it's been proven that you're better off pulling sooner is. All this money on analytics guys and he doesn't give a ****.

One positive to take from this loss, Hynes doesn't coach the ASG and won't have that on his resume to save his ass when his contract negotiations come up.

This team could be a lot better if we didn't still try to teach our best players lessons while we allow our worst players to be captains and leaned on when they **** up left and right to the point of playing a huge part in a loss

he pulled goalies way earlier before early in his career and got shit on here for listening to analytics too closely or whatever. seems he'll piss one group off no matter what he does there

 

[Sir Fenwick Corsi]

Ouch...I know people are going to love that but the reporter shouldn't be putting himself into the story.

Yeah, Greene clearly wasn’t going to mention himself but he did own up to it. I hate ripping into the guy, but god damn was that a really awful mistake to make at that time.

 

[BenedictGomez]

I see my hot take on the Vatanen trade elicited a strong reaction. All I'll say before people pile on again is that when you trade a top 6, 2 way center who consistently puts up 25 goals (especially one as integral to the LR as Rico),

What Devils trade are you talking about, I thought you were talking about Adam Henrique?


HENRIQUE, ADAM

 

[billingtons ghost]

Cory has allowed 12 goals in his last 3 starts. Of those 12 goals, the only goal I think he should have stopped or had any chance on was the first goal in that stretch. The Jacob Josefson breakaway goal, that dribbled through his arm.

I don't think he had a chance on the other 11. Earlier in the season he let in quite a few bad goals, which might be evening out right now. This is the Kevin Rooney factor. This is exactly why you can't judge goalie play or advanced stats/any stats in single game or small sample sizes.

Cory might allow one goal next game and it might be a really ugly softy, but it might be the only goal he allows all game.

But but but... .886 SV% 4.10 GAA in the last 3. Goalie stats reign supreme!!!!
Is that what this forum has come to?!!?!? Is that what this forum has come to!!???!?!?!?!

Just teasing Bleed. I agree, Cory wasn't to blame in these games.

Vatanan had a terrible giveaway the last game. I'm all fine for sitting him a game to get his head back too....

 

[NJDevs26]

he pulled goalies way earlier before early in his career and got **** on here for listening to analytics too closely or whatever. seems he'll piss one group off no matter what he does there

They always get scored on when they pull the goalie early, the Roy pull never works for us.

 

[NJDevils17]

I do not want to get into the Vatanen-Henrique debate. All I will say is that I’m a believer in Vatanen based on his pre-injury history and what he’s shown here this far. Anyone ****ing on him needs to chill the **** out.

 

[Bleedred]

But but but... .886 SV% 4.10 GAA.
Is that what this forum has come to?!!?!? Is that what this forum has come to!!???!?!?!?!

3 game sample size vs a 10 or 11 game sample size for Kinkaid.

And regardless, don't even make me compared Kinkaid's body of work to Schneider's or you're gonna lose this one. Just quite while you're ahead here.