Vlad The Impaler said:Completely agree with you.
Yeah, Jagr, the "team player". What was I thinking?
Vlad The Impaler said:Completely agree with you.
EroCaps said:Yeah, Jagr, the "team player". What was I thinking?
Absolutely. If Ovechkin even comes close to having the kind of impact on the league that Jagr did in his MVP years, I will be ecstatic. There years there when Jagr was nothing short of phenomenal.Marshall said:Jagr, as a Penguin, filled my Caps-fan nightmares. He was everywhere, scoring seemingly at will, sending my favorite team to 1st round exit after 1st round exit.
Jagr, as a Cap, didn't work out at all, and -in retrospect- was a terrible move.
Either way, he's a Cap-killer.
All of that aside, Jagr, as a Penguin, was a scary, scary talent. Nothing can take that away.
Drake1588 said:Absolutely. If Ovechkin even comes close to having the kind of impact on the league that Jagr did in his MVP years, I will be ecstatic. There years there when Jagr was nothing short of phenomenal.
Dark Metamorphosis said:gretzky and lemieux did not backcheck, were not good defensively, were not physical, yet they have 16 art rosses, 11 hart trophies, 4 conn smythes, and 6 stanley cups. So you would take Heatley, Iginla, Ruutu, Ovechkin, Nash(how do we know these guys are good for winning championships anyway? how many have they won?) over Gretzky, Lemieux, and Jagr...3 guys dependent on offensive freedom. Interesting.
I watched Gretzky for years (I live in Edmonton) & while he may not have been Doug Jarvis, if he had a reasonable opprtunity to cause a difference on the backcheck, he busted his ass.jcorb58 said:Gretzky backchecked, many times i personally with my very own eyes seen him comeback to his blue line lift a guys stick, take the puck and head up the other way. Anybody that says otherwise never seen him play. Hell, he wasnt paid to hold Fuhrs hand, but to say he was totally defencively irresponsible is crap.
Dark Metamorphosis said:Some of those late 90s pens teams probalby shouldnt have been in the playoffs, but Jagr carried them every season.
Mothra said:Agreed...... A buddy of mine (who is a Flyers fan) and I used to always talk before the season and give our predictions.....I remember at least 2 seasons where we both felt Pit had no chance...none....(of making the playoffs)....both of us saying "All they got is Jagr"....
EroCaps said:Jagr had full reign of those teams. He was a coach killer. He carried them offensively and got them through a couple rounds, against my Caps. I'm the first to applaud his talent-amazing-, but it's hard to believe how soon some have forgotton about his mood swings and general apathy. He won't lead a team to a Cup w/his game. He's Scottie Pippen.
Forsberg has had a Stanley Cup contending team to work with for the last 10 years. That makes a huge difference. The Pens haven't been a real cup contender since 1995-96, and even then people knew that the pens D was crap. Jagr never really had the chance to lead the pens to a cup.JohnGalt said:Frame it this way...
If you were building a team from scratch knowing everything you know would you start with a young Peter Forsberg or a young Jaromir Jagr?
I'd take Forsberg. He's not as skilled or entertaining to watch but he has the heart of lion. Jagr is a perfect second banana.
I'll say for the 3rd time that I am speculating here....my speculation is that Ovechkin will play in the style of Forsberg and my read on Kovalchuk is that he is a flashy Jagr-type. I'll take Ovechkin.
Foppa_Rules said:And what happened to Heatley? I thought he was a good guy before this whole episode that happened last year. I thought he was supposed to be the calm, mature kid who would have a positive impact on the brash Kovalchuk. What happened to him?
JohnGalt said:Frame it this way...
If you were building a team from scratch knowing everything you know would you start with a young Peter Forsberg or a young Jaromir Jagr?
I'd take Forsberg. He's not as skilled or entertaining to watch but he has the heart of lion. Jagr is a perfect second banana.
I'll say for the 3rd time that I am speculating here....my speculation is that Ovechkin will play in the style of Forsberg and my read on Kovalchuk is that he is a flashy Jagr-type. I'll take Ovechkin.
Originally Posted by Foppa_Rules
And what happened to Heatley? I thought he was a good guy before this whole episode that happened last year. I thought he was supposed to be the calm, mature kid who would have a positive impact on the brash Kovalchuk. What happened to him?
What an idiotic post.
Mothra said:I dont think the Pippen analogy works......Pippen was never the best player in the world, Jagr was......you can make an arguement against Jagr in that case....but I cant see any arguement for Pippen being the best
I dont think any player could have lead some of those Pit teams to a Cup....not even 66....what jagr did do was take a team further than most expected
I dont think anyone is forgetting anything about his mood swings and anti-coach behavior.....its well known....hes just an odd guy from what I understand.