Ovechkin milestone thread - 850 and Beyond!

[Lafleurs Guy]

Caps were once again a better team when he was off the ice. Their young players got them to playoffs.

This is absolute nonsense.

 

[Despote]

This is absolute nonsense.

Ovechkin 5vs5 rel-gf% -6.92

 

[Lafleurs Guy]

Ovechkin 5vs5 rel-gf% -6.92

He’s on a crap team.

He’s the only guy who can score. He dragged that club to the playoffs.

 

[Despote]

He’s on a crap team.

He’s the only guy who can score. He dragged that club to the playoffs.

Yeah and the crap team had a worse goal share when Ovechkin was on the ice.

 

[Lafleurs Guy]

Yeah and the crap team had a worse goal share when Ovechkin was on the ice.

So what? It’s the same as plus/minus you’re at the mercy of the club you’re on. And Ovi had a weird year where he was shooting around 8 percent. When that finally normalized he caught fire and dragged that club into the playoffs.

That is a garbage team. It has no business being in the postseason but they had an elite player who was able to get them there. He did it in a fluke season where he scored at a create under 10 points and was 38 years old. No matter how you slice it it was a heroic effort.

 

[Despote]

So what? It’s the same as plus/minus you’re at the mercy of the club you’re on. And Ovi had a weird year where he was shooting around 8 percent. When that finally normalized he caught fire and dragged that club into the playoffs.

That is a garbage team. It has no business being in the postseason but they had an elite player who was able to get them there. He did it in a fluke season where he scored at a create under 10 points and was 38 years old. No matter how you slice it it was a heroic effort.

Maybe they're in a playoff spot all year long if Ovechkin isn't one of the worst players in the league for the first half of the season.

 

[Lafleurs Guy]

Maybe they're in a playoff spot all year long if Ovechkin isn't one of the worst players in the league for the first half of the season.

This is an even dumber take than your first one. They had zero chance without him.

And no he didn’t play that badly. Once again, his shooting percentage was inexplicably low. A shooting percentage of around eight is almost impossibly bad. It’s suggests an injury or some other issue. And when it normalized he came roaring back.

Without Ovi they have no chance at the postseason. It’s laughable to suggest otherwise.

 

[VaCaps Fan]

This guy Crosby posting under a burner account?

 

[Despote]

This is an even dumber take than your first one. They had zero chance without him.

And no he didn’t play that badly. Once again, his shooting percentage was inexplicably low. A shooting percentage of around eight is almost impossibly bad. It’s suggests an injury or some other issue. And when it normalized he came roaring back.

Without Ovi they have no chance at the postseason. It’s laughable to suggest otherwise.

Nah, he was playing like shit. His goals don't make up for his lack of everything else. His relative defensive metrics are catastrophic and 30 goals getting the PP minutes he does is not great value at all.

 

[Lafleurs Guy]

Nah, he was playing like shit. His goals don't make up for his lack of everything else. His relative defensive metrics are catastrophic and 30 goals getting the PP minutes he does is not great value at all.

He’s on a shit team. Any player is going to look bad on a bad club.

And no, sorry but he wasn’t terrible. You can chalk that up to a brutal shooting percentage. At a normal rate nobody would’ve batted an eye.

Again, he dragged that club into the playoffs. To suggest that he held them back is just flat out dumb. He’s the only reason they got there at all.

 

[SkinsFan09]

He carried a dogshit team to the playoffs but he's a liability every time he steps on the ice.

Just hilarious. It literally doesn't make any sense.

There's truth in both of these statements. There is a ZERO percent chance they make the playoffs without his scoring spurt over the last 39 games.

But he also is a liability many nights, the nights where he looks tired and just doesn't move his legs. I really think he needs to drop like 15-20 pounds for these last two seasons.

Caps were once again a better team when he was off the ice. Their young players got them to playoffs.

LOL Ovechkin, Strome and Lindgren got them to the dance. Especially Lindgren. The young players getting ice time like they should have under Laviolette was icing on the cake.

Maybe they're in a playoff spot all year long if Ovechkin isn't one of the worst players in the league for the first half of the season.

No chance. There's so little offensive talent/creativity on the roster. And Kuznetsov was dragging the team down the first half in and out of the locker room.

We don't need to be silly here.

 

[Lafleurs Guy]

There's truth in both of these statements. There is a ZERO percent chance they make the playoffs without his scoring spurt over the last 39 games.

But he also is a liability many nights, the nights where he looks tired and just doesn't move his legs. I really think he needs to drop like 15-20 pounds for these last two seasons.



LOL Ovechkin, Strome and Lindgren got them to the dance. Especially Lindgren. The young players getting ice time like they should have under Laviolette was icing on the cake.



No chance. There's so little offensive talent/creativity on the roster. And Kuznetsov was dragging the team down the first half in and out of the locker room.

We don't need to be silly here.

The guy’s 38 years old. He’s not the player he was and saying he’s not great defensively is fine. But at the same time, he scores a crap ton of goals. The Caps should be giving him some help but there’s nothing really there. He’s still an elite goal scorer.

Nobody is suggesting he’s a perfect player right now but the man deserves respect for what he did. They don’t make the playoffs without him.

 

[filinski77]

38 year-old Ovechkin playing on the 18th ranked team (worst offensive team in the conference) puts up 0+0 in 4 games against the best team in the league.

33 year-old Crosby playing on the 5th ranked team in the league (2nd best offensive team in the league) puts up 1+1 in 6 games against the 12th ranked Islanders.

31 year-old Crosby playing on the 7th ranked team in the league (6th best offensive team in the league) puts up 0+1 in 4 games against the 5th ranked Islanders.

Results are results, and 31/33 year old Crosby playing on significantly better teams, at a significantly younger age, against lower quality teams is still a lot worse than this post-season by Ovi.

Not at all defending a poor playoff performance (it 100% was), but I have a good feeling the ones shitting on Ovi right now without any consideration of context, wouldn't be giving this much (or way more) flack to Crosby for those showings.

 

[Beau Knows]

I don't think people would be so critical of Ovechkin's post-season play if it were just that didn't he put up points. 4 games is a small sample size, you can put in the work and end up not having any luck or the opponent just plays that well, **** happens.

It's more that he was just kind of standing around or gliding most of the time. It's possible he was hurt, or just out of gas. But it he was out there moving his feet, playing hard and the puck just didn't go in? I think that would be a different story.

 

[SkinsFan09]

38 year-old Ovechkin playing on the 18th ranked team (worst offensive team in the conference) puts up 0+0 in 4 games against the best team in the league.

33 year-old Crosby playing on the 5th ranked team in the league (2nd best offensive team in the league) puts up 1+1 in 6 games against the 12th ranked Islanders.

31 year-old Crosby playing on the 7th ranked team in the league (6th best offensive team in the league) puts up 0+1 in 4 games against the 5th ranked Islanders.

Results are results, and 31/33 year old Crosby playing on significantly better teams, at a significantly younger age, against lower quality teams is still a lot worse than this post-season by Ovi.

Not at all defending a poor playoff performance (it 100% was), but I have a good feeling the ones shitting on Ovi right now without any consideration of context, wouldn't be giving this much (or way more) flack to Crosby for those showings.

Someone is about to come in here and say yeah but look beyond the points : )

 

[wetcoast]

With what offense?
Not a single young player on the Caps scored more than 33 points.

It's almost like goals against don't matter to some people?

This isn't rocket science here.

Anyways this thread is about the goal scoring record right?

Next season and how Ovechkin prepares will be very important towards that goal.

 

[Despote]

Results are results, and 31/33 year old Crosby playing on significantly better teams, at a significantly younger age, against lower quality teams is still a lot worse than this post-season by Ovi.

If you are using point production as your basis of evaluation, how can it be a lot worse than literally 0?

 

[SkinsFan09]

If you are using point production as your basis of evaluation, how can it be a lot worse than literally 0?

His argument is that 0 points at age 38 isn't as bad as in your early 30s or in the case of Malkin at 28 in your prime.

Regardless, Ovechkin was as bad as one can get these past four games so there's no getting away from that.

 

[Toby91ca]

He’s on a crap team.

He’s the only guy who can score. He dragged that club to the playoffs.

I'm not sure if OV dragged them to playoffs. Yes, the team isn't very good, they don't have a lot of high end talent....but he only contributed to 29% of their goals.

 

[Lafleurs Guy]

I'm not sure if OV dragged them to playoffs. Yes, the team isn't very good, they don't have a lot of high end talent....but he only contributed to 29% of their goals.

That’s a huge number man. He scored a third of their goals. Matthews ‘only’ accounted for 23 percent of the Leafs offense.

 

[Arthur Morgan]

guys didnt even bother trying this year in the playoffs. not sure how anyone ever puts him above Crosby when he literally helped the other team more than his own this year

I understand he's old but he can atleast put his stick on the ice and try

its just so obvious that he didnt care about the playoffs and his only remaining goal is beating the record.

 

[Toby91ca]

That’s a huge number man. He scored a third of their goals. Matthews ‘only’ accounted for 23 percent of the Leafs offense.

It's not a huge number at all. He didn't score a third of their goals, he had points on 29% of the team's goals. In comparison, if you looked at the leading scorers for each team (even though Ovechkin wasn't one) and sorted by who factored into the most goals as a percentage of team goals, Ovechkin would be 22nd out of 32 teams.

Top 10:

1 - Kucherov - 49%
2 - MacKinnon - 46%
3 - McDavid - 45%
4 - Panarin - 43%
5 - Pastrnak - 41%
6 - Kaprizov - 38%
7 - Miller - 37%
8 - Crosby - 37%
9 - Thomas - 36%
10 - Matthews - 35%

Bedard, even though he missed 14 games, was at 34%.

 

[SkinsFan09]

guys didnt even bother trying this year in the playoffs. not sure how anyone ever puts him above Crosby when he literally helped the other team more than his own this year

I understand he's old but he can atleast put his stick on the ice and try

its just so obvious that he didnt care about the playoffs and his only remaining goal is beating the record.

So when Malkin went 0G 0A in the middle of his prime at 28 and when Crosby went 0G 1A at just 31 both in sweeps, was it because they didn't care?

And we can go back to the HFBoards threads when these happened, it was not a case of dominant but bad luck, they were invisible.

It sucks, it was truly sad to see him look so abjectly horrible, but the insane laziness of "it's because all he cares about is the record" is just so tired at this point. At this stage of his career I think he was extremely relieved to make the playoffs again, since 2008 it's been what he expects, why would it be different now?

We can say he flat out sucked without constantly going to the record.

It's not a huge number at all. He didn't score a third of their goals, he had points on 29% of the team's goals. In comparison, if you looked at the leading scorers for each team (even though Ovechkin wasn't one) and sorted by who factored into the most goals as a percentage of team goals, Ovechkin would be 22nd out of 32 teams.

Top 10:

1 - Kucherov - 49%
2 - MacKinnon - 46%
3 - McDavid - 45%
4 - Panarin - 43%
5 - Pastrnak - 41%
6 - Kaprizov - 38%
7 - Miller - 37%
8 - Crosby - 37%
9 - Thomas - 36%
10 - Matthews - 35%

Bedard, even though he missed 14 games, was at 34%.

This just in, 38 year old is no longer a top 10 player in the NHL.

 

[Lou Sassole]

Ovechkin 5vs5 rel-gf% -6.92

You goddamned analytics fanatics make me laugh. You're the same people who told us Jeff Schultz was an actual good NHL Dman, when anyone with eyes could tell he sucked balls. Analytics are 1 tool in the toolbox. We get that Ovie sucked in the playoffs, that doesn't mean he didn't help drag a squad that didn't deserve to be there, to the playoffs.

 

[Arthur Morgan]

So when Malkin went 0G 0A in the middle of his prime at 28 and when Crosby went 0G 1A at just 31 both in sweeps, was it because they didn't care?

And we can go back to the HFBoards threads when these happened, it was not a case of dominant but bad luck, they were invisible.

It sucks, it was truly sad to see him look so abjectly horrible, but the insane laziness of "it's because all he cares about is the record" is just so tired at this point. At this stage of his career I think he was extremely relieved to make the playoffs again, since 2008 it's been what he expects, why would it be different now?

We can say he flat out sucked without constantly going to the record.



This just in, 38 year old is no longer a top 10 player in the NHL.

they atleast try to compete. I dunno whats up with OV but Ive never seen him this uninterested before. I dunno he was off to a poor start and then ended up with 30 goals this season anyways I figured he would have more fight in him.