Out of Town Thread Part XXIX

[BaseballCoach]

Maybe similar in terms of hands and shot but Bossy was extremely fast and impossible to knock off the puck. Also an incredible playmaker. Not sure it's the best comparable

Bossy was not extremely fast nor impossible to knock off the puck. Those flaws are why he fell to 15th actually.

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[blarneylad]

Bossy was not extremely fast nor impossible to knock off the puck. Those flaws are why he fell to 15th actually.

Bossy 9 straight seasons with 50+ goals crazy

 

[yianik]

Bossy was not extremely fast nor impossible to knock off the puck. Those flaws are why he fell to 15th actually.

He also did not play in his own end, and when a guy in the Isles management questioned taking him because he could not play defense, Al Arbour said, well teach him how to play defence. Thats my kind of coach.

 

[DangerDave]

Bossy was not extremely fast nor impossible to knock off the puck. Those flaws are why he fell to 15th actually.

Man, Bossy was a tough dude who loved going hard to the net. He could definitely move his feet too. He was also very good defensively often playing on the PK. He obviously worked on his game after he was drafted. He is nothing like Caufield.

What? Bossy 'fast"?
Bossy was a beast in the slot with an amazing release. But he wasn't fast. And the guy took an absolute beating because in those days you could beat the crap out of players in the slot. He did have Gillies riding shotgun which helped. And not a creative playmaker at all. Not dissing him just reflecting on his style of play. He was GREAT.
But Cole is not Bossy at all. Not even a close comparison in terms of style. The game is so different now. It's a lot of circling and skating not grinding.
Cole is a super smart player. Like iv'e mentioned a few times on here the US coach last year made a chart of every play in the offensive zone. He looked at how smart guys were in terms of being where they should have been in anticipating the puck going. Cole was number one ahead of Hughes.
He's got gretzky like hockey instincts and that SHOT.

Bossy wasn't a burner but he was agile and loved to drive the net. A little like Sakic.

Like you said though, he's not at all like Caufield. Debrincat is the perfect comparable to what Caufield could become.

 

[montreal]

continue....

Out of Town Thread Part XXVIII

 

[koyvoo]

Draisaitl is going bonkers right now

 

[Grate n Colorful Oz]

You find the right partner for Reilly and they'd have a great top pairing.
A
Andersen has been as good as price was outside of those crazy 200 or so games from 14-16. Still a top ten goalie.
Up front, it's not close. They have 3 forwards better than anything we had during those years.
The legend of that 2012 roster grows

Two legit top pairing dmen, one a future norris + a vezina/hart goalie + top 10 goal scorer... that's no legend, but you can keep pretending otherwise.

What the habs had on D and goals, Dubas lacked, and vice versa for offense.

 

[Frank Drebin]

Two legit top pairing dmen, one a future norris + a vezina/hart goalie + top 10 goal scorer... that's no legend, but you can keep pretending otherwise.

What the habs had on D and goals, Dubas lacked, and vice versa for offense.

We'll agree to disagree.

 

[Grate n Colorful Oz]

We'll agree to disagree.

Well, that ECF with that same core disagrees with you as Toronto has yet to do as good....

Unless you think adding Prust, Briere and a slew of other journeymen is what did the trick.

How do you reconcile these facts that contradict your beliefs?

A legend, right?

Like the legend of how great the core Dubas inherited was?

Or maybe it's because Therrien is such a better coach than Babcock.

The core Bergevin inherited yeilded as much regular season success as Toronto has had in the last few seasons, but the core Bergevin inherited sctually went further.

They're different cores, at opposing end of what they could offer in terms of offense and defense, but one would have to have offense-minded bias to not see how the habs core had just as much potential, as they did indeed went further, without having to add John Tavares.

 

[DAChampion]

Well, that ECF with that same core disagrees with you as Toronto has yet to do as good....

Unless you think adding Prust, Briere and a slew of other journeymen is what did the trick.

How do you reconcile these facts that contradict your beliefs?

A legend, right?

Like the legend of how great the core Dubas inherited was?

Or maybe it's because Therrien is such a better coach than Babcock.

The core Bergevin inherited yeilded as much regular season success as Toronto has had in the last few seasons, but the core Bergevin inherited sctually went further.

They're different cores, at opposing end of what they could offer in terms of offense and defense, but one would have to have offense-minded bias to not see how the habs core had just as much potential, as they did indeed went further, without having to add John Tavares.

Montreal had better playoff success because Bergevin came in when the Atlantic was the weakest division in hockey. The Habs could cakewalk to division championships. The 2013, 2014, and 2015 Habs had a pretty much open path to the finals, which Bergevin squandered on Desharnais.

Toronto faces much stronger adversaries in Boston, Tampa Bay, and now Buffalo.

 

[Grate n Colorful Oz]

Montreal had better playoff success because Bergevin came in when the Atlantic was the weakest division in hockey. The Habs could cakewalk to division championships. The 2013, 2014, and 2015 Habs had a pretty much open path to the finals, which Bergevin squandered on Desharnais.

Toronto faces much stronger adversaries in Boston, Tampa Bay, and now Buffalo.

Still, those cores were pretty close in terms of potential, just not the same concentration of offense/defense.

And the Habs didn't have a Tavares fall into their lap...

Boston, Tampa & Pittsburgh dominated the east that year. The division strenght is overstated. It fluctuates every year.

 

[Frank Drebin]

Still, those cores were pretty close in terms of potential, just not the same concentration of offense/defense.

And the Habs didn't have a Tavares fall into their lap...

Boston, Tampa & Pittsburgh dominated the east that year. The division strenght is overstated. It fluctuates every year.

I consider tavares falling into dubas lap as part of the core he inherited.

 

[MarkovsKnee]

Damn, NJ & TB tied 5-5 and NJ has 41+ to just 21 for TB. That's nuts.

Draisaitl is unbelievable. If Oilers can even get a respectable lineup around he & McDavid, they'll win cups. Those 2 are just dominate.

 

[peate]

Damn, NJ & TB tied 5-5 and NJ has 41+ to just 21 for TB. That's nuts.

Draisaitl is unbelievable. If Oilers can even get a respectable lineup around he & McDavid, they'll win cups. Those 2 are just dominate.

The Bolts are on the way down it looks like. Losing to teams way below them does not bode well.

 

[Grate n Colorful Oz]

I consider tavares falling into dubas lap as part of the core he inherited.

Convenient, wouldn't you say. Highly arbitrary and biased.

Tavares wasn't part of what he inherited, and even if he did, their yield is similar to the Habs core Bergevin inherited. It's very close, a lot closer than you'd like to admit. Just two different creatures where habs had elite defensive players while Toronto was the opposite with offense.

 

[Frank Drebin]

The Bolts are on the way down it looks like. Losing to teams way below them does not bode well.

I should pop by the bolts board and enjoy some schadenfreude

 

[Grate n Colorful Oz]

The Bolts are on the way down it looks like. Losing to teams way below them does not bode well.

Coaching change should've been incoming instead of a new contract.

 

[Frank Drebin]

Convenient, wouldn't you say. Highly arbitrary and biased.

Tavares wasn't part of what he inherited, and even if he did, their yield is similar to the Habs core Bergevin inherited. It's very close, a lot closer than you'd like to admit. Just two different creatures where habs had elite defensive players while Toronto was the opposite with offense.

I think 10/10 Habs posters would take the elite offensive players

 

[Grate n Colorful Oz]

I think 10/10 Habs posters would take the elite offensive players

It still doesn't get you any further, no matter what popular opinion is, especially here where we've been starved for elite offensive players. It means nothing.

 

[Cubebrick]

Damn, NJ & TB tied 5-5 and NJ has 41+ to just 21 for TB. That's nuts.

Draisaitl is unbelievable. If Oilers can even get a respectable lineup around he & McDavid, they'll win cups. Those 2 are just dominate.

So far this season he's been one of the most dominant forwards that I've seen in a very long time. Currently leads the league with most minutes played by a forward, most goals and points (tied with Pastrnak) and is an absolute monster on the PK.

And his actual play on the ice is even more impressive than his insane stats.

 

[Tyson]

How our scouts thought picking Brady Vail the pick before Columbus picked Josh Anderson says it all

 

[Kriss E]

Damn, NJ & TB tied 5-5 and NJ has 41+ to just 21 for TB. That's nuts.

The story of the Devils in a nutshell. Their goaltending wouldn't cut it in the AHL..they've been so bad. I could see a potential Blues-like situation with them climbing back up the standings if they can find a strong keeper.

 

[LaP]

Man NJ goalies are something. NJ scored 6 goals and allowed only 23 shots and still lost the game.

 

[Tyson]

McDavid is only 22...damn

 

[LaP]

McDavid is only 22...damn

He's too young they should shelter him on a 4th line