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[ChiHawks10]

There aren't a ton of decent options left.
They'd be better off doing nothing than signing most of the players on that list.

Of those 60 players that can help a team, 25 have signed.

I'm not gonna argue with you about this. Criticize like this in February, if nothing has changed. Not the beginning of December.

 

[No Fun Shogun]

Vin Scully was a terrific baseball announcer, as an example. Guys like Hawk Harrelson or Harry Caray aren’t even a pimple on his fanny.

Hey now, Harry Caray may be most well-known for his Cubs tenure, when he was an admittedly a character at best and past his prime at worst as a beloved homer announcer, but dude was a wide-ranging institutional legend. He likely earned his Frick from the quarter century in St. Louis alone, and his even-greater national fame from the WGN gig certainly built up his legend into a persona that everybody knew.

If Hawk was as ubiquitous with baseball as Caray was during his time with the Cubs, I'd significantly soften my tone on my opposition to him getting into the Hall of Fame. But it wasn't, as really nobody was ever elevated to Caray's stature in baseball broadcasting before or since, for good and mocking reasons, other than maybe, but not likely, Bob Eucker and the aforementioned Vin Scully. He was the voice of baseball for a huge chunk of the United States for decades and a face of the game for a generation, late stage broadcasting quality, or lack thereof, notwithstanding.

 

[IU Hawks fan]

Lot of strong opinions about a guy getting his name on a plaque. He technically won't be a 'Hall of Famer'.

 

[Kaners Bald Spot]

I'm not gonna argue with you about this. Criticize like this in February, if nothing has changed. Not the beginning of December.

A lot of it has to do with my confidence(or lack thereof) in the FO/ownership. With the Hawks, there is a level of trust and goodwill that has been earned. They've proven that they'll do what it takes to win championships. Not so much with the Sox. The Bears are somewhere in the middle of the Hawks and Sox.
I have zero confidence in Rick/Kenny/Jerry to do anything but f*** up constantly.

 

[ChiHawks10]

A lot of it has to do with my confidence(or lack thereof) in the FO/ownership. With the Hawks, there is a level of trust and goodwill that has been earned. They've proven that they'll do what it takes to win championships. Not so much with the Sox. The Bears are somewhere in the middle of the Hawks and Sox.
I have zero confidence in Rick/Kenny/Jerry to do anything but **** up constantly.

So the Sox make a good move with Grandal. They make essentially a no-risk move by picking up Mazara. And your first instinct is to bitch about things that everyone knew weren't gonna happen?

It was pretty much guaranteed that both Cole and Strasburg had no desire to come to the Sox, and this is pretty much what you're bitching about. Wheeler was offered more money by the Sox, and chose Philly due to his wife. They can't do anything about that...

I'm not sure what else you can ask of this FO this offseason.

 

[Kaners Bald Spot]

So the Sox make a good move with Grandal. They make essentially a no-risk move by picking up Mazara. And your first instinct is to ***** about things that everyone knew weren't gonna happen?

It was pretty much guaranteed that both Cole and Strasburg had no desire to come to the Sox, and this is pretty much what you're *****ing about. Wheeler was offered more money by the Sox, and chose Philly due to his wife.

I'm not sure what else you can ask of this FO this offseason.

I never expected Cole/Strasburg/Rendon.
I figured Cole and Strasburg weren't interested and Rendon never made sense.

After missing on Wheeler, it's hard to find fits. I'm not crazy about Bumgarner/Ryu/Keuchel.

I'm also not particularly high on Madrigal and Vaughn, so if they traded them for someone like Blake Snell or even someone better, that would be fine with me.

I'm fine with the Grandal and Mazara moves.

It hasn't been a disaster by any means, but it's not inspiring either.

 

[ChiHawks10]

I never expected Cole/Strasburg/Rendon.

After missing on Wheeler, it's hard to find fits. I'm not crazy about Bumgarner/Ryu/Keuchel.

I'm also not particularly high on Madrigal and Vaughn, so if they traded them for someone like Blake Snell or even someone better, that would be fine with me.

So... like I said. You're complaining just to complain...

Basically this:

 

[Kaners Bald Spot]

So... like I said. You're complaining just to complain...

Basically this:

Not really.

I actually don't blame them for being cautious after losing out on Wheeler.

I'm more freaked out that they're going to panic and trade Vaughn/Madrigal for trash like Price.

You could say I'm complaining just to complain, but what else is there?

I'm more frustrated that they didn't shift to the better tier C pitchers and let them get scooped up by other teams.

 

[Blackhawkswincup]

I never expected Cole/Strasburg/Rendon.
I figured Cole and Strasburg weren't interested and Rendon never made sense.

After missing on Wheeler, it's hard to find fits. I'm not crazy about Bumgarner/Ryu/Keuchel.

I'm also not particularly high on Madrigal and Vaughn, so if they traded them for someone like Blake Snell or even someone better, that would be fine with me.

I'm fine with the Grandal and Mazara moves.

It hasn't been a disaster by any means, but it's not inspiring either.

What is your issue with Keuchel?

 

[Kaners Bald Spot]

What is your issue with Keuchel?

I think he's a borderline tier B/C pitcher. I'm fine with him at that price point. (15-16 AAV)

I think he's going to be paid like a tier B pitcher (4 yrs 20 AAV) I hate him at that price.

I think he and Miley are similar pitchers.

 

[Blackhawkswincup]

That comparable doesn't make sense

Miley thru most of his career has been journeyman with many ups and downs

Dallas was a legit ace at one point and has always had better stuff then Miley and for most part outside of 1 year has been top of rotation guy since 2014

A very dependable 2/3 who if he gets hot can be a capable #1

 

[Kaners Bald Spot]

That comparable doesn't make sense

Miley thru most of his career has been journeyman with many ups and downs

Dallas was a legit ace at one point and has always had better stuff then Miley and for most part outside of 1 year has been top of rotation guy since 2014

A very dependable 2/3 who if he gets hot can be a capable #1

Keuchel is a back of rotation starter that had a really good year. He was never a legit ace. He is a #4 at best and a guarantee to get lit up vs a good offense/in a playoff game.

 

[Blackhawkswincup]

Keuchel is a back of rotation starter that had a really good year.

Kuechel the last 6 years
2014 = 12-9 with 2.93 ERA
2015 = 20-8 with 2.48 ERA (All Star , Won Cy Young)
2016 = 9-12 with 4.55 ERA
2017 = 14-5 with 2.90 ERA (All Star)
2018 = 12-11 with 3.74 ERA
2019 = 8-8 with 3.75 ERA

Miley the last 6 years
2014 = 8-12 with 4.34 ERA
2015 = 11-11 with 4.46 ERA
2016 = 9-13 with 5.37 ERA
2017 = 8-15 with 5.61 ERA
2018 = 5-2 with 2.57 ERA (Only made 16 starts)
2019 = 14-6 with 3.98 ERA

Really?

Your takes are so off the mark here

 

[Mrfenn92]

Keuchel all day over Miley.

 

[Kaners Bald Spot]

Kuechel the last 6 years
2014 = 12-9 with 2.93 ERA
2015 = 20-8 with 2.48 ERA (All Star , Won Cy Young)
2016 = 9-12 with 4.55 ERA
2017 = 14-5 with 2.90 ERA (All Star)
2018 = 12-11 with 3.74 ERA
2019 = 8-8 with 3.75 ERA

Miley the last 6 years
2014 = 8-12 with 4.34 ERA
2015 = 11-11 with 4.46 ERA
2016 = 9-13 with 5.37 ERA
2017 = 8-15 with 5.61 ERA
2018 = 5-2 with 2.57 ERA (Only made 16 starts)
2019 = 14-6 with 3.98 ERA

Really?

Your takes are so off the mark here

Keuchel got injured in 2016-17 and isn't the same pitcher. He went from averaging 91 mph to averaging 88 mph. The pitcher he is now is similar to Miley. I don't want to spend $ 60M on a 32 year old pitcher that tops out at 90 MPH with a history of shoulder injuries.

 

[Mrfenn92]

I understand not wanting to overpay a guy. But the spot where the sox are at they are going to have to overpay for a starting pitcher of note. Personally I'm fine with overpaying Baum or keuchel.
If they do 2 deals for starters in 1 year territory then we will be disappointed again in the rotation.
Miley is fine as a 5th starter but they need someone that slots into the 2-3 spot for right now.

 

[clydesdale line]

I originally wanted nothing to do with Bumgarner as I figured some team would give him the 5 year, 100+ million contract he'd be seeking (as well as him being a bad fit at our park). But 70-75 million for say 3 years? I would gladly take him. He'll give up alot of bombs at G-Rate but at least he'll still K alot of people with his elite spin rate numbers. Plus, he'd take the ball every 5th day. At this point, meh why not...

 

[Sarava]

Kuechel the last 6 years
2014 = 12-9 with 2.93 ERA
2015 = 20-8 with 2.48 ERA (All Star , Won Cy Young)
2016 = 9-12 with 4.55 ERA
2017 = 14-5 with 2.90 ERA (All Star)
2018 = 12-11 with 3.74 ERA
2019 = 8-8 with 3.75 ERA

Miley the last 6 years
2014 = 8-12 with 4.34 ERA
2015 = 11-11 with 4.46 ERA
2016 = 9-13 with 5.37 ERA
2017 = 8-15 with 5.61 ERA
2018 = 5-2 with 2.57 ERA (Only made 16 starts)
2019 = 14-6 with 3.98 ERA

Really?

Your takes are so off the mark here

I don't see how Keuchel will be worth the contract he's about to get. Boras is a master at getting teams to overpay his players. He's probably going to get paid like a #2, and he's not a #2 anymore IMO.

 

[LDF]

A lot of it has to do with my confidence(or lack thereof) in the FO/ownership. With the Hawks, there is a level of trust and goodwill that has been earned. They've proven that they'll do what it takes to win championships. Not so much with the Sox. The Bears are somewhere in the middle of the Hawks and Sox.
I have zero confidence in Rick/Kenny/Jerry to do anything but **** up constantly.

i may be a minority here but i agree with you. as much as Hahn is doing a great job in rebuilding, i still suspect, of course without proof, that everything goes thru KW.

that is my factor for distrust of the WS FO.

 

[LDF]

I never expected Cole/Strasburg/Rendon.
I figured Cole and Strasburg weren't interested and Rendon never made sense.

After missing on Wheeler, it's hard to find fits. I'm not crazy about Bumgarner/Ryu/Keuchel.

I'm also not particularly high on Madrigal and Vaughn, so if they traded them for someone like Blake Snell or even someone better, that would be fine with me.

I'm fine with the Grandal and Mazara moves.

It hasn't been a disaster by any means, but it's not inspiring either.

at this point, unless the Sox the trade route, the only FA i really like as a sp is Keuchel. the reason is the idea of a major need for a good lh-sp.

ref to price, i wouldn't mind a spin here, but not at the expense of the prospects ......

the Sox have on record per Cots - $83 mil i believe.

 

[LDF]

I think he's a borderline tier B/C pitcher. I'm fine with him at that price point. (15-16 AAV)

I think he's going to be paid like a tier B pitcher (4 yrs 20 AAV) I hate him at that price.

I think he and Miley are similar pitchers.

and where as i am ok with that price. Kuechel he will have a better season this yr and he can provide leadership ......

 

[Elvis P]

I'm happy for Hawk. He was much better than Harry "I slur all my words" Caray. I don't dislike the Sox either.

 

[No Fun Shogun]

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