#OReillyWatch - Summer of 2014 - Part II

[m0ngr31]

Did the Hawks and the Kings have the same problems with such an ego player like ROR?
They should all stick together and build a championship team. That would be more
fun than an extra 500k bugs in my opinion.

Doughty

 

[henchman21]

It's a big deal whether or not they can trade him before the ruling.

If things don't go anywhere in negotiations again, he may not want to sign long term no matter what. Even if they come to him with the number he wants. For fear of a sign and trade to a team he doesn't get to choose.

He'll probably just take the arbitration and wait for a likely trade and/or UFA to choose his next team.

It would basically work where the team he is getting traded to would work out a deal, and then he would be traded to them. The only concern if he can't be traded pending arbitration is if he would refuse to sign the the ideal trade partner (say Columbus for arguments sake).

Sign and trade have happened eventhough they are fairly rare. It could easily be the same situation here.

That said, McKenzie didn't mention anything about not being able to be traded, so who knows if there is really that stipulation anymore.

 

[InjuredChoker]

It would basically work where the team he is getting traded to would work out a deal, and then he would be traded to them. The only concern if he can't be traded pending arbitration is if he would refuse to sign the the ideal trade partner (say Columbus for arguments sake).

Sign and trade have happened eventhough they are fairly rare. It could easily be the same situation here.

That said, McKenzie didn't mention anything about not being able to be traded, so who knows if there is really that stipulation anymore.

when has sign and trade happened in situation like this?

 

[henchman21]

when has sign and trade happened in situation like this?

Apparently Hossa and Setoguchi both did sign and trades.

 

[Freudian]

when has sign and trade happened in situation like this?

It's a unique situation because of the offer sheet. RFAs don't have a $6.5M qualifying offer coming out of a bridge deal.

So since this is a unusual situation, it may require Avs using an unusual solution to solve it. Ie, agree to whatever demand O'Reilly has on a long term deal and then ship him out. They don't need O'Reilly's approval to do it. It's probably easier not to seek it, seeing as how stubborn a young man he is and how willing he and his agent are when it comes to ****ing things up.

 

[Avsboy]

Adrian Dater @adater · 37s
Sakic: "We're still trying to sign Ryan. He's part of our core"

 

[Stig]

Adrian Dater @adater · 37s
Sakic: "We're still trying to sign Ryan. He's part of our core"

Colorado Avalanche ‏@Avalanche · 1m
"We have a structure here, and we believe in taking care of our core guys, and (@Ryan_OReilly90) and Paul are part of that," - Sakic #Avs

 

[hughdreamz]

What's the point of this press conference?

 

[a mangy Meowth]

So the press conference was pretty much fluff? I thought they were going to announce a signing

 

[ChibiPooky]

What's the point of this press conference?

To tell us about salary structure.

 

[Stig]

To tell us about salary structure.

And to allow all fans and media waiting to parse the hell out of everything said!

 

[henchman21]

And to allow all fans and media waiting to parse the hell out of everything said!

Pretty much....

 

[ChibiPooky]

And to allow all fans and media waiting to parse the hell out of everything said!

My parser is ready.

 

[CoachBadkitten]

Drew Spevak ‏@DrewSpevak 13s
Sakic: We just have a different point of view on the starting point with ROR

Does not sound good IMO.

 

[Burnaby_Joe*]

Drew Spevak ‏@DrewSpevak 13s
Sakic: We just have a different point of view on the starting point with ROR

Does not sound good IMO.

That doesn't sound good at all. Trade the greedy *******.

 

[Avs_19]

Adrian Dater @adater
Sakic: "Our intention is to have Ryan a Colorado Avalanche for a long time"

 

[henchman21]

That was obvious with the arbitration....

 

[CoachBadkitten]

That was obvious with the arbitration....

It really sounds like we're pushing for close to 5M though,which is ridiculous.

 

[ChibiPooky]

We already knew that. O'Reilly's camp wanted to start from the QO number and the Avs wanted to start from the theoretical arbitration number.

 

[The Mars Volchenkov]

It really sounds like we're pushing for close to 5M though, which is ridiculous.

I think that's jumping to a pretty big conclusion, considering what they paid Landy and Duchene. It's likely that ROR's camp is just stuck at 6.5M. The Avs know arb won't lower his salary below 5.5M, so no point starting below that.

 

[Burnaby_Joe*]

It really sounds like we're pushing for close to 5M though, which is ridiculous.

They're probably starting at 5.5, but O'Money's camp wants to start at 6.5 I bet.

 

[ChibiPooky]

Honestly I'm pretty optimistic about this. Given the assumed starting positions of the two parties, they're less than $1M apart.

I bet we don't hear a thing until they start talks with Stastny though. If I'm the Avs, I view Stastny as a much more transparent negotiation and I'll probably know how much money I have left for forwards much faster by talking to him first. I think they figure out pretty quickly if Stastny is coming back (and for how much), and negotiate accordingly with ROR.

 

[henchman21]

I think that's jumping to a pretty big conclusion, considering what they paid Landy and Duchene. It's likely that ROR's camp is just stuck at 6.5M. The Avs know arb won't lower his salary below 5.5M, so no point starting below that.

This... Both parties know the low end of the salary, and that is where things start from the Avs perspective.

I'd guess they will offer something in the 5.75-5.9 for 5-7 years as their final offer to ROR.

 

[CoachBadkitten]

I think that's jumping to a pretty big conclusion, considering what they paid Landy and Duchene. It's likely that ROR's camp is just stuck at 6.5M. The Avs know arb won't lower his salary below 5.5M, so no point starting below that.

Ah my bad. Forgot about the minimum arbitration price. I'd have to agree then, that I think we could should be able to get long-term deal done. Common sense says it should end up something around 6. But I'm worried that they heavily believe in the "duchene cap" and won't go above that.

 

[The Mars Volchenkov]

I'm assuming this means they aren't starting at 5M...

https://twitter.com/rboulding

Sakic: we respectable disagree. Using $5 mil cap hit to gauge value

Sakic threw a jab at O'Reilly's agent. Ha.