Agree. Except there is no big 4 ofc there is the Great One and the 3 trailing far behind.
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Agree. Except there is no big 4 ofc there is the Great One and the 3 trailing far behind.
Pominville Knows
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Agree that Orr is the great one but ahead of two other players with a third just behind them. Possibly Hasek is close to that group of players.
Making the net 2 inches wider and 1 inch taller would make up for some of the goalie equipment size explosion that has occurred.
Agree with both points and would add the floating blueline like they use in ball hockey, would create more offensive space on the ice without changing the dimensions of the rink.
Also why allow a PK team to ice the puck?
Lastly make playoff seeding 1-16, 2-15 ect so that Western conference teams wouldn't be so spent from travel compared to the East coast teams.
It would also make it possible for the 2 best teams to be in the SC finals if they are in the same conference, something that is impossible right now.
I'm biased as a Devils fan, but IMO Brodeur is underrated by many serious hockey fans because of how he played the game. He wasn't the best of all-time at stopping the puck, but his other skills, namely puck-handling, made him a great player. Fans notice when a goalie makes a great save, but they don't notice as much when a goalie prevents the other team from setting up in the zone or makes excellent passes to his teammates to set up a counter-rush. Brodeur was also the primary cause of a significant rule change (the creation of the trapezoid), something that cannot be said of many goalies or hockey players (or for that matter players in other sports).
JackSlater
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Zetterberg was better than Datsyuk, at least in terms of contributing to winning.
The NHL draft order should be completely random and decided at some point in the regular season. Even having weighted chances where at least every team has a chance at any given spot (as in 2005) would be far better.
The NHL draft order should be completely random and decided at some point in the regular season. Even having weighted chances where at least every team has a chance at any given spot (as in 2005) would be far better.
Orr might have the best peak, arguable at least, but in no way does he have the greatest career, hence he is not close to the greatest.
I don’t think the NHL should ever go back to tie games
The fact that we went 40 years without even overtime in the regular season (60 minutes and that’s it) is astonishing
The fact that we went 40 years without even overtime in the regular season (60 minutes and that’s it) is astonishing
MattySnipes
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- Bring the two-line pass back
- 3v3 OT for 10 mins, no SO
- Officiating discrepancy between regular season and playoffs.
- Not much emotion in regular season games
- Too many icings, stoppages, and instant replays
frisco
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--No loser point. Straight W or L for regulation, OT, or shootout. Imagine the shootout with everything on the line.
--Home team wears white.
--The quality of hockey right now is the best it has ever been.
--Jaromir Jagr is the 5th best player of all-time.
--1981 Canadian Canada Cup team is the best team ever assembled.
--Bring back touch icing.
--Being 5'10 or shorter means you cannot be an elite NHL goaltender.
--Tom Wilson is by far the dirtiest player of the century.
--The great dynasty's of the six team era (top four make playoffs, two rounds) can't really be measured against post-expansion (Habs, Isles, Oilers) ones.
--Tom Barrasso is the best eligible player not in the Hall.
--The Guns and Roses "big three" of Welcome To The Jungle, Sweet Child Of Mine, and Paradise City should forevermore be banned from NHL arenas.
--No matter how many times the Leafs score (I'm not a Leaf fan) I still won't get sick of hearing You Make My Dreams Come True by Hall and Oates.
My Best-Carey
--Home team wears white.
--The quality of hockey right now is the best it has ever been.
--Jaromir Jagr is the 5th best player of all-time.
--1981 Canadian Canada Cup team is the best team ever assembled.
--Bring back touch icing.
--Being 5'10 or shorter means you cannot be an elite NHL goaltender.
--Tom Wilson is by far the dirtiest player of the century.
--The great dynasty's of the six team era (top four make playoffs, two rounds) can't really be measured against post-expansion (Habs, Isles, Oilers) ones.
--Tom Barrasso is the best eligible player not in the Hall.
--The Guns and Roses "big three" of Welcome To The Jungle, Sweet Child Of Mine, and Paradise City should forevermore be banned from NHL arenas.
--No matter how many times the Leafs score (I'm not a Leaf fan) I still won't get sick of hearing You Make My Dreams Come True by Hall and Oates.
My Best-Carey
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Durability is a virtue in all professional sports whereas hockey fans succumb to JFK syndrome and the imaginations run wild to the point where getting seriously injured and missing a ton of games is considered a neutral event or possibly even increases a player's legacy beyond what it would have been had the player been durable and played those games.
Frisco,
Normally we're on the same page, and I agree with many of your points above, but Canada's roster in 81 Canada Cup as best team ever? Maybe on the top end, especially before the Perrault injury. But with Duguay, Gillies, Goring, Engblom, and a young Reinhart? Even Linseman and Gare weren't that good for the era.
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frisco
Some people claim that there's a woman to blame...
It's a debate. When you have Bossy, LaFleur, Perreault, Gretzky, Trottier, Potvin, Robinson, Dionne, Bourque leading the way it's hard to go against that top end. And Sittler, Barber, Shutt, Gartner were all basically cuts so that speaks to the depth. I think you could easily argue 76/84/87 also but I'll cast my lot with the 81 squad. Not by much, though.
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Johnny Engine
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Some of these "unpopular opinions" make me wonder what planet I live on. Who do you all talk to that love the loser point?
Here's one that I might be in more of a silent majority, if not the minority: The game has not "passed by" that 35-year-old defenseman who skates like he's wearing rubber boots and primarily contributes holding penalties. He is just old, has been injured more times than you even know, and you would love his 25-year-old doppelganger.
Here's one that I might be in more of a silent majority, if not the minority: The game has not "passed by" that 35-year-old defenseman who skates like he's wearing rubber boots and primarily contributes holding penalties. He is just old, has been injured more times than you even know, and you would love his 25-year-old doppelganger.
frisco
Some people claim that there's a woman to blame...
Good point. I was found it weird that if someone doesn't like a player who lacked durability it was the player couldn't stay healthy but if the player was more popular it is all about the peak and "what could've been" (Neely, Kariya, Bure, Lindros). Same the other way. A durable player is a "compiler" if someone wants to tear him down but has a long distinguished, consistent career if he's well liked.
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Jim MacDonald
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I don't know if I'm in the minority on this, and I've seen it posted, but part of me wants the red line back (2 line passes). Make these guys really exemplify their passing skills even though there is a red line....it forces the offensive players to have to be more creative/sneaky perhaps?
ricky0034
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i'm actively hoping that there's another lockout
that stuff is fascinating to read about and there's too many games in a season anyways so missing half a year every once in a while is honestly a welcome change of pace
that stuff is fascinating to read about and there's too many games in a season anyways so missing half a year every once in a while is honestly a welcome change of pace
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SealsFan
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How about ALL pop/rock music snippets be banned forever and we return to a live organist!!!! Old time hockey!
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BigBadBruins7708
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Orr's issue wasnt durability, it was medical science.
His knee issue gets fixed with a simple arthroscopic procedure and he's back to full health in 6 months today. It's just that the medical knowledge and technology didnt exist in 1965, so he was never able to be healthy.
Orr's career was ended at only age 26 because he was born a couple decades too early. Not because he was physically fragile.
Thousands of professional athletes have had similar knee injuries and haven't had their careers ended because of the modern surgeries to fix it.
Hobnobs
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Im just guessign but I dont think hes talking about Orr per se. Just that certain players gets seasons pro rated as great even though they missed half of it. Though I dont know any legends that this happens too. Apart from Orr most legendary players had full careers. The only ones I can think of is Orr, Lemieux and Lindros.
BigBadBruins7708
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ah, well that I'll agree with then. Thought he meant Orr because it followed a string of Orr > Gretzky posts
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Bobby Orr was not durable. That is a plain fact and you are in complete denial. Even in his healthy seasons he missed a fair amount of games.
Your post is pure speculation. There is no way to know how severe his surgery would have been, if his surgery would have been successful, if he ever would have ever been the same, or if he would have been at increased risk for another injury.
If Orr had come back and not been the same player - as is the case after many arthroscopic surgeries - I'd wager that it would hurt his legacy more than retirement or missing games did (as your post illustrates perfectly). The same goes for Lemieux, Forsberg, etc. Because again, imaginations are featured far too prominently in all-time player rankings.
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Orr is definitely in that category, along with Lemieux, Forsberg, and to a lesser extent Crosby and Malkin.
Especially Lemieux - people claim he was better than Gretzky, as if Gretzky didn't have more assists than Lemieux had points, and they compare career PPG as if Gretzky didn't play 700+ games after turning 30 vs Lemieux's ~ 300.
