One fans perspective

[RayP]

I'd have a really tough time naming 100 players I would rather have over Toews. I'd probably have a tough time naming 75.

With or without considering cap hit and length of deal?

Consider the cap hit and term and I’m not sure it would be that difficult.

 

[migi]

With or without considering cap hit and length of deal?

Consider the cap hit and term and I’m not sure it would be that difficult.

If you consider the caphit, do you find Toews as 3rd liner as there is 62 better forwards then Toews?

I sincerely hope you dont because there ain’t.

 

[RayP]

If you consider the caphit, do you find Toews as 3rd liner as there is 62 better forwards then Toews?

I sincerely hope you dont because there ain’t.

I’m not sure I follow what you’re getting at.

Are you comparing Toews to other 3rd liners? If so then yeah he’ll be one of the best 3rd liners in the league... except that whole problem of being paid more than almost everyone else in the whole damn league.

Factoring in cap hit, term, and recent performance and I can come up with a pretty big list of players I’d want from today and going forward.

 

[migi]

I’m not sure I follow what you’re getting at.

Are you comparing Toews to other 3rd liners? If so then yeah he’ll be one of the best 3rd liners in the league... except that whole problem of being paid more than almost everyone else in the whole damn league.

Factoring in cap hit, term, and recent performance and I can come up with a pretty big list of players I’d want from today and going forward.

Hawkaholic said that he doesnt think he could pick 100 or even 75 players before Toews. You said you could because Toews caphit. I asked do you view him as 3rd liner because even at that caphit he is still elite 2nd liner at this point and low-end first liner. And there are at least 62 first and second liners in the NHL.

Even at that caphit he is still a forward you take before many other top-6 forwards.

 

[Hawkaholic]

With or without considering cap hit and length of deal?

Consider the cap hit and term and I’m not sure it would be that difficult.

Cap hit has nothing to do with it. We are talking about the top 100 players, it didn't say top 100 contracts.

 

[RayP]

Hawkaholic said that he doesnt think he could pick 100 or even 75 players before Toews. You said you could because Toews caphit. I asked do you view him as 3rd liner because even at that caphit he is still elite 2nd liner at this point and low-end first liner. And there are at least 62 first and second liners in the NHL.

Even at that caphit he is still a forward you take before many other top-6 forwards.

I’d still consider him a 2nd liner and a good one at that. The contract is just depressing, though.

 

[Hawkaholic]

Factoring in cap hit, term, and recent performance and I can come up with a pretty big list of players I’d want from today and going forward.

Well yeah, but that's not what we were talking about.

 

[RayP]

Well yeah, but that's not what we were talking about.

Fair enough. These lists are usually pretty stupid anyway.

 

[migi]

I’d still consider him a 2nd liner and a good one at that. The contract is just depressing, though.

Can’t disagree.

 

[Robsker]

I’d still consider him a 2nd liner and a good one at that. The contract is just depressing, though.

Since there are 93 1st liners and Toews is, as you say, a very good 2nd liner --- that would place him easily behind 55-65 forwards. Add the 30-40 D-men you would rather have and the 5-6 goalies you would rather have and Toews is in that #100 player in the league +/- a dozen or so players. But, as you say, he is at the top of the league cost wise... perhaps the most overpaid guy in the league in real dollars. As you say... not so great a deal.

 

[Hawkaholic]

Since there are 93 1st liners and Toews is, as you say, a very good 2nd liner --- that would place him easily behind 55-65 forwards. Add the 30-40 D-men you would rather have and the 5-6 goalies you would rather have and Toews is in that #100 player in the league +/- a dozen or so players. But, as you say, he is at the top of the league cost wise... perhaps the most overpaid guy in the league in real dollars. As you say... not so great a deal.

Toews would be an elite 2nd liner, not a very good one, based off of his stats.
~35th in points per game among C's who took at least 500 faceoofs.

Toews is probably a better all around player than at least 5-10 of those players, IMO. So let's say he is a top 30 C (qualified as a player who takes more than 500 draws/year)

IMO, he is still a top line C, who just needs a couple of top line players for an entire year to boost his production, like most top line Cs have on their respective teams.

 

[Kaners PPGs]

I’d still consider him a 2nd liner and a good one at that. The contract is just depressing, though.

Agreed. Heavy criticism for Toews is not warranted. He's just overpaid 3 M or so.

 

[Hawkaholic]

Agreed. Heavy criticism for Toews is not warranted. He's just overpaid 3 M or so.

I'd say it's closer to 2mil, but yeah. Ryan Johansen got 8.5 and I think Toews is better than him.

 

[x Tame Impala]

TSN lists have always been dumb. Toews needs to be much better. His ranking means nothing to me

 

[Kaners PPGs]

I'd say it's closer to 2mil, but yeah. Ryan Johansen got 8.5 and I think Toews is better than him.

Johansen has a 8.0 M cap hit. I think a good Toews comp is O'Reilly at 7.5 M.

 

[Hawkaholic]

Johansen has a 8.0 M cap hit. I think a good Toews comp is O'Reilly at 7.5 M.

True, but O'Reilly is a little underpaid IMO.