Prospect Info: Olli Juolevi

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Hodgy

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How is he different than Hodgson?

Yes but it was junior. Juolevi won gold in the U20s, Mem cup blah blah blah.

Hodgson looked bad at camp just like Juolevi did and struggled in his transition to pro hockey. Both had/have skating issues it seems.

They're actually good comparisons at this point

No, they are really not. I think others have disproven your post enough so I won't go any further than this.
 

iceburg

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But you have to look at where he has come from to see what he could be. Is he improving? If so at what rate?
I don’t think it’s a linear progression. I think that’s pretty clear from every development process. The first year or two after draft are exponential then it levels off to a shallow growth curve in most cases. As long as you know the slope, and point you’re at, the origin doesn’t matter...
 

lawrence

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No. He wasn't. But I will give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you didn't watch the game. Just playing the narrative.


"Olli Juolevi was on the ice for seven of the first seven goals scored tonight. Defensively, he’s a complete liability whenever that puck is out of his reach. When there is a loose puck sitting out of arms reach of Juolevi and an opponent is racing for it, I tense up. History has shown that unless Juolevi’s linemates make the extra effort to recover on the loose puck, then there is likely a scoring chance going the other way. Offensively, the guy is dynamite from the point. His shot is crisp and almost always finds its way towards the net. Even someone as reliable as Ashton Sautner can’t make up for Juolevi’s skating deficiencies, however. I don’t know if I could single-out Juolevi on any of those goals-against as the first three were the result of pretty poor puck tracking and rebound control from MDP. Still, those odd-man rushes generated by Juolevi’s lack of skate speed will not allow him to succeed at the NHL level, let alone at the AHL level."

this is the info I got, but if you saw something else, I will gladly side with you. Please dont get me mixed in with the other Juolevi haters . I'm not one of them.
 

Megaterio Llamas

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"Olli Juolevi was on the ice for seven of the first seven goals scored tonight. Defensively, he’s a complete liability whenever that puck is out of his reach. When there is a loose puck sitting out of arms reach of Juolevi and an opponent is racing for it, I tense up. History has shown that unless Juolevi’s linemates make the extra effort to recover on the loose puck, then there is likely a scoring chance going the other way. Offensively, the guy is dynamite from the point. His shot is crisp and almost always finds its way towards the net. Even someone as reliable as Ashton Sautner can’t make up for Juolevi’s skating deficiencies, however. I don’t know if I could single-out Juolevi on any of those goals-against as the first three were the result of pretty poor puck tracking and rebound control from MDP. Still, those odd-man rushes generated by Juolevi’s lack of skate speed will not allow him to succeed at the NHL level, let alone at the AHL level."

this is the info I got, but if you saw something else, I will gladly side with you. Please dont get me mixed in with the other Juolevi haters . I'm not one of them.
Lol that looks like a report from sometime last year. Olli had his best game tonight imo. Where did you find this might I ask? Certainly not on today's live game thread. You weren't there.
 

settinguptheplay

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"Olli Juolevi was on the ice for seven of the first seven goals scored tonight (but not mentioning that 3 of them were Utica goals and that he assisted on 2 of them). Defensively, he’s a complete liability whenever that puck is out of his reach (Complete liability? Hyperbole and therefore irrelevant). When there is a loose puck sitting out of arms reach of Juolevi and an opponent is racing for it, I tense up (Deep breath. Opinion and irrelevant). History has shown that unless Juolevi’s linemates make the extra effort to recover on the loose puck, then there is likely a scoring chance going the other way (History has shown has it. Hyperbole and irrelevant). Offensively, the guy is dynamite from the point. His shot is crisp and almost always finds its way towards the net (Yes. His one NHL level quality). Even someone as reliable as Ashton Sautner can’t make up for Juolevi’s skating deficiencies, however (A year without a major surgery and perhaps a full off season to train might help too). I don’t know if I could single-out Juolevi on any of those goals-against as the first three were the result of pretty poor puck tracking and rebound control from MDP (Yet you still manage to use the goals as evidence of Juolevi's horribad defense). Still, those odd-man rushes generated by Juolevi’s lack of skate speed will not allow him to succeed at the NHL level, let alone at the AHL level (He is already succeeding at the AHL level. I too have doubts about his NHL projection)."

this is the info I got, but if you saw something else, I will gladly side with you. Please dont get me mixed in with the other Juolevi haters . I'm not one of them.

I thought OJ was good tonite. Certainly nothing to consider a complete liability. Hence I was curious as to whether you watched the game or just defaulted to the narrative. So did you watch the game?
 
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"Olli Juolevi was on the ice for seven of the first seven goals scored tonight. Defensively, he’s a complete liability whenever that puck is out of his reach. When there is a loose puck sitting out of arms reach of Juolevi and an opponent is racing for it, I tense up. History has shown that unless Juolevi’s linemates make the extra effort to recover on the loose puck, then there is likely a scoring chance going the other way. Offensively, the guy is dynamite from the point. His shot is crisp and almost always finds its way towards the net. Even someone as reliable as Ashton Sautner can’t make up for Juolevi’s skating deficiencies, however. I don’t know if I could single-out Juolevi on any of those goals-against as the first three were the result of pretty poor puck tracking and rebound control from MDP. Still, those odd-man rushes generated by Juolevi’s lack of skate speed will not allow him to succeed at the NHL level, let alone at the AHL level."

this is the info I got, but if you saw something else, I will gladly side with you. Please dont get me mixed in with the other Juolevi haters . I'm not one of them.

I too saw that reddit post but when I actually watch the clips that @THRILLHOIAF uses to say Juolevi had a bad game all I see is Juolevi making good defensive plays while not skating as fast Quinn Hughes. You should watch the clips and make up your own mind but anyone who is saying Juolevi has been playing bad defensively right now hasn’t the ability to correctly evaluate who is doing the right thing vs who isn’t on any given shift when it comes to defensemen.
 
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I thought OJ was good tonite. Certainly nothing to consider a complete liability. Hence I was curious as to whether you watched the game or just defaulted to the narrative. So did you watch the game?

No I didn't watch the game, and if you though he was good I am happy. I'm actually an Oli supporter
 
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lawrence

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He took that from a poster on reddit

you bet I did. take things from every where.

this was the entire post.




Merry Christmas Canucks Nation, it’s been a while since we checked in on the Farm with the Comets Harvest! As you all know, I was selected as the fourth fellow for the Botchford Project and that, coupled with my many Holiday obligations, took me away from my usual Comets coverage.
My day as a Botchford Fellow was a whirlwind, unlike anything I’ve ever experienced in my entire life. Beyond the crash-course in Canucks-media activities, it was a fantastic learning opportunity where I was able to meet plenty of staples to Canucks media who welcomed me with open arms.
That doesn’t even account for the fantastic people within the Canucks organization who did everything they could to allow me to get everything I needed for my piece.
Although interviewing players is a completely foreign concept to me, I’m stoked that this experience allowed me to spread my wings and give’er a whirl. Hopefully, I didn’t embarrass myself too much in front of the guys who graciously offered up their time to me! I think my inexperience may have resulted in me not getting all the right information that I was looking for. But, nonetheless, I’m proud of what I put together, and hopefully, it reads well.
Huge thanks to everyone on this subreddit, on twitter, discord, Hfboards, anywhere really, who sent encouraging words to me throughout this process! Truth be told, it was a very bittersweet experience, knowing why I was there at all. I paid a visit to the Botchford bench beforehand and asked the legend himself to send some luck my way for the night. Outside of goofing on my interviews a bit, the day ended up going my way, the 19th.
Oh, and the Canucks are now 3-and-0 since my visit.
¯_(ツ)_/¯
Just saying!
Oh, right, the Comets! The Comets are riding a three-game win streak after an up-and-down month that has seen the Comets ride a December record of 5-wins, 3-losses, and two shootout-losses.
Coming into tonight’s matchup, the Farm team sits 3rd in the North Division with 39 points and a 0.629 points-earning-percentage. Their opponent tonight, the Washington Capitals farm-team, Hershey Bears, sit similarily third in the Atlantic Division, with 37 points and a 0.617 points-earning-percentage.
The last time the Comets played the Bears, the team was bailed out by a phenomenal goaltending performance from Michael Di Pietro. During the match, the Comets dragged a 1-1 game to the shootout after giving up an astonishing 72 shot-attempts at even-strength to their 36. MDP ended the game with a 0.974 save percentage and a 0.92 goals-against-average.
The Bears are coming into tonight’s matchup riding an eight-game win streak, having gone undefeated through the entirety of December.
On the Comets side, tonight is the return of Michael Di Pietro to the starting lineup, as well as PK specialist Jalen Chatfield. The team’s PK suffered in Chatfield’s recent absence, as they killed off just 9 of their past 13 times spent short-handed. Amongst Culls penalty-kill staples, Chatfield leads the Comets with the highest powerplay suppression percentage, at 95.6% with him on the ice.
Apparently, this is the first time all season where no one on the Comets lineup is listed on IR prior to tonight’s festivities! Let's get into tonight’s starting lineup!
THE STARTING LINEUP
LWCRW
Baertschi (#47)Malone (#17)Boucher (#24)
Goldobin (#77)Camper (#19)Perron (#27)
Bailey (#95)Jasek (#9)Lind (#13)
Gadjovich (#21)Bancks (#34)Arseneau (#18)
[TBODY] [/TBODY]
[TBODY] [/TBODY]
LDRD
Juolevi (#48)Sautner (#6)
Brisebois (#55)Rafferty (#25)
Blujus (#8)Chatfield (#5)
[TBODY] [/TBODY]
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G
Michael Di Pietro
[TBODY] [/TBODY]
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RE: INJURY REPORT
NONE
Healthy Scratches----------
Richard BachmanDyson StevensonMitch EliotWacey HamiltonJosh TevesStefan LeBlanc
[TBODY] [/TBODY]
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The Comets sent David Pope back down to the Kalamazoo Wings, just in time for their weekend wearing their flying skate jersey!
1st period#
Comets in Blue
The score at the end of the 1st period: 4-1 Bears
They looked ok through the first 6 minutes, but oh boy did they fall apart through that middle chunk of the period. Comets end the period having been outshot by the Bears 13 to 6. Comets rang two shots off the bar, but those were the only real dangerous shots they had. Remaining forty minutes are going to be tough for this squad if they can’t find a way to hit the net.
2nd Period
The score at the end of the 2nd period: 4-2 Bears
Way better period from the Comets, Bears caught on the backfoot through the majority of the second period. The entirety of the action took place in the Bears end or through neutral ice. Comets outshot the Bears eleven to six through the middle frame and certainly out-attempted them as well. Will be interesting tracking this one after the fact as the Comets have had a complete inverse performance in the second period.
3rd period
The score at the end of the 3rd period: 5-5 Tie
An absolutely fantastic comeback effort from the Utica Comets after 60 minutes of play, erasing two three-goal leads and a late one-goal lead off a brutal non-call after a player injury. Could’ve seen the team collapse on that shorthanded goal, but I think the non-call on the high-stick to Perron gave the team some extra fire to close this one out in front of the home crowd. At the very least, they’ll be getting one-point out of this terrific effort.
Overtime
  • Lind back on the bench to start overtime with some stitches on the chin
  • Jasek, Goldobin, Brisebois start
  • Baertschi, Boucher and Rafferty out next after the puck gets cycled around the Comets end through the first minute
  • Camper Bailey Sautner third out for the defensive zone draw
  • Bears get a rush into the Comets zone, and Carter Camper (#19) gets called for hooking on Jonsson-Fjallby
  • Bears pull Vanecek for the extra-attacker, and after getting a touch on the puck, the Comets will spend two of the remaining three minutes shorthanded
  • Bancks, Chatfield, Juolevi the penalty-killers for Utica
  • GOAL – HERSHEY – 6-5 Bears: Mike Sgarbossa wins it for the Bears in overtime with a rifling one-timer under the glove-side of McIntyre. Chatfield gets caught spinning as he chases Sgarbossa’s pass to Bobby Nardella, and loses position to block Sgarbossa’s blast. Unfortunate end to an otherwise exciting comeback effort from the Comets.
Final Score: 6-5 Hershey Bears
Scoresheet
PeriodTeamGoalscorerPrimary assisthelpertype
1stHERGarret PilonMike Sgarbossa--5v5
1stHERGarret PilonMike Sgarbossa--5v5
1stHERKody ClarkAxel Jonsson-FjallbyBrian Pinho5v5
1stUTIVincent ArseneauJonah GadjovichCarter Bancks5v5
1stHERJoe SnivelyMike SgarbossaTyler Lewington5v5
2ndUTISeamus MaloneOlli JuoleviVincent Arseneau5v5
3rdUTICarter CamperReid BoucherOlli Juolevi5v5
3rdUTILukas JasekJustin BaileyKole Lind5v5
3rdHERBrian PinhoAxel Jonsson-Fjallby--SHG
3rdUTILukas JasekJustin Bailey--5v5
OTHERMike SgarbossaBrian NardellaGarret PilonPPG
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Takeaways
  • Olli Juolevi was on the ice for seven of the first seven goals scored tonight. Defensively, he’s a complete liability whenever that puck is out of his reach. When there is a loose puck sitting out of arms reach of Juolevi and an opponent is racing for it, I tense up. History has shown that unless Juolevi’s linemates make the extra effort to recover on the loose puck, then there is likely a scoring chance going the other way. Offensively, the guy is dynamite from the point. His shot is crisp and almost always finds its way towards the net. Even someone as reliable as Ashton Sautner can’t make up for Juolevi’s skating deficiencies, however. I don’t know if I could single-out Juolevi on any of those goals-against as the first three were the result of pretty poor puck tracking and rebound control from MDP. Still, those odd-man rushes generated by Juolevi’s lack of skate speed will not allow him to succeed at the NHL level, let alone at the AHL level.
  • Fantastic battle from the Comets to rally back after a brutal opening period. Too bad they couldn’t generate anything on the powerplay. Five powerplay opportunities with nothing to show for it is a bad look for any team. Let alone a team with Reid Boucher, Nikolay Goldobin and Sven Baertschi on it.
  • Nikolay Goldobin had a fantastic game, even if he didn’t wind up on the scoresheet. He led the team in shots on goal and was displaying some excellent puck handling all throughout. Unfortunate he couldn’t capitalize on any of his chances, nor could his linemates with him on the ice. Liked his battle overall, interesting to see him getting significant penalty-kill time for Cull tonight. He’s been used sparingly on the PK in previous games, but that was usually due to injuries. Tonight, the team had practically all of their main PK staples, and Goldobin was still on the second shift out for the Baertschi-elbowing PK.
  • Justin Bailey has quietly racked up five goals and five assists through eleven games this month. Tonight he was utilizing his speed effectively, using his speed to get around the defense and set-up his linemates at center-ice on numerous occasions. More of this! Less of the “skate circles around the offensive zone, before lobbing a weak shot off the back of the net.
  • Pretty brutal night for Reid Boucher and Sven Baertschi on that first line. Couldn’t get the bounces to go their way in the first, with both guys ending their night with the worst goal-differentials on the team. Not for lack of trying, however, as both seemed to struggle to find the right shooting lanes. But the Bears hard-matched their line with the speedy trio of Snively, Pilon and Sgarbossa. The one time the Boucher-Baertschi-Malone trio were not getting hard-matched, they scored, with the Carter Camper goal that brought the team within one. As fast as Seamus Malone can be for that line, he simply can’t match the physicality of other teams' first-line players. Carter Bancks, despite his effectiveness as a fourth-line center, might actually be a better fit for them moving forward. Malone will do much better not having to physically match his opponents when he’s got guys like Gadjovich and Arseneau carrying the physical load for him
  • Outside of the overtime winner, I thought Chatfield had a really good game. He and Blujus were a much better pairing than Chatfield/Juolevi has ever been. I like his game way more in that shutdown, minute-eater role with Blujus than in that “puck-moving/offensive-defenseman” role, alongside Juolevi.
  • Lukas Jasek had a solid second half of the game, after a brutal display of defensive coverage on the Bears' third straight goal in the first period. At one point, Jasek was put out there with Goldobin, and the two looked very lethargic together. I know the two hang out a lot outside of team events, but on-ice tonight the two looked flat. The two last played consistently on a line together back on November 1st against the Providence Bruins. Back when Jasek centered Baertschi and Goldobin, the team had won eight games straight. In their brief time together tonight, they looked like they’d never played together before. I enjoyed the Euro line back in October, so I hope tonight’s rather “meh” display from the two doesn’t void any chance of that trio reuniting in the future. Happy to see Jasek pick up two goals tonight, he’s had a rough season when it comes to controlling shot-attempts at even-strength. He could use the bounces going his way moving forward. Also, move him back to the wing.
  • The Gadjonaissance continues with a strong showing on the fourth-line tonight. Started a fair number of shifts with defensive zone faceoffs and turned them into scoring chances the other way. His assist tonight gives him 9 points in 18 games played in very limited minutes. By my estimation, Gadjovich logs around 11 minutes per night, glad to see him make use of his limited time and be a difference-maker for the team.
Comets Three Stars
  • Justin Bailey
  • Lukas Jasek
  • Vincent Arseneau
The Comets Trajectory?
The Comets return tomorrow night when they hit the road to face off against the Lehigh Valley Phantoms. The Phantoms currently sit dead last in the Atlantic Division with 29 points and have had a brutal December stretch, having picked up wins in just three of their last nine games. The Phantoms sit with the worst penalty-killing-percentage in the Atlantic Division and are barely surviving with the second-worst powerplay-percentage. Comets have a good chance against a weak team. But as the Comets showed against Bridgeport and Binghamton two-weeks ago, easy-wins aren’t always guaranteed.
As always, if you want to read up on this Comets Harvest or the 2018-19 Farmies editions, you can find them all at my Comets Harvest Blog here
If you want more Comets coverage from yours truly, you can now find MORE of my writing at thesinbin.net
 

Megaterio Llamas

el rey del mambo
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you bet I did. take things from every where.

this was the entire post.




Merry Christmas Canucks Nation, it’s been a while since we checked in on the Farm with the Comets Harvest! As you all know, I was selected as the fourth fellow for the Botchford Project and that, coupled with my many Holiday obligations, took me away from my usual Comets coverage.
My day as a Botchford Fellow was a whirlwind, unlike anything I’ve ever experienced in my entire life. Beyond the crash-course in Canucks-media activities, it was a fantastic learning opportunity where I was able to meet plenty of staples to Canucks media who welcomed me with open arms.
That doesn’t even account for the fantastic people within the Canucks organization who did everything they could to allow me to get everything I needed for my piece.
Although interviewing players is a completely foreign concept to me, I’m stoked that this experience allowed me to spread my wings and give’er a whirl. Hopefully, I didn’t embarrass myself too much in front of the guys who graciously offered up their time to me! I think my inexperience may have resulted in me not getting all the right information that I was looking for. But, nonetheless, I’m proud of what I put together, and hopefully, it reads well.
Huge thanks to everyone on this subreddit, on twitter, discord, Hfboards, anywhere really, who sent encouraging words to me throughout this process! Truth be told, it was a very bittersweet experience, knowing why I was there at all. I paid a visit to the Botchford bench beforehand and asked the legend himself to send some luck my way for the night. Outside of goofing on my interviews a bit, the day ended up going my way, the 19th.
Oh, and the Canucks are now 3-and-0 since my visit.
¯_(ツ)_/¯
Just saying!
Oh, right, the Comets! The Comets are riding a three-game win streak after an up-and-down month that has seen the Comets ride a December record of 5-wins, 3-losses, and two shootout-losses.
Coming into tonight’s matchup, the Farm team sits 3rd in the North Division with 39 points and a 0.629 points-earning-percentage. Their opponent tonight, the Washington Capitals farm-team, Hershey Bears, sit similarily third in the Atlantic Division, with 37 points and a 0.617 points-earning-percentage.
The last time the Comets played the Bears, the team was bailed out by a phenomenal goaltending performance from Michael Di Pietro. During the match, the Comets dragged a 1-1 game to the shootout after giving up an astonishing 72 shot-attempts at even-strength to their 36. MDP ended the game with a 0.974 save percentage and a 0.92 goals-against-average.
The Bears are coming into tonight’s matchup riding an eight-game win streak, having gone undefeated through the entirety of December.
On the Comets side, tonight is the return of Michael Di Pietro to the starting lineup, as well as PK specialist Jalen Chatfield. The team’s PK suffered in Chatfield’s recent absence, as they killed off just 9 of their past 13 times spent short-handed. Amongst Culls penalty-kill staples, Chatfield leads the Comets with the highest powerplay suppression percentage, at 95.6% with him on the ice.
Apparently, this is the first time all season where no one on the Comets lineup is listed on IR prior to tonight’s festivities! Let's get into tonight’s starting lineup!
THE STARTING LINEUP
LWCRW
Baertschi (#47)Malone (#17)Boucher (#24)
Goldobin (#77)Camper (#19)Perron (#27)
Bailey (#95)Jasek (#9)Lind (#13)
Gadjovich (#21)Bancks (#34)Arseneau (#18)
[TBODY] [/TBODY]
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LDRD
Juolevi (#48)Sautner (#6)
Brisebois (#55)Rafferty (#25)
Blujus (#8)Chatfield (#5)
[TBODY] [/TBODY]
[TBODY] [/TBODY]
G
Michael Di Pietro
[TBODY] [/TBODY]
[TBODY] [/TBODY]
RE: INJURY REPORT
NONE
Healthy Scratches----------
Richard BachmanDyson StevensonMitch EliotWacey HamiltonJosh TevesStefan LeBlanc
[TBODY] [/TBODY]
[TBODY] [/TBODY]
The Comets sent David Pope back down to the Kalamazoo Wings, just in time for their weekend wearing their flying skate jersey!
1st period#
Comets in Blue
The score at the end of the 1st period: 4-1 Bears
They looked ok through the first 6 minutes, but oh boy did they fall apart through that middle chunk of the period. Comets end the period having been outshot by the Bears 13 to 6. Comets rang two shots off the bar, but those were the only real dangerous shots they had. Remaining forty minutes are going to be tough for this squad if they can’t find a way to hit the net.
2nd Period
The score at the end of the 2nd period: 4-2 Bears
Way better period from the Comets, Bears caught on the backfoot through the majority of the second period. The entirety of the action took place in the Bears end or through neutral ice. Comets outshot the Bears eleven to six through the middle frame and certainly out-attempted them as well. Will be interesting tracking this one after the fact as the Comets have had a complete inverse performance in the second period.
3rd period
The score at the end of the 3rd period: 5-5 Tie
An absolutely fantastic comeback effort from the Utica Comets after 60 minutes of play, erasing two three-goal leads and a late one-goal lead off a brutal non-call after a player injury. Could’ve seen the team collapse on that shorthanded goal, but I think the non-call on the high-stick to Perron gave the team some extra fire to close this one out in front of the home crowd. At the very least, they’ll be getting one-point out of this terrific effort.
Overtime
  • Lind back on the bench to start overtime with some stitches on the chin
  • Jasek, Goldobin, Brisebois start
  • Baertschi, Boucher and Rafferty out next after the puck gets cycled around the Comets end through the first minute
  • Camper Bailey Sautner third out for the defensive zone draw
  • Bears get a rush into the Comets zone, and Carter Camper (#19) gets called for hooking on Jonsson-Fjallby
  • Bears pull Vanecek for the extra-attacker, and after getting a touch on the puck, the Comets will spend two of the remaining three minutes shorthanded
  • Bancks, Chatfield, Juolevi the penalty-killers for Utica
  • GOAL – HERSHEY – 6-5 Bears: Mike Sgarbossa wins it for the Bears in overtime with a rifling one-timer under the glove-side of McIntyre. Chatfield gets caught spinning as he chases Sgarbossa’s pass to Bobby Nardella, and loses position to block Sgarbossa’s blast. Unfortunate end to an otherwise exciting comeback effort from the Comets.
Final Score: 6-5 Hershey Bears
Scoresheet
PeriodTeamGoalscorerPrimary assisthelpertype
1stHERGarret PilonMike Sgarbossa--5v5
1stHERGarret PilonMike Sgarbossa--5v5
1stHERKody ClarkAxel Jonsson-FjallbyBrian Pinho5v5
1stUTIVincent ArseneauJonah GadjovichCarter Bancks5v5
1stHERJoe SnivelyMike SgarbossaTyler Lewington5v5
2ndUTISeamus MaloneOlli JuoleviVincent Arseneau5v5
3rdUTICarter CamperReid BoucherOlli Juolevi5v5
3rdUTILukas JasekJustin BaileyKole Lind5v5
3rdHERBrian PinhoAxel Jonsson-Fjallby--SHG
3rdUTILukas JasekJustin Bailey--5v5
OTHERMike SgarbossaBrian NardellaGarret PilonPPG
[TBODY] [/TBODY]
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Takeaways
  • Olli Juolevi was on the ice for seven of the first seven goals scored tonight. Defensively, he’s a complete liability whenever that puck is out of his reach. When there is a loose puck sitting out of arms reach of Juolevi and an opponent is racing for it, I tense up. History has shown that unless Juolevi’s linemates make the extra effort to recover on the loose puck, then there is likely a scoring chance going the other way. Offensively, the guy is dynamite from the point. His shot is crisp and almost always finds its way towards the net. Even someone as reliable as Ashton Sautner can’t make up for Juolevi’s skating deficiencies, however. I don’t know if I could single-out Juolevi on any of those goals-against as the first three were the result of pretty poor puck tracking and rebound control from MDP. Still, those odd-man rushes generated by Juolevi’s lack of skate speed will not allow him to succeed at the NHL level, let alone at the AHL level.
  • Fantastic battle from the Comets to rally back after a brutal opening period. Too bad they couldn’t generate anything on the powerplay. Five powerplay opportunities with nothing to show for it is a bad look for any team. Let alone a team with Reid Boucher, Nikolay Goldobin and Sven Baertschi on it.
  • Nikolay Goldobin had a fantastic game, even if he didn’t wind up on the scoresheet. He led the team in shots on goal and was displaying some excellent puck handling all throughout. Unfortunate he couldn’t capitalize on any of his chances, nor could his linemates with him on the ice. Liked his battle overall, interesting to see him getting significant penalty-kill time for Cull tonight. He’s been used sparingly on the PK in previous games, but that was usually due to injuries. Tonight, the team had practically all of their main PK staples, and Goldobin was still on the second shift out for the Baertschi-elbowing PK.
  • Justin Bailey has quietly racked up five goals and five assists through eleven games this month. Tonight he was utilizing his speed effectively, using his speed to get around the defense and set-up his linemates at center-ice on numerous occasions. More of this! Less of the “skate circles around the offensive zone, before lobbing a weak shot off the back of the net.
  • Pretty brutal night for Reid Boucher and Sven Baertschi on that first line. Couldn’t get the bounces to go their way in the first, with both guys ending their night with the worst goal-differentials on the team. Not for lack of trying, however, as both seemed to struggle to find the right shooting lanes. But the Bears hard-matched their line with the speedy trio of Snively, Pilon and Sgarbossa. The one time the Boucher-Baertschi-Malone trio were not getting hard-matched, they scored, with the Carter Camper goal that brought the team within one. As fast as Seamus Malone can be for that line, he simply can’t match the physicality of other teams' first-line players. Carter Bancks, despite his effectiveness as a fourth-line center, might actually be a better fit for them moving forward. Malone will do much better not having to physically match his opponents when he’s got guys like Gadjovich and Arseneau carrying the physical load for him
  • Outside of the overtime winner, I thought Chatfield had a really good game. He and Blujus were a much better pairing than Chatfield/Juolevi has ever been. I like his game way more in that shutdown, minute-eater role with Blujus than in that “puck-moving/offensive-defenseman” role, alongside Juolevi.
  • Lukas Jasek had a solid second half of the game, after a brutal display of defensive coverage on the Bears' third straight goal in the first period. At one point, Jasek was put out there with Goldobin, and the two looked very lethargic together. I know the two hang out a lot outside of team events, but on-ice tonight the two looked flat. The two last played consistently on a line together back on November 1st against the Providence Bruins. Back when Jasek centered Baertschi and Goldobin, the team had won eight games straight. In their brief time together tonight, they looked like they’d never played together before. I enjoyed the Euro line back in October, so I hope tonight’s rather “meh” display from the two doesn’t void any chance of that trio reuniting in the future. Happy to see Jasek pick up two goals tonight, he’s had a rough season when it comes to controlling shot-attempts at even-strength. He could use the bounces going his way moving forward. Also, move him back to the wing.
  • The Gadjonaissance continues with a strong showing on the fourth-line tonight. Started a fair number of shifts with defensive zone faceoffs and turned them into scoring chances the other way. His assist tonight gives him 9 points in 18 games played in very limited minutes. By my estimation, Gadjovich logs around 11 minutes per night, glad to see him make use of his limited time and be a difference-maker for the team.
Comets Three Stars
  • Justin Bailey
  • Lukas Jasek
  • Vincent Arseneau
The Comets Trajectory?
The Comets return tomorrow night when they hit the road to face off against the Lehigh Valley Phantoms. The Phantoms currently sit dead last in the Atlantic Division with 29 points and have had a brutal December stretch, having picked up wins in just three of their last nine games. The Phantoms sit with the worst penalty-killing-percentage in the Atlantic Division and are barely surviving with the second-worst powerplay-percentage. Comets have a good chance against a weak team. But as the Comets showed against Bridgeport and Binghamton two-weeks ago, easy-wins aren’t always guaranteed.
As always, if you want to read up on this Comets Harvest or the 2018-19 Farmies editions, you can find them all at my Comets Harvest Blog here
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I think *I know who that is, he's a good poster. I think he's missing recent improvements in Juolevi's game though. It happens.
 

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lol , if you look at that entire post, it's anything but trolling. Cause he goes into details of what happened during the entire game,and not just about Olli.

The issue is the level of bias that any particular poster may have. Seems to me that this poster (the Reddit guy) is filling in his own narrative that OJ is a bad dman. Comparing his brief note on Juolevi to the game tonite I believe him as having a very poor evaluation of hockey. At least in regard to OJ. I think he was the best dman on either side of the ice. The fact he was a -3 half way through the first points to the flaw in +/- as a statistic. If OJ can play like this with consistency he will be in the NHL by seasons end.
 
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The issue is the level of bias that any particular poster may have. Seems to me that this poster (the Reddit guy) is filling in his own narrative that OJ is a bad dman. Comparing his brief note on Juolevi to the game tonite I believe him as having a very poor evaluation of hockey. At least in regard to OJ. I think he was the best dman on either side of the ice. The fact he was a -3 half way through the first points to the flaw in +/- as a statistic. If OJ can play like this with consistency he will be in the NHL by seasons end.

I am breathing a sigh of relief then. Olli' previous game were he scored the o.t winner he (Juolevi) said that was his best game all season, I hope we get to see this kid sometime with the Canucks this year.
 

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I think *I know who that is, he's a good poster. I think he's missing recent improvements in Juolevi's game though. It happens.

I assume he just have a bias against Juolevi.

"Juolevi’s (#48) lack of skating speed nearly results in a tiebreaker goal from the Bears, after Juolevi gets beaten to the puck in the Comets end"

Is an example of what I mean. He does not make any kind of comment like this about any other player. It was all fact based such as a penalty or a blocked shot or goal. Then suddenly a random swipe at a player who is otherwise having a solid game. His post game commentary felt like a dive into the past to OJ's first half dozen games in the AHL. Which were about as he described. The guy may or may not know hockey. He obviously follows it. But he is living in his past bias.
 
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I assume he just have a bias against Juolevi.

"Juolevi’s (#48) lack of skating speed nearly results in a tiebreaker goal from the Bears, after Juolevi gets beaten to the puck in the Comets end"

Is an example of what I mean. He does not make any kind of comment like this about any other player. It was all fact based such as a penalty or a blocked shot or goal. Then suddenly a random swipe at a player who is otherwise having a solid game. His post game commentary felt like a dive into the past to OJ's first half dozen games in the AHL. Which were about as he described. The guy may or may not know hockey. He obviously follows it. But he is living in his past bias.
It just feels like piling on after what was a very strong game from Juolevi. I know and like the poster, he's a guy that posts here but he seems to be wrestling with his own biases tonight.
 

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I really disagree.

Hodgson's D+1 was phenomenal. There was a lot of growth there. Then he ran into injury trouble. But he managed it well enough to become a pretty useful NHLer (which OJ is nowhere near at this point). He was still tracking upward. Until the degenerative condition he had derailed his career.
Degenerative short leg slow skater syndrome.... Cody was worse than Granlund in a 1 on 1 battle...whatever he was untenable at 5v5

OJ had many of the same junior accomplishments at 17/18 that Cody had at 18/19. Just because he had a mediocre season after he accomplished everything one could his draft year in London he had a similar arrival in pro hockey and a bad injury that set his career back which is my point.
 
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Who the hell is comparing juolevi with hodgson lmfao. Jesus.
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Degenerative short leg slow skater syndrome.... Cody was worse than Granlund in a 1 on 1 battle...whatever he was untenable at 5v5

OJ had many of the same junior accomplishments at 17/18 that Cody had at 18/19. Just because he had a mediocre season after he accomplished everything one could his draft year in London he had a similar arrival in pro hockey and a bad injury that set his career back which is my point.
Short Leg Syndrome you say?

I knew Cody had the bad back but I did not realize he had inherited the SLS as well. Wow, that's tough.

Say, why are we not allowed to discuss the Canadian accent on HF? I believe I have traced the origin of Canadian Raising to a Tim Horton's in Kate Beirness' home town in Ontario but I'm afraid to share the exciting discovery for fear of having the thread locked :(
 

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Degenerative short leg slow skater syndrome.... Cody was worse than Granlund in a 1 on 1 battle...whatever he was untenable at 5v5

OJ had many of the same junior accomplishments at 17/18 that Cody had at 18/19. Just because he had a mediocre season after he accomplished everything one could his draft year in London he had a similar arrival in pro hockey and a bad injury that set his career back which is my point.

The entire point is that one guy had a spectacular D+1 and was on a clear upward trajectory when he was injured, while the other didn't take the same type of big steps in his D+1, and then ran into injury problems on top of it. Further to that, even with the back injury and "similar arrival in pro hockey," Hodgson was already a ~20 goal scorer in the NHL at the end of what would be this season for Juolevi. Those are not particularly similar cases other than that they're hockey players and they got hurt at some point.
 

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The entire point is that one guy had a spectacular D+1 and was on a clear upward trajectory when he was injured, while the other didn't take the same type of big steps in his D+1, and then ran into injury problems on top of it. Further to that, even with the back injury and "similar arrival in pro hockey," Hodgson was already a ~20 goal scorer in the NHL at the end of what would be this season for Juolevi. Those are not particularly similar cases other than that they're hockey players and they got hurt at some point.

Both top 10 picks from the OHL who had spectacular U20 performances for their countries winning Gold and junior success. Both had significant injuries during their arrivals to pro hockey and they both struggled as 20yr olds in the AHL. They also both had/have skating issues and 1 0n 1 compete issues. Neither would be considered defensive stalwarts as they both were/are weak and need similar developments in speed, explosiveness and defensive awareness. Both considered skilled cerebral players who propped up their scoring on the PP.

Are those off base similarities?

OJ had a further massive set back instead of playing hockey like Coho was able to. Getting soft minutes propping him up (just as Gillis said on his departure) and 19 goals 12 of which at even strength with sheletered deployment and stud linemates on a stud team was nothing special. McCann had 9 goals without PP time as a 19yr old on a terrible team was he a good player at that time? It's completely plausible that had OJ stayed healthy last year he would have seen some action and played enough games this year to be considered along the same lines as the soft one dimensional slow footed terrible defensive player Hodgson was when he was traded.

The chronology of how juniors went down does not change a whole lot because plenty of 18/19 yr olds decimate junior then look like crap once they get to the pros. If you want to be hung up on D+1 vs D+2 or pre draft then i guess you are technically correct but i'm not sure what it means when plenty of top nhl players had similar and somewhat dissapointing post draft seasons and others blew the doors off to never amount to anything.
 
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I too saw that reddit post but when I actually watch the clips that @THRILLHOIAF uses to say Juolevi had a bad game all I see is Juolevi making good defensive plays while not skating as fast Quinn Hughes. You should watch the clips and make up your own mind but anyone who is saying Juolevi has been playing bad defensively right now hasn’t the ability to correctly evaluate who is doing the right thing vs who isn’t on any given shift when it comes to defensemen.

feigning objectivity is the [MOD]. Otherwise, you’re absolutely correct. I have no idea how someone could have looked at that game, and came to the conclusion that Juolevi was sub-par.
 
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I assume he just have a bias against Juolevi.

"Juolevi’s (#48) lack of skating speed nearly results in a tiebreaker goal from the Bears, after Juolevi gets beaten to the puck in the Comets end"

Is an example of what I mean. He does not make any kind of comment like this about any other player. It was all fact based such as a penalty or a blocked shot or goal. Then suddenly a random swipe at a player who is otherwise having a solid game. His post game commentary felt like a dive into the past to OJ's first half dozen games in the AHL. Which were about as he described. The guy may or may not know hockey. He obviously follows it. But he is living in his past bias.

So, amongst my entire post, I highlight five of Juolevi's major positive contributions to the game -a solid physical backcheck where he ties up Liam O'Brien. a point blast the turns into a scoring chance on the powerplay, his work on the Malone goal. His effort on the Camper goal, and lastly a shot-block on Joe Snively in the waning minutes of the third.

I also highlighted three negatives . His missed pokecheck on the second Pilon goal after Malone blows his drop pass. Then his blatant giveaway to Matt Moulson in the defensive zone, that fortunately didn't turn into a goal against. his weak skating speed to catch a loose puck in the defensive zone, where he has both time and space to reach the puck before the Hershey attacker.

99% of the people commenting on my recaps want to hear only about Juolevi's progress.

He had a solid game against Hershey. Such that I had more positive highlights of him than negative.

In my takeaways from the game, I still had to asterisk the fact that his weak skating leaves him as a huge liability. And may likely hinder him from any NHL success, let alone AHL success.

You must've missed where I say that I dont fault him on the goals-against tonight, and praise him for the offensive side of his game.

Saying I'm living in the past is rich given you've never watched the Comets play lol

I want Juolevi to succeed as much as any other Canucks prospect. Just because I'm critical of him as I am of every person doesn't mean I'm "piling on."

Blindly disregarding my take on a player because you have a favoritism towards wanting to see him succeed is just as much of a bias as me being a realist about where he's at.
 
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