Proposal: Oilers/Red Wings Trade

[Homesick]

I'd give up an unprotected 1st for him if you take Lucic

That would be a terrible deal would not move a first for him. Only type of player I move first plus is Stone signed to extension

You wouldn't move a 1st plus Lucic?

Something seems off here.

Ahh couldn't get any Wings fans to bite on that one

 

[ManofSteel55]

I think Nyquist is a guaranteed 60-70pt player next to McDavid.

Really like this deal for both teams.

We aren't looking for him to play with McDavid, we need someone to play 2nd line.

 

[ChaoticOrange]

We aren't looking for him to play with McDavid, we need someone to play 2nd line.

This. McDavid and Draisaitl are one of the best duos in the league and Hitch isn’t in a hurry to break them up.

We need wingers that can carry their own weight without being attached to McDavid.

 

[Jumptheshark]

Gustav Nyquist @ 1,650,000 retained (money is even)

Ryan Spooner, Ethan Bear, 2019 2nd (becomes 1st if Oilers make playoffs), 2020 2nd (conditional on Nyquist re-signing)

easy no from the wings

 

[ChaoticOrange]

easy no from the wings

Maxing out as a 1st, a 2nd, Bear and Spooner is actually a pretty nice deal for the wings

 

[Jumptheshark]

Maxing out as a 1st, a 2nd, Bear and Spooner is actually a pretty nice deal for the wings

only from the oilers

Spooner is struggling on the third line and has already been a healthy scratch for us. We then get into the magic beans part of the trade. We have an idea of what Bear might be--but we do not know. I like Bear. The two picks are true magic beans because if the oiles make the playoffs and make a run --that pick could be between 28 and 31. He is heading into UFA and I do not see him taking a pay cut to stay with the oilers--which he would have to--even with the cap going up the oilers will need to spend money elsewhere like in net and on the 3rd line.

not sure how you can call Spooner a nice pretty part of the deal--so far this season he is a cap dump--in 27 games he has 3 pts and Nyquist has 27pts in 30 games--Spooner is a pure cap dump in the deal right now.

 

[ChaoticOrange]

only from the oilers

Spooner is struggling on the third line and has already been a healthy scratch for us. We then get into the magic beans part of the trade. We have an idea of what Bear might be--but we do not know. I like Bear. The two picks are true magic beans because if the oiles make the playoffs and make a run --that pick could be between 28 and 31. He is heading into UFA and I do not see him taking a pay cut to stay with the oilers--which he would have to--even with the cap going up the oilers will need to spend money elsewhere like in net and on the 3rd line.

not sure how you can call Spooner a nice pretty part of the deal--so far this season he is a cap dump--in 27 games he has 3 pts and Nyquist has 27pts in 30 games--Spooner is a pure cap dump in the deal right now.

And a completely manageable one for the Wings, who I’m guessing don’t re-sign nyquist anyway.

Rental/short term players don’t return much more than that anyway and if he does sign here long term that’s a good return for him.

 

[ManofSteel55]

only from the oilers

Spooner is struggling on the third line and has already been a healthy scratch for us. We then get into the magic beans part of the trade. We have an idea of what Bear might be--but we do not know. I like Bear. The two picks are true magic beans because if the oiles make the playoffs and make a run --that pick could be between 28 and 31. He is heading into UFA and I do not see him taking a pay cut to stay with the oilers--which he would have to--even with the cap going up the oilers will need to spend money elsewhere like in net and on the 3rd line.

not sure how you can call Spooner a nice pretty part of the deal--so far this season he is a cap dump--in 27 games he has 3 pts and Nyquist has 27pts in 30 games--Spooner is a pure cap dump in the deal right now.

Labelling them as "magic beans" doesn't detract from the value included. 1st round picks have a lot of value - and really, the Oilers aren't likely to pick in the bottom 4 solely based on adding Nyquist. He isn't that big of difference maker, and we have too many other holes. Near NHL ready RH defensemen have good value. 2nd round picks have good value. There is a fair amount of value here. I can see why Detroit wouldn't be ready to sell for futures right now, they are more competitive than most expected them to be, but there is decent value in this package.

 

[HisNoodliness]

only from the oilers

Spooner is struggling on the third line and has already been a healthy scratch for us. We then get into the magic beans part of the trade. We have an idea of what Bear might be--but we do not know. I like Bear. The two picks are true magic beans because if the oiles make the playoffs and make a run --that pick could be between 28 and 31. He is heading into UFA and I do not see him taking a pay cut to stay with the oilers--which he would have to--even with the cap going up the oilers will need to spend money elsewhere like in net and on the 3rd line.

not sure how you can call Spooner a nice pretty part of the deal--so far this season he is a cap dump--in 27 games he has 3 pts and Nyquist has 27pts in 30 games--Spooner is a pure cap dump in the deal right now.

I think it's a great trade for us. We need draft picks, those are decent ones. Bear is a decent prospect last I remember. Spooner is a cap dump, so what? The rest of the trade is worth it for a probable UFA on a team that needs to focus on rebuilding

 

[Jumptheshark]

I think it's a great trade for us. We need draft picks, those are decent ones. Bear is a decent prospect last I remember. Spooner is a cap dump, so what? The rest of the trade is worth it for a probable UFA on a team that needs to focus on rebuilding

AS an oiler fan I do the deal--but I think if the wings trade him they could get more

 

[oilers84]

What would it take to get athanasiou and glendening

 

[SirloinUB]

We aren't looking for him to play with McDavid, we need someone to play 2nd line.

Fortunately for you Nyquist's best seasons (2013-2014 and now) were when he was asked to carry a bulk of the offense.

In 13/14 injuries devastated Detroit with both Datsyuk and Zetterberg seeing the IR late in the season. Nyquist not only carried his own line, but the team into playoffs.

This year, with Zetterberg finally retiring Nyquist has again stepped up to take a leadership roll on the offence.

I'm not exactly sure why but Gus just seems to get better with less around him.

What would it take to get athanasiou and glendening

I doubt either would be traded. Athanasiou won't be available unless we get a similarly valued dman coming back.

A 2nd was the ask for Glendening last year, no one seemed to be interested at that price. A 3rd would probably be fair enough but even then, I'm just not sure Holland would pull the trigger. The Red Wings have a love fest for Glenny.

 

[Number1RedWingsFan52]

What would it take to get athanasiou and glendening

AA isn't getting moved any time soon, As far as Glendening is concerned at least a 2019 3rd round pick. I would imagine.

 

[golffuul]

What would it take to get athanasiou and glendening

If you put put Glendening into the original deal, I would replace Bear with Bouchard and make it a hard 2019 2nd with no conditions.

 

[HisNoodliness]

If you put put Glendening into the original deal, I would replace Bear with Bouchard and make it a hard 2019 2nd with no conditions.

Done, done and done. No take backs. Don't think about it. It's a fair trade I promise (you guys don't want to do this).

 

[ChaoticOrange]

If you put put Glendening into the original deal, I would replace Bear with Bouchard and make it a hard 2019 2nd with no conditions.

I can’t see you moving anything that would entice Edmonton into moving Bouchard. He fills the biggest hole on this team.

 

[Hatter of the Beach]

What would it take to get athanasiou and glendening

Athanasiou would probably have to be an overpayment. While his production lags behind how good he looks on a game to game basis, he is one of the few players on our team that bring a “wow” factor. I assume this is not lost on ownership, who is experiencing some of their worst financial years the past several decades.

Glendenning will probably cost a 2nd. He isnt worth that in a Vaccum, but Mike Babcock almost divorced his wife to marry Glendenning when he was with Detroit. You can bet they will be looking at him this TDL, raising the price

Really the two players you listed are the two players in my mind are the most likely ro cost a disproportionate amount in comparison to their value in a vaccum

 

[Hatter of the Beach]

If you put put Glendening into the original deal, I would replace Bear with Bouchard and make it a hard 2019 2nd with no conditions.

As in Evan Bouchard?

I’m a Wings fan and just want to let you know that’s an overpayment on the Oilers end. I get the opportunity cost factor and needing help now, but that is a deal I think fans will regret their team making

 

[GOiler36]

If you put put Glendening into the original deal, I would replace Bear with Bouchard and make it a hard 2019 2nd with no conditions.

What???

 

[Critical13]

Overpayment for Nyquist.

 

[golffuul]

As in Evan Bouchard?

I’m a Wings fan and just want to let you know that’s an overpayment on the Oilers end. I get the opportunity cost factor and needing help now, but that is a deal I think fans will regret their team making

I understand...but we'd be giving one of the better faceoff centers and pk specialists, as well as a 20-30 goal scorer who can help Edmonton win, right now. I totally agree Edmonton will regret it, if they don't win a Cup. But that's why trades are usually lopsided towards the selling team, if they handle it correctly. But if they make the trade and do win a Cup, I would think it would be worth it for both teams.

As someone once told me...nothing ventured, nothing gained. It's not a super crazy trade, at this point, and I would think it would be a good point to start from. Edmonton needs scoring and bottom 6 depth, and Detroit needs D prospects.

 

[HisNoodliness]

I understand...but we'd be giving one of the better faceoff centers and pk specialists, as well as a 20-30 goal scorer who can help Edmonton win, right now. I totally agree Edmonton will regret it, if they don't win a Cup. But that's why trades are usually lopsided towards the selling team, if they handle it correctly. But if they make the trade and do win a Cup, I would think it would be worth it for both teams.

As someone once told me...nothing ventured, nothing gained. It's not a super crazy trade, at this point, and I would think it would be a good point to start from. Edmonton needs scoring and bottom 6 depth, and Detroit needs D prospects.

It's not a good starting place. That's completely unfair. Edmonton needs to keep Evan Bouchard. He's an excellent prospect. Think if someone offered you Nyquist and Glendening for Zadina. Even if they were moving him, it's not for Nyquist and Glendening.

 

[golffuul]

It's not a good starting place. That's completely unfair. Edmonton needs to keep Evan Bouchard. He's an excellent prospect. Think if someone offered you Nyquist and Glendening for Zadina. Even if they were moving him, it's not for Nyquist and Glendening.

It all depends on what you think you need to put you over the top to win a Cup. If all Edmonton needs to win a Cup is forward depth and not defensive depth, than it’s a worthy ask.

If Zadina were to have been drafted by us, back in 2010, and we were offered Nyquist and Glendening to help keep the remaining years of Lidstrom to be more competitive, would you make the trade? Granted I wouldn’t make that trade, if I am Detroit, nowadays...but back then I might have. But it’s two different eras and teams, just like it is in Edmonton. I think last year’s Oiler team was more the exception to the rule, and this year’s team is more indicative of their ability to win a Cup. So knowing they have Ethan Bear, Samorukov, and Caleb Jones in the system...is that enough of a future to offset the loss of Bouchard in order to gain the ability to win Cups now? The answer to that question is what prevents or permits a potential deal involving Bouchard.

I think there are a variety of opinions. But I figured asking can’t hurt. Especially if I am Detroit.