Post-Game Talk: Oilers lose Unlucky 13th Straight On the Road

[Throttlehead]

Who said anything about him being a bust? There is no shame in being an above average NHL player.

It's not what you want in a 1st overall pick obviously, but unfortunately it was a pretty weak year for top end talent

If he was any other team with any kind of depth he would be playing second line at this time in his career, in fact this would probably be his second year in the league.

He is going to be a fantastic player (way above average), you can't expect 21 year olds to dominate, especially when they were physically immature. Nuge is only 6 months older than Yakupov, he was very young for his draft year.

 

[WayneGreatzky]

What is wrong with Todd Nelson?

What have you noticed that would tell you he is not coaching properly?

Would prefer coach with NHL experience personally, Nelson would be a good assistant though

 

[Slicknitty]

Get your popcorn ready, The Clash of the Titans is fast approaching...Jan,29th! The McEichel Cup!

They'll lose.

Buffalo's tank cannot not match our superior tech

 

[WayneGreatzky]

Question here from a Blues fan. What is the problem with Perron that caused him not to fit into the team in St. Louis and also made him available for a trade from Edmonton? He has skill, is he not a team player???

And yes, I am on the border with Mexico and see more Canadians here than when I used to work the border with Canada in Alaska. We have more Canadians here during the winter than I ever saw in Alaska. What's up with that??? LOL. I loved Alberta when I visited back in 1985, was in Edmonton for all of 2 hours before they put us on buses to Camp Wainwright. Good time with the Canadian Army, spent 45 days there for one of their major exercises. Reminded me of the midwest area of the U.S. where I grew up.

Perron was basically a salary dump, the Oilers were just the winning bidder I guess. As to why he was traded, he was probably sick of the losing and losing culture and wanted out.

Many people in Canada, especially the retired and elderly, like to escape the cold winter and all the snow shoveling that comes with it. My neighbor whose retired, spends the winter in Arizona for example. Hope that clears things up a tad

 

[Replacement*]

Missed the game today. Expected to lose, but very irritating to see that this team still refuses to stand up for one another. Bunch of gutless ****ing pansies. To me that is more disgusting than losing the game. Bad teams lose, and sometimes you just don't have the players to compete. But if you have a bunch of adult males on your team then regardless of the score you should be able to sack up and lose with a little ****ing dignity.

I hope and believe that Nelson is the sort of coach who won't let that go on. And if he does then he's not the coach we need going forward.

o/t - saw the Tim Horton theme GDT and I've been wanting to ask if those black buses and black shops etc (for the dark roast coffee) are a real thing or just for the TV commercials.

Kind of wondering the same. I did see one at WEM but it was closed. Had a black Tim Hortons sheet over an empty shop. Apparently that had been given out the Tim Hortons Dark roast or whatever it is.

Secret to good coffee is brewing it yourself anyway.

 

[WayneGreatzky]

Buffalo's tank cannot not match our superior tech

post of the night

If only Ironman was Orange/Blue it would be perfect

 

[Throttlehead]

Would prefer coach with NHL experience personally, Nelson would be a good assistant though

Well thats easy to say, but what is he doing wrong?

 

[WayneGreatzky]

Well thats easy to say, but what is he doing wrong?

Nothing really. I got nothing against Todd Nelson. Personally, I just think it wouldnt hurt to wait and see if theres some experienced coaches out there at seasons end with zero connections to the OBC and INTERVIEW some of them.

Jets got Maurice, Flames Hartley, Preds Laviolette, Capitals Trotz...Why do the Oilers always have to go with the rookies/unprovens?

 

[Tarus]

If he was any other team with any kind of depth he would be playing second line at this time in his career, in fact this would probably be his second year in the league.

He is going to be a fantastic player (way above average), you can't expect 21 year olds to dominate, especially when they were physically immature. Nuge is only 6 months older than Yakupov, he was very young for his draft year.

You keep stating that you can't expect 21 year olds to dominate(not that I was stating that I expected him to), like this is somehow not something you see from 1st overall draft picks.

Hall(PPG by 3rd season)
Tavares(30 goal/PPG by 3rd season)
Stamkos(50 goal/90+ point player by 2nd season)
Kane(Consistent 70+ point player)
Crosby
Ovechkin
Nash(40 goal scorer by second season)
Kovalchuk(immediate impact)

All were in the NHL at 18(excluding players with fake birthdates), all were on crappy teams with poor depth(typically the standard of depth a team needs to draft first overall), and all were at various levels of dominance early. There isn't a single forward drafted first overall in the decade leading up to Nuge's selection that would have qualified as anything less than a first line forward on every team in the NHL by their fourth seasons. Your statement that "He would be on the second line of any team that had depth at this stage of career" suggests that even you realize he's not as good as advertised.

Just asserting that you know he'll be good, and throwing out some token age and physical maturity excuses(which are both bull**** at this point), does not make for a compelling counter-argument in the face of RNH sailing in way below expectations for a first overall draft pick.

 

[Mr McV]

Nothing really. I got nothing against Todd Nelson. Personally, I just think it wouldnt hurt to wait and see if theres some experienced coaches out there at seasons end with zero connections to the OBC and INTERVIEW some of them.

Jets got Maurice, Flames Hartley, Preds Laviolette, Capitals Trotz...Why do the Oilers always have to go with the rookies/unprovens?

What proven, quality coach would work under the ********* Oiler management team?

 

[McDNicks17]

post of the night

If only Ironman was Orange/Blue it would be perfect

Paging Del Preston!

If color changing is too hard, maybe just an Oilers jersey or a MacT/Lowe face instead.

 

[MasterDecoy]

I guess next time Pouliot spears someone it will make sense.

Makes more sense than his Late Game Offensive Zone Stick Penaltiesâ„¢

 

[Pressure]

Roy jumped in to start with, got pulled out of the group by a Blue. Steen was trading cooking recipes with Eberle (but at least he went to the scrum). And Hall and Schultz were standing at the top of the circle wetting themselves.

And people want Hall to be Captain? No thanks.

This ^

 

[Beerfish]

Would prefer coach with NHL experience personally, Nelson would be a good assistant though

Personality is about #127 on the list of things I want in an NHL coach.

 

[KeithIsActuallyBad]

So has the luster worn off yet? Hate to think how badly the Lightning are going to pump us.

 

[harpoon]

If he was any other team with any kind of depth he would be playing second line at this time in his career, in fact this would probably be his second year in the league.

Can't play that "if he were on a real NHL team" game. He's not. He's on this sorry team.
And if you want to start giving out free passes for failing because well, Oilers, then tell me who doesn't get a free pass.
You can go all the way back to Gagner and Gilbert and hand them out to everyone drafted since then.
Really good players find a way to shine. At least once or twice every half dozen games.

Kind of wondering the same. I did see one at WEM but it was closed. Had a black Tim Hortons sheet over an empty shop. Apparently that had been given out the Tim Hortons Dark roast or whatever it is. Secret to good coffee is brewing it yourself anyway.

Thanks.

 

[I am the Liquor]

Schultz never had to play defense prior to his NHL career...he still doesn't.

Yak would be hard pressed to win an IQ test against my 8 year old daughter. He just doesn't get how to play NHL hockey.

It would help if Schultz had some support. In case you hadn't noticed our entire d core is a joke.

As for Yak I don't recall people bemoaning his IQ under Krueger. He has been ruined by Eakins.

Other players have been incredibly underwhelming as well.

It all leads back to our clueless gm and his inability to do even a passable job.

 

[McPuritania]

This team is embarrassing.

One guy gets mugged by a couple of opponents and a fake tough guy, and where are our players? As far away from the scrum as possible. Bunch of ****ing useless, chicken ****, pansies. No heart, no respect, no camaraderie.

Sickening.

 

[Lock]

Yuck. What an awful game to watch. Lifeless.

On a lighter note, Buffalo has lost 8 in a row and the Oilers are still a game behind.

LOL.

Single digits. Amateurs.

 

[KlimasLoveChild]

This team is embarrassing.

One guy gets mugged by a couple of opponents and a fake tough guy, and where are our players? As far away from the scrum as possible. Bunch of ****ing useless, chicken ****, pansies. No heart, no respect, no camaraderie.

Sickening.

Yep it was sad. I was yelling at the tv like what the **** is taking so long for help to arrive.......... we need an new assistant who is specialist in the inglewood jack....

 

[Summary]

Just saw the highlites (lowlights) on NHL on the Fly. Yak and Schultz sooooooo weak on the 2nd goal. Does Schultz realize your allowed to hit in this league? Does Yak have an ounce of hockey sense, and realize he has to take inside position? Yak -3. I'm pretty much to the point where I think he's a lost cause.

Yak didn't make a play that to stop the goal but you can't put it on him. It wasn't his man he was just the only one that caught him streaking to the net. From where he was there's no way Yak could've caught up to be inside. Klefbom was in better position to make a stop there but got caught watching and standing still.

 

[Slicknitty]

Single digits. Amateurs.

Please, they're nowhere close to being amateurs. Those are all regulation losses. They're 1-9-0 in their last 10. These guys are pros and they're still pissed off about last year's draft lottery.

We picked up a lot of loser points in our epic losing streaks.

 

[Aerchon]

You keep stating that you can't expect 21 year olds to dominate(not that I was stating that I expected him to), like this is somehow not something you see from 1st overall draft picks.

Hall(PPG by 3rd season)
Tavares(30 goal/PPG by 3rd season)
Stamkos(50 goal/90+ point player by 2nd season)
Kane(Consistent 70+ point player)
Crosby
Ovechkin
Nash(40 goal scorer by second season)
Kovalchuk(immediate impact)

All were in the NHL at 18(excluding players with fake birthdates), all were on crappy teams with poor depth(typically the standard of depth a team needs to draft first overall), and all were at various levels of dominance early. There isn't a single forward drafted first overall in the decade leading up to Nuge's selection that would have qualified as anything less than a first line forward on every team in the NHL by their fourth seasons. Your statement that "He would be on the second line of any team that had depth at this stage of career" suggests that even you realize he's not as good as advertised.

Just asserting that you know he'll be good, and throwing out some token age and physical maturity excuses(which are both bull**** at this point), does not make for a compelling counter-argument in the face of RNH sailing in way below expectations for a first overall draft pick.

A comparable for RNH, who uses his hickey IQ and shiftiness but is smaller/slighter, is Datzyuk. Who didn't start doing well until 25-27.

RNH is only slightly below average as first overalls go and I don't expect him to really hit his stride until 25+. His primary tool is his brain which only gets better with experience.

 

[Aerchon]

Yak didn't make a play that to stop the goal but you can't put it on him. It wasn't his man he was just the only one that caught him streaking to the net. From where he was there's no way Yak could've caught up to be inside. Klefbom was in better position to make a stop there but got caught watching and standing still.

Yak technically shouldn't have even been that far down low. He was way out of position and probably only there because he seen how disinterested Shucltz, Klef, and Nuge were on that play. He was the furthest from the play and recognized it developing and just moved in to help out. He was just the unlucky SOB who jumped over the boards when Hall or Eberle went off for a line change.

That was on Schultz to start with. He needs to be better with his positioning and stick positioning. He got blown away.

He actually had another situation in that game where he stopped skating even tho his man had a lead on him and only starting skating again after his defensive coverage received the puck. Luckily Scrivens bailed him out but if Nelson is any kind of coach he will be pointing that one out to Schultz and ripping him a new one.

Klefbom in that particular play was the next person responsible to take a man going to the net.

Nuge the next man responsible.

 

[Tarus]

A comparable for RNH, who uses his hickey IQ and shiftiness but is smaller/slighter, is Datzyuk. Who didn't start doing well until 25-27.

RNH is only slightly below average as first overalls go and I don't expect him to really hit his stride until 25+. His primary tool is his brain which only gets better with experience.

Considering he has never shown the puck skills or hockey sense anywhere even remotely comparable to Datsyuk, it's a fairly poor comparison.

The development curve comparison is outdated as well. Drafted out of an extinct league where maybe one scout saw him play prior to being drafted(an old Hakan Andersson story), in the era before NHL teams were modernizing their scouting and fitness regimes, on arguably the top(and stacked) team of the dead puck era - you might as well dredge up 70s or 80s developed players for all the relevance it has to the modern NHL and RNH's development path.