Oh no, not another one, seriously!@%#&!! [MOD Trade Weber?]
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I think the timing has to be right as much as anything. If Seth builds on last season and really starts to look the part than I would start to really consider it. To me, it would take either: a) Stamkos level player or the b) second one you listed. I can't imagine too many team's make the first one, just since it would seem to gut what they have likely been building around. The second however where you get a little bit of quantity but with real quality could be real intriguing.
To be honest, it's a waste having 3 D-men of the caliber we have when our forwards are so bad.
I don't care how good they are - one of them is going to be our 3rd D-man and that's just not that valuable when building an NHL team - especially when the forwards are horrific.
I'd give it one more year - I want to see how Laviolette's system can help some of the stalled offensive guys we have, and I want to see if Forsberg and Jarnkrok can turn into dynamic offensive threats.
If we're still in the same boat next year, I'd auction one of the D-men off to the highest bidder.
All the fist-pumping about how "Our defense is set for years!" does us no good because we're still losing.
I don't care how good they are - one of them is going to be our 3rd D-man and that's just not that valuable when building an NHL team - especially when the forwards are horrific.
I'd give it one more year - I want to see how Laviolette's system can help some of the stalled offensive guys we have, and I want to see if Forsberg and Jarnkrok can turn into dynamic offensive threats.
If we're still in the same boat next year, I'd auction one of the D-men off to the highest bidder.
All the fist-pumping about how "Our defense is set for years!" does us no good because we're still losing.
NSH615
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No I wouldn't right now, mostly because Jones isn't 100% proven yet. He has 1 year of experience and that's it. Weber is the only real veteran on D besides Del Zotto. Josi is just now really getting there. I myself would move Jones over Weber any day of the week right now.
Now if you ask me this 1 year from now, my answer may change.
Now if you ask me this 1 year from now, my answer may change.
Yeah, there's no way I'd trade any of our defensemen this year unless it's for a big overpayment (well, maybe MDZ or Bartley).
Honestly, I don't see the point in wasting any effort talking about Weber. Poile has been crystal clear that he will not move him.
Now, this conversation could be had if Poile is no longer the GM here. But as of now, I just don't see the purpose of it.
Now, this conversation could be had if Poile is no longer the GM here. But as of now, I just don't see the purpose of it.
Young potential superstar like Mackinnon and at least a top four defenseman would be minimum for me.
But I don't see the need to trade any of our top 4 at all, we'll have one of the best cores in the league shortly we need to be patient with our forwards, dispute other fanbases telling is what we need to do with our best players.
But I don't see the need to trade any of our top 4 at all, we'll have one of the best cores in the league shortly we need to be patient with our forwards, dispute other fanbases telling is what we need to do with our best players.
Bringer of Jollity
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I think it's premature to discuss trading Weber. Yes, Jones MIGHT put it together and become an elite top-pairing defender, but he hasn't yet. IF he does, and Josi keeps getting better to the point that a Josi-Jones pairing would be a legitimate top pair, and IF during that time the offense remains anemic, then you start to look at trading one of your elite defenders for an elite young forward. But only then.
If Wilson settles in at center and becomes a 50+ point guy, Smith keeps getting better, Jarnkrok exceeds expectations and Forsberg turns out like we all hope, and the team can get into the top half of the league offensively, then I wouldn't trade ANY of the defense unless the return is overwhelming. I mean, in a couple of years you could be rolling out Weber, Jones, and Ellis down the right side as two elite defenders and a solid offensive d-man. That's a luxury most teams will NEVER have. You don't break that up unless the return is going to be worth it.
If Wilson settles in at center and becomes a 50+ point guy, Smith keeps getting better, Jarnkrok exceeds expectations and Forsberg turns out like we all hope, and the team can get into the top half of the league offensively, then I wouldn't trade ANY of the defense unless the return is overwhelming. I mean, in a couple of years you could be rolling out Weber, Jones, and Ellis down the right side as two elite defenders and a solid offensive d-man. That's a luxury most teams will NEVER have. You don't break that up unless the return is going to be worth it.
ThirdManIn
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To move Weber right now I need a top 3 forward (**** all of this "top six" nonsense) and then we'll go from there.
Probably a top 3 forward, a very good prospect and a 1st. Anything less is an insult, and anything more is great.
Probably a top 3 forward, a very good prospect and a 1st. Anything less is an insult, and anything more is great.
glenngineer
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Duchene or Mackinnon would do it for me. Add a second round pick and I think you have pretty fair value.
glenngineer
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Bingo. If Colorado can re-sign Stastny and keep ROR that trade actually makes sense and works for both teams.
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We cant trade Weber and expect to be a contender in a year or two. The bulk of our defense is about 3 years away from being dominant. We can trade Weber in two years if we are still not looking like a contender at that point but if we get some forwards and the defense keeps developing like it should we could be poised for a Cup run in two or three years.
trading Weber is something to do when he is 32 or 33... still good enough for a team who is one piece short but beyond the point where we have had our shot with him.
Gnashville
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NO NO NO
Would you like it
in a house?
Would you like it
with a mouse?
I do not like it
in a house.
I do not like it
with a mouse.
I do not like it
here or there.
I do not like it
anywhere.
I do not like Trading Weber
I do not like it, Sam-I-am.
What the eff is wrong with having what could be the best freaking D unit ever assembled!!!
Would you like it
in a house?
Would you like it
with a mouse?
I do not like it
in a house.
I do not like it
with a mouse.
I do not like it
here or there.
I do not like it
anywhere.
I do not like Trading Weber
I do not like it, Sam-I-am.
What the eff is wrong with having what could be the best freaking D unit ever assembled!!!
Predsrule
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- Nov 18, 2008
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keep the top 3 d while josi and jones are cost controled. when they are not weber becomes cost controled. if we trade weber might as well trade peka as well. to me wait untill at least mid 2015 2016 season. but I feel you never trade away the best d in the game in his prime locked up to a life time contract.Duchene or Mackinnon is great and all but top 3d>>>>top 10 center witch neather of them are yet.
glenngineer
Registered User
In all seriousness name me one team that built or became a contender building around a number 1 defender? Now tell me all the teams that have built winners with a number 1 center.
jwhouk
Former Cheesehead, Always a Preds Fan
Gnashville
HFBoards Hall of Famer
So Chara, Keith, Doughty, Lidstrom, Letang, are chopped liver those are all #1 D-Men from the last 7 cup winners
glenngineer
Registered User
How many teams did Pronger play for before he won the Cup in Anaheim? Teams were never built around him. You have me on Orr but that was 40 something years ago.
glenngineer
Registered User
All those guys had number 1 centers on those teams and that's my point. Teams were not constructed around these guys. Other guys were the main cogs and while they're all great players, it's not like any one of them was there first and the rest of the pieces were added to them. Doughty was the one to me that pushed LA over the top and Chara was a guy Boston added to a good team already.
While it's great to have Weber, we had him and Suter, two of the best in the game and we couldn't build a true contender because we didn't have the pieces up front to do so.
You either have to have some elite players up front or so much quality in your top 6 it won't matter how many quality defensemen we develop.
jwhouk
Former Cheesehead, Always a Preds Fan
You didn't say "Cup winners". You said "Cup contenders." Saint Louis was a cup contender for a long, LONG time while he and MacInnis patrolled the blueline for them.
And what Gnashville said. Some of the centers on those teams would be much worse off if they didn't have someone like those d-men behind them.
And what Gnashville said. Some of the centers on those teams would be much worse off if they didn't have someone like those d-men behind them.
Gnashville
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The problem here is every one of those teams had a number #1 defenseman if Poile trades Weber then we don't! Josi is great as Robin to Weber's Batman but not a true #1. Jones has potential but he has a few years of development until he gets there.
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Armourboy
Hey! You suck!
Here is your other issue, how many teams are willing to trade away a #1 center, even for Weber? My guess is not many, considering they are harder to come by than #1 defenseman.
Look at all the trades people propose, they want to trade you high quality players, but none of them are willing to give up that guy. If you are trading a guy like Weber, it has to be for that guy, otherwise you lost the trade imo.
Look at all the trades people propose, they want to trade you high quality players, but none of them are willing to give up that guy. If you are trading a guy like Weber, it has to be for that guy, otherwise you lost the trade imo.
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