Offseason Thread Part II

[Northern Avs Fan]

No need to pollute hockey threads with vaccine talk.

Take it to the lounge where the topics are largely ass anyways.

 

[Balthazar]

Or because they just don’t want to inject a brand new vaccine?

And how do you feel about catching a brand new virus from God knows where, that does God knows what to your organs and killed millions of people? Who the f*** knows what will happen to those who recover from it?

Not like people are getting vaccinated for fun, it's by far the lesser of 2 evils.

People who claim to fear communism here seem to trust the Chinese government a lot more than I (and a growing number of scientists) do.

 

[Papa Francouz]

I said it’s teetering on communism, China and Cuba force their citizens to stay in line by force. Can spin it in many ways but in any history it’s never worked well. I’m not even anti vaccine, but force feeding is just too far.

For one, China isn't communist. That's their end goal (allegedly), but they're a capitalist nation. You can't have billionaires like Jack Ma in a communist country. What you're talking about is authoritarianism, not communism. And I would agree - authoritarianism sucks. No idea if you're in the US, but if you are, the US has been authoritarian about a great many things, including vaccines, so mandating a COVID vaccine would be par for the course.

 

[Avaholic29]

And how do you feel about catching a brand new virus from God knows where, that does God knows what to your organs and killed millions of people? Who the f*** knows what will happen to those who recover from it?

Not like people are getting vaccinated for fun, it's by far the lesser of 2 evils.

People who claim to fear communism here seem to trust the Chinese government a lot more than I (and a growing number of scientists) do.

I had covid, I felt pretty shitty for a couple days and couldn’t taste or smell anything but I was fine. I now have natural antibodies which in my opinion is just as good as this vaccine if not better considering I personally know vaccinated people that have covid as we speak lol. I understand this isn’t the case for everybody, so they should get the vaccine. Forcing it isn’t the answer, even if the government is saying it is. I have natural antibodies but am forced to get vaccinated to go to a restaurant? My kids will never be able to go to a restaurant because they aren’t vaccinated? It’s a slippery slope and completely ridiculous. The flu has killed more kids than covid, smoking/drinking has killed more young people than covid but yet none of those things get frowned upon or forced off the shelf, interesting shit.

 

[Vaslof]

Government forcing something on people who aren’t comfortable with it. But nice spin on the reality of it bud.

That is what society is. You are forced to do stuff for the benefit of the whole. It's not like you can stop paying taxes or drive without a license if you feel like it.

 

[AvsFan29]

which in my opinion is just as good as this vaccine

Wrong

 

[Avaholic29]

Wrong

Note the part where I said it’s my opinion. Antibodies are strong. But anyways, have a good one.

 

[McMetal]

I said it’s teetering on communism, China and Cuba force their citizens to stay in line by force. Can spin it in many ways but in any history it’s never worked well. I’m not even anti vaccine, but force feeding is just too far.

If that's "communism" (and I assure you, it isn't), then the USA has been a communist country since 1905.

Jacobson v. Massachusetts - Wikipedia

 

[AvsFan29]

Note the part where I said it’s my opinion. Antibodies are strong. But anyways, have a good one.

Why do you think your opinion is as good as a virologist or immunologist? That’s where you’re wrong. You don’t know why you’re wrong, and that’s ok…that’s why we have experts that study things like viruses and vaccines.

 

[Vaslof]

Note the part where I said it’s my opinion. Antibodies are strong. But anyways, have a good one.

You know that's what the vaccine does right? Makes your body create the antibodies in advance.

 

[Vaslof]

If that's "communism" (and I assure you, it isn't), then the USA has been a communist country since 1905.

Jacobson v. Massachusetts - Wikipedia

I believe in the USA the conservative messaging is that everything that is bad is communism or socialism (used interchangeably).

 

[Metallo]

IIRC, the tech was used for MERS (another coronavirus) which emerged about 10 years ago, but the virus never got worldwide traction, so the vaccine trials were abandoned midway through. This is the first time mRNA has been used this widely, but it's not the first time anybody has ever taken one before.

And while it's true that biochemistry is complicated, that doesn't mean we can't reasonably make conjectures about how such technology might have long term effects. Given that RNA breaks down quickly in the body, there is zero reason to believe that an mRNA vaccine would have side effects 10 years down the road. The active ingredient simply doesn't last long enough to do any harm.

It's not voodoo, scientists have a very good idea of how and why these things work the way they do. The chances of unforeseen consequences for something that's been studied for decades is so minimal that it's really not worth contemplating, especially in the face of a pandemic that has taken millions of lives.

Thanks for the input. I get that on the balance it should be beneficial but it was fast tracked AF, I hope everyone did their job A1 on this.

 

[JH21]

And how do you feel about catching a brand new virus from God knows where, that does God knows what to your organs and killed millions of people? Who the f*** knows what will happen to those who recover from it?

Not like people are getting vaccinated for fun, it's by far the lesser of 2 evils.

People who claim to fear communism here seem to trust the Chinese government a lot more than I (and a growing number of scientists) do.

2 questions:

1- where did the flu go that kills upwards of 650,000+ people worldwide a year

2- How many people have died or will have serious long term effects from the vaccine?

 

[AvsFan29]

I believe in the USA the conservative messaging is that everything that is bad is communism or socialism (used interchangeably).

They’re just f***ed

 

[Andrew Wiggin]

The vaccine may be new, because it literally had to be—but the tech isn’t new. The rest of the world looks at Americans like a bunch of chimps at this point. Wake up and stop f***ing around

That isn't necessarily true plenty of countries have had mass demonstrations and protests in many countries including France, Italy, UK and the list goes on. You mean other countries ruling political class and media are berating unvaccinated Americans, sure.

And if you wonder about the reluctance it has everything to do with how health officials and politicians have handled this. Following the science, give me a break, they are making up new rules constant that make little sense and stomp out any medical and scientific dissent (which there is plenty) with the help of social media.

Who am I supposed to trust the Chinese controlled WHO? The NIH and CDC with unelected bureaucrats that have been in the fold of Government for 40 years and have only one answer to everything, more Government power? The drug companies who made billions off of a rushed vaccine? It is because our health institutions would rather tow the political line than do any real research. They have lost credibility and the trust of many Americans.

You can call me an anti vaxxer all you want but I have gotten plenty of vaccines with more foundational data on long term effects and potential risks. I am choosing not to take this one, that kind of medical choice used to be respected. We didn't demonize people that didn't get the flu shot every year, it seems odd to see the outrage over this one.

 

[AvsFan29]

That isn't necessarily true plenty of countries have had mass demonstrations and protests in many countries including France, Italy, UK and the list goes on. You mean other countries ruling political class and media are berating unvaccinated Americans, sure.

And if you wonder about the reluctance it has everything to do with how health officials and politicians have handled this. Following the science, give me a break, they are making up new rules constant that make little sense and stomp out any medical and scientific dissent (which there is plenty) with the help of social media.

Who am I supposed to trust the Chinese controlled WHO? The NIH and CDC with unelected bureaucrats that have been in the fold of Government for 40 years and have only one answer to everything, more Government power? The drug companies who made billions off of a rushed vaccine? It is because our health institutions would rather tow the political line than do any real research. They have lost credibility and the trust of many Americans.

You can call me an anti vaxxer is you want but I have gotten plenty of vaccines with more foundational data on long term effects and potential risks. I am choosing not to take this one, that kind of medical choice used to be respected. We didn't demonize people that didn't get the flu shot every year, it seems odd to see the outrage over this one.

Nope

 

[Andrew Wiggin]

Hog is an identifier, is there another word I should use? Anyway hogs were hogs even before covid started. Their lack of intelligence and critical thinking largely stems from the failure of the American education system, and their belief in misinformation and mistrust of science stems from the conservative media propaganda.

That is extremely reductionist of you.

 

[Andrew Wiggin]

Nope

Insightful.

 

[Avaholic29]

Why do you think your opinion is as good as a virologist or immunologist? That’s where you’re wrong. You don’t know why you’re wrong, and that’s ok…that’s why we have experts that study things like viruses and vaccines.

It’s important to me, who makes the choice to what I put in my body lol. I’m comfortable with my antibodies and how I handled covid. It’s not up to you or anyone else to choose what I do with my life, simple as that. Anyways I’m done with this conversation

 

[JH21]

I take the flu shot each year, I'll take a covid shot each year if it protects me and my family. I trust scientists and their billions of dollars of funding, and thousands of collective years of experience over social media posts and fear-mongering. So yea, gimme 2 shots next year and 2 the year after. I'll get my kids the MMR vaccines, and DTap, and Varicella, etc because I concede that scientists know their shit more than a facebook group of conspiracy theorists do. And protecting my family is more important than protecting my pride or my "freedom of choice".

Where do you think those groups of "conspiracy theorists" get their information from?

Do you think they make it up on their own or that there are actually a large amount of doctors and specialists speaking out about these vaccines?

Why is it ok to listen to the specialists that have the information that fits your agenda but not the specialists that goes against your agenda?

Also its hilarious that you say these people doubting the vaccine and covid are the conspiracy theorists yet people wrapped in bubble wrap and terrified to leave their house without their hazmat suits are the normal ones.

 

[Avaholic29]

That is extremely reductionist of you.

This same dude probably believes absolutely every last word that comes off CNN. Believes there is 1000 genders but screams science.

 

[JH21]

The vaccine may be new, because it literally had to be—but the tech isn’t new. The rest of the world looks at Americans like a bunch of chimps at this point. Wake up and stop f***ing around

Have you not seen the millions of people rallying in places like France and England?

Do you think it's ok to take away people's freedoms for something that is proven to be no worse than influenza?

 

[Avaholic29]

Where do you think those groups of "conspiracy theorists" get their information from?

Do you think they make it up on their own or that there are actually a large amount of doctors and specialists speaking out about these vaccines?

Why is it ok to listen to the specialists that have the information that fits your agenda but not the specialists that goes against your agenda?

Also its hilarious that you say these people doubting the vaccine and covid are the conspiracy theorists yet people wrapped in bubble wrap and terrified to leave their house without their hazmat suits are the normal ones.

Beautifully said, I’ll never forget the people calling me a conspiracy theorist buying every last roll of toilet paper in town and hording all the cleaning supplies, also the same people who say “you don’t care about others” as they fight over the last hand sanitizer.

 

[Andrew Wiggin]

Why do you think your opinion is as good as a virologist or immunologist? That’s where you’re wrong. You don’t know why you’re wrong, and that’s ok…that’s why we have experts that study things like viruses and vaccines.

Actually there are plenty of immunologists and virologists who think the natural antibodies are stronger future defense against the virus but they are afraid of being cancelled by the medical oligarchy.

 

[JH21]

Beautifully said, I’ll never forget the people calling me a conspiracy theorist buying every last roll of toilet paper in town and hording all the cleaning supplies, also the same people who say “you don’t care about others” as they fight over the last hand sanitizer.

Yep. It's absurd. This mob mentality about taking this vaccine and then patting yourself on the back feeling all righteous while you take a selfie with your little green vaccinated sticker and post it on Facebook.

Those same people would have been the first people in line to hop on the trains to the extermination camps and rat out their fellow Jews because the Nazis said "it is for your own safety"