Official Coyotes 2019-2020 Roster Discussion Thread #6
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Oh please oh please oh please! Oh please oh please oh please! Oh please oh please oh please! Oh please oh please oh please! Just SIGN TAYLOR HALL!!!
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Throwing more shit at the wall - Schmaltz for Johansen? Just thinking it gets Nashville out of that contract and gets us a more natural center. It's a bit of a cap bump for us but nothing unmanageable.
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i just want Hall. I wouldn't add cap at this point. I'd be shedding whatever I can to keep him.
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I think if we can shed $6m and have a full roster once it's done, we can sign Hall. That's $9m for Hall at whatever term but gives us zero cap flexibility. Stepan alone gets us close. If we can drop Goligoski while we're at it then we can sign a 3c and 7d and have enough space left if we need it. Kessel makes the most sense to move because of term but no one is going to give us anything useful for him at 2y/$6.8m.
Coyotes roster makeover Version #1,045
Trying to improve the roster with the fewest number of moves possible to keep it realistic.
1. Stepan and Hossa to Ottawa for an AHLer. Gives the Sens a cheap vet center and a cap floor buffer for when they sell at the deadline. If you take back an AHLer making NHL money, it'd only be about a 1 mil bump cash wise, so excellent value. Pure cap dump for us.
2. Re-sign Hall for 8.5 mil x 8 years. That makes him our highest paid player. Don't love the term but that's what it may take. Edit: Give Stepan's "A" to Hall.
3. Raanta to Carolina for Reimer. Gives the Canes an elite goaltender when healthy for less than a 1 mil cap increase and a negligible acquisition cost. Not sure how Carolina upgrades at G otherwise when they already have two goalies under contract and others will be more expensive to acquire via trade. Raanta shares the net with Mrazek. We downgrade but get assurance of a healthy backup and about 1 mil cap savings.
4. Schmaltz to Nashville for Johansen. Admittedly I don't love this deal but the only way we will add a legitimate C is to add a flawed one. Johansen is a more natural C than Schmaltz and helps us change our core. For Nashville, they get out of Johansen's 8 mil deal (5 years left), save 2+ mil in cap space, and get a little younger (28 vs. 24).
5. Demers to Vancouver for Roussel. My thinking here is Vancouver previously tried to add Demers (from Florida) but he wouldn't waive his NTC. That NTC is expired now and he could fill a role at RD in Vancouver if they lose Tanev in UFA. Demers and Tanev have relatively equal cap hits. Roussel has one more year of term and moving that out is beneficial to free up future cap for young players like Hughes. For us, Roussel brings that much needed "edge".
6. Buyout Grabner. Release (don't qualify) Hinostroza. The below leaves just under 2 mil in cap space.
Hall - Johansen - Kessel
Keller - Dvorak - Garland
Crouse - Hayton - Fischer
Roussel - Richardson - Bunting
Burke
Fourth line has potential to be irritating. I was actually surprised Bunting wasn't brought into the bubble. I gave Fischer his QO and Richie 1 mil.
OEL - Hammer
Chychrun - Goligoski
Oesterle - Soderstrom
Capobianco
Kuemper
Reimer
Trying to improve the roster with the fewest number of moves possible to keep it realistic.
1. Stepan and Hossa to Ottawa for an AHLer. Gives the Sens a cheap vet center and a cap floor buffer for when they sell at the deadline. If you take back an AHLer making NHL money, it'd only be about a 1 mil bump cash wise, so excellent value. Pure cap dump for us.
2. Re-sign Hall for 8.5 mil x 8 years. That makes him our highest paid player. Don't love the term but that's what it may take. Edit: Give Stepan's "A" to Hall.
3. Raanta to Carolina for Reimer. Gives the Canes an elite goaltender when healthy for less than a 1 mil cap increase and a negligible acquisition cost. Not sure how Carolina upgrades at G otherwise when they already have two goalies under contract and others will be more expensive to acquire via trade. Raanta shares the net with Mrazek. We downgrade but get assurance of a healthy backup and about 1 mil cap savings.
4. Schmaltz to Nashville for Johansen. Admittedly I don't love this deal but the only way we will add a legitimate C is to add a flawed one. Johansen is a more natural C than Schmaltz and helps us change our core. For Nashville, they get out of Johansen's 8 mil deal (5 years left), save 2+ mil in cap space, and get a little younger (28 vs. 24).
5. Demers to Vancouver for Roussel. My thinking here is Vancouver previously tried to add Demers (from Florida) but he wouldn't waive his NTC. That NTC is expired now and he could fill a role at RD in Vancouver if they lose Tanev in UFA. Demers and Tanev have relatively equal cap hits. Roussel has one more year of term and moving that out is beneficial to free up future cap for young players like Hughes. For us, Roussel brings that much needed "edge".
6. Buyout Grabner. Release (don't qualify) Hinostroza. The below leaves just under 2 mil in cap space.
Hall - Johansen - Kessel
Keller - Dvorak - Garland
Crouse - Hayton - Fischer
Roussel - Richardson - Bunting
Burke
Fourth line has potential to be irritating. I was actually surprised Bunting wasn't brought into the bubble. I gave Fischer his QO and Richie 1 mil.
OEL - Hammer
Chychrun - Goligoski
Oesterle - Soderstrom
Capobianco
Kuemper
Reimer
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Did you factor in the Kuemper and Keller raises? That doesn't look like nearly enough salary shed to fit Hall.
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1) I don't think it's enough to entice Ottawa, but it helps that it costs them next to no actual money. I think we end up taking some salary and cap back.
2) I don't think he's interested, and I am afraid of the term. I'd much rather hand him more money shorter-term. I think we wave him goodbye.
3) Not that interested. Move Raanta for an overpaid position player, not another overpaid goalie. I don't think Raanta has negative value-- and it certainly is higher than Riemer at his hit. It doesn't save us nearly enough to tempt me. . Bright side is they are both expiring. I'd target Dzingel or Gardiner both of whom they may find expendable. Take Riemer at 50% and we add ~$800k cap and fill a hole. Gardiner and Riemer at 40% would add $1.5M. We probably have to add, but it fills a F or D slot for under $2M∆.
4) I'd consider this if we've exhausted other options. What about Schmaltz for Risto? Or Schmaltz and Stepan for Risto and MoJo. We shed ~$2.5M cap, so maybe we have to retain on Stepan (only one year) to make the cap even.
5) I'm okay with moving Demers or adding Roussel, but that looks awful to me
6) I think we let Vinnie walk. Not sure it's worth buying out Grabner. Depends on how bad we need to squeeze cap.
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If that’s cap-compliant, I’d definitely do all of that. I’d definitely get meaner, more seasoned, but still cheap veterans for the 12th and 13th forward spots, though.
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So I tried this. I think a few of my deals might be light, like the Carolina one, but I doubt they are more than "add a midround pick" unbalanced.
Riemer@50% + Dzingel for Raanta (+pick or whatever)
Schmaltz for RyJo bc you already did it
AJohnsson for Demers (+ pick or whatever)
Stepan and Hossa for Anisimov (I know, I know, but I really don't think they're interested in that much cap just to add Step. Obviously, if you can do it without him, great. Brown would be better. Some jam and cheaper bottom sixer)
Dzingel - RyJo- Keller
AJohnsson- Dvo- Garland
Crouse-Hayton-Phil
Burke- Anismov- Grabner
Bunting
OEL-Hammer
Chych- Soderstrom
Goligoski-Oesterle
Capo
Leaves you with $2.9M to chase a decent scoring forward or shuffle more faces around. And that's with Anisimov at full hit ($4.55M) coming back. If you can shave that figure with Ottawa, it's even more money to play with. That $7.4M cap might be Hall's money if rt had his way!
Ansimov with $2M retained leaves you a hair under $5M space.
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Mine shows a million in Cap without Richardson, Fischer, and Copobianco signed??
Edit: I see my errors
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I hope we beat Nashville on Friday. I want to get a longer look at post-Watson-hit OEL. It really woke him the f*** up from a three year slumber. I want to make sure he doesn’t fall back asleep.
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We’re all forgetting about the expansion draft. I am honestly not up on the rules of who / how many people we can protect, but maybe the Kraken take Schmaltz or Kessel off our hands
5) I'm okay with moving Demers or adding Roussel, but that looks awful to me
Curious about this point. Awful for us? Awful for Vancouver?
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