(Official) Around the NHL Thread 10.0: We're Bad, But So Is The Pacific Division

[Dertell]

If Phaneuf isn't the number 1 dman he won't be terrible. He's goi g to be paired with Karlsson.

I have nothing against Phaneuf but 7mx6 for a 30 years old #3 defensemen has some pretty bad long-term implications.

 

[Pirate King Luffy]

I have nothing against Phaneuf but 7mx6 for a 30 years old #3 defensemen has some pretty bad long-term implications.

I don't think they would acquired him with the intention of playing him as the #3 dman.

 

[Flames Fanatic]

I don't think they would acquired him with the intention of playing him as the #3 dman.

As a Sens fan I disagree. Methot has worked really well with Karlsson, while their other two pairings are a tire fire. Phaneuf's job is to lessen the fire from the second pairing as much as possible.

I could very well be wrong, but that is what managment has been preaching for a while. The need to upgrade the D.

 

[moon*]

I don't think they would acquired him with the intention of playing him as the #3 dman.

Why?

They didn't give up a ton to get him so why would they feel a need to play him higher than he is a fit for? Especially when Karlsson-Methot seem to have decent chemistry and working well and they have (reportedly) been looking for a partner to pair with Ceci?

 

[DCDM]

I don't think they would acquired him with the intention of playing him as the #3 dman.

If he only plays as well as a 3 dman, what other choice will they have?

 

[InfinityIggy]

I don't think they would acquired him with the intention of playing him as the #3 dman.

They won't split up Karlsson/Methot.

Phaneuf can function to give them a sort of 1b-pairing and patches a giant hole for them in their bottom-4.

 

[Calculon]

Odd. Babcock did nothing but rave about Phaneuf.

Pretty underwhelming all around. Leafs get cap space, Senators get a overpaid but legitimate top four defenceman signed forever, while dumping a bunch of their bad contracts.

 

[Calculon]

 

[Tkachuk Norris]

Poor Lupul haha

 

[Turning Mangiapanese]

That's a lot of spare parts on the move in Ontario. Just glad we didn't go after Cowen as it was rumored some time ago.

 

[BigRangy]

What would that trade have looked like from a Calgary perspective?

Stajan, Raymond, colborne, 2nd for phaneuf + contracts?

If the flames were still in the mix, that is not a bad trade for the flames. I think Dion would pair very nicely with Hamilton.

 

[Unlimited Chequing]

I think Dion would pair very nicely with Hamilton.

Two D men that like to get in on the play offensively? That would be terrible pairing. Dion was only good when he had someone covering his ass when he screwed up, and he did that a lot. That guy would have to be either Gio or Brodie.

 

[Calculon]

Stajan+Raymond+Smid+Klimchuk/Poirier+2nd

And still do not want Phaneuf's 7M cap hit for the next five years. All of the Flames bad contracts save Stajan are done after next season and they'll be in an excellent spot to aggressively pursue free agents or quality RFA's. But they need to restock the cupboards with assets now to make that happen.

 

[Anglesmith]

What would that trade have looked like from a Calgary perspective?

Stajan, Raymond, colborne, 2nd for phaneuf + contracts?

If the flames were still in the mix, that is not a bad trade for the flames. I think Dion would pair very nicely with Hamilton.

Raymond, Colborne, Smith and Engelland?

It's tough to say because the Flames don't really have a comparable to Cowen.

 

[Flames Fanatic]

Raymond, Colborne, Smith and Engelland?

It's tough to say because the Flames don't really have a comparable to Cowen.

Smid?

 

[Flames Fanatic]

Poor Lupul haha

????

What did I miss?

 

[Anglesmith]

Smid?

Smid isn't a terrible hockey player, though, he's just had major health issues. And he's getting paid much more than Cowen, too.

 

[Johnny GODreau]

What would that trade have looked like from a Calgary perspective?

Stajan, Raymond, colborne, 2nd for phaneuf + contracts?

If the flames were still in the mix, that is not a bad trade for the flames. I think Dion would pair very nicely with Hamilton.

Stajan + Smid + Raymond + 2nd for Dion...

Smid becomes Polak's replacement, Raymond becomes Grabner's replacement. Stajan a good vet too keep around during a rebuild...

I was pretty close...

Stajan = Michalek
Smid = Cowan
Raymond = Greening
? = Lindberg
2nd = 2nd


Just missing the Lindberg replacement..

If that happened I would've wanted these pairings:

Gio-Phaneuf
Brodie-Hamilton
Russell-Engelland

 

[Calculon]

Cowan has a cap hit of 3.1M and an actual salary of 3.7M this season and 4.5M next season.

Smid's cap hit is 3.5M and an actual salary of 3.75M this season, and 4M next season.

 

[InfinityIggy]

Smid?

Cowan makes Smid look like a dynamo.

Cowan actually has some offensive tools (his NHL stats don't reflect this) but he is so bad defensively you can't really use him as anything more than a situational #6.

 

[Ace Rimmer]

Hey, Phaneuf got traded in another blockbuster. Neat!

 

[Johnny Hoxville]

That is twice that he got dealt for some spare parts.

 

[Flames Fanatic]

Cowan makes Smid look like a dynamo.

Cowan actually has some offensive tools (his NHL stats don't reflect this) but he is so bad defensively you can't really use him as anything more than a situational #6.

Trust me, I know. Cowan being moved as a Sens fan is practically a gift in itself.

 

[Lunatik]

Details:

Leafs acquire:

-Greening
-Cowen
-Michalek
-Lindberg
-2017 2nd

Sens acquire:

-Phaneuf
-Frattin
-Bailey
-Rupert
-Donaghey

So what you're telling me is the Flames win this trade

 

[Bouma Fett*]

Phaneuf's dollars paid goes down over the contract each year too, so it's a higher cap hit than pay amount which is good for the Sens.