Speculation: Offer Sheets - What would you like to see Bergevin do?

[Le compétiteur]

I would try to trade for Laine and if no trade can be done I would send a offersheet at+/- 10.5 millions ( max possible to stay at 2 first round pick)

If not accepted or match I would stop here.

 

[26Mats]

BargainBin is not going to offer more. I'm thinking they are trying to get a trade done or leave it as be.

What would you give up for Laine that the Jets would want?

 

[slybel]

What would you give up for Laine that the Jets would want?

To get Laine, you offer what you can but a tiny bit below what you would give in a OS. So for 10.5 it's 2 1st, a 2nd and a 3rd. They would probably ask for Suzuki and a 1st for starters. Then you add a RFA perhaps or a D prospect. The jets might want players now instead of waiting for those picks...

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[26Mats]

To get Laine, you offer what you can but a tiny bit below what you would give in a OS. So for 10.5 it's 2 1st, a 2nd and a 3rd. They would probably ask for Suzuki and a 1st for starters. Then you add a RFA perhaps or a D prospect. The jets might want players now instead of waiting for those picks...

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That's not enough. Jets don't want to rebuild.

You're going to need some kind of package including one or most probably 2 of Gallagher, Domi, Kotkaniemi, Poehling.

 

[hotcarle]

What would you give up for Laine that the Jets would want?

We just don't have the assets. The recent three drafts look to have added some good prospects. But they haven't increased in value enough yet to be the cornerstones of a blockbuster deal. I think they're worth more to us than they are to others.

But the barren wasteland of draft garbage from 2008-2015 has limited our ability to make big trades.

The hostile offer-sheet is the way to go. Don't ask, just take. They match Laine at 10.5m, sure whatever . See if they match Connor at 8.5m.

Everyone is saying we don't have the cap space, but it will take a bit of manoeuvring, and that's why they paid the big bucks.

On a related note, anyone discouraged that we can be up against the cap, while icing a mediocre team without signing significant ufas?

 

[26Mats]

We just don't have the assets. The recent three drafts look to have added some good prospects. But they haven't increased in value enough yet to be the cornerstones of a blockbuster deal. I think they're worth more to us than they are to others.

But the barren wasteland of draft garbage from 2008-2015 has limited our ability to make big trades.

The hostile offer-sheet is the way to go. Don't ask, just take. They match Laine at 10.5m, sure whatever . See if they match Connor at 8.5m.

Everyone is saying we don't have the cap space, but it will take a bit of manoeuvring, and that's why they paid the big bucks.

On a related note, anyone discouraged that we can be up against the cap, while icing a mediocre team without signing significant ufas?

I would offer sheet Point or Marner at 13 million. We can make the cap space and it's the only realistic chance we have of getting a top flight rfa.

Your 8.5 million os for Connor is similar: perhaps more than a team facing cap issues can afford to pay their rfa.

I also think it's highly unlikely any outrageous os doesn't get matched. Our best chance to get a high end player was trading two 2nds (i.e. Shaw and Byron) for PK Subban. A big missed opportunity.

 

[CristianoRonaldo]

Provorov.

 

[Habs]

I think Bergy should do another 5 year plan, and change the direction of the team every 2 years. Its worked wonders up to this point. Dude is a legend.

 

[slybel]

That's not enough. Jets don't want to rebuild.

You're going to need some kind of package including one or most probably 2 of Gallagher, Domi, Kotkaniemi, Poehling.

Then you go with the OS at 10.5 and see. If not, status quo. TANK for Lafreniere!

 

[26Mats]

Then you go with the OS at 10.5 and see. If not, status quo. TANK for Lafreniere!

Since the Jets would match right away, and MB knows that, I have to think these rumors that MTL's interested in Laine were fabricated by people in the internet sports industry to increase clicks on their website, and thus increase advertising revenue.

 

[CapSpace]

For Laine I'd try to trade, no offer sheet there. Let's try to keep our 1st in 2020. Of course they'll ask for a good young player + a roster player and probably more (pick-s or b prospect-s).

It all depends on if MB and Molson want to win now or keep waiting that our prospect pool blosom. Weber and price ain't getting any younger but do they believe they can give us both at least 5 years or strong hockey?

 

[sandviper]

Provorov Before Laine IMO. He’ll play more minutes and harder minutes than Laine. He’d be the best LD on the team, never mind a top-3 on our team now and for the length of whatever contract we offer. Stronger skater than Laine as well.

I get Laine scores a lot and we need that, but Provorov would help our team more.

Anyhow, we’re done with OS I think. If it’s an issue for their teams to sign, I’d investigate trade options. That said, for Laine and Provorov, I would hesitate offering $10.5.

 

[hotcarle]

I think Bergy should do another 5 year plan, and change the direction of the team every 2 years. Its worked wonders up to this point. Dude is a legend.

He's still here. No reason to change what has worked for him.

 

[Playmaker09]

Threaten the Flyers with a 8.45 by 5 offer sheet on Provorov. But offer them Mete + Drouin as an alternative and see if they bite.

 

[Ryan O'Byrne]

I’ m under the understanding offer sheets were meant to ensure players got paid what they are worth and not for the purpose of just paying outrageously high salary to steal players away.so the offer mb made was what offer sheets are suppose to look like imho. So I’d say no to offering to much on any offer sheet just to get the player.

 

[Playmaker09]

I’ m under the understanding offer sheets were meant to ensure players got paid what they are worth and not for the purpose of just paying outrageously high salary to steal players away.so the offer mb made was what offer sheets are suppose to look like imho. So I’d say no to offering to much on any offer sheet just to get the player.

So the goal of an offer sheet is to give the other team's GM a summer vacation while you do all the negotiating work for them? That's news to me.

Good guy Bergy strikes again!

 

[MSLs absurd thighs]

What about no offersheet? What about taking conventional means to improve the team, like every single GM does? i.e. UFA market, transactions... Bergevin has been trying as hard as possible to avoid those routes in the past 7 years. Always going for cheap/under-the-radar, low-risk signings/acquisitions when it's a matter of ADDING to the team, and doing trades and signings otherwise only with the objective to replace what he just lost or what he's giving up (Prust->Kassian. Ryder->Briere. Briere->Parenteau. Parenteau->Semin. Subban->Weber. Eller->Shaw. Emelin->Alzner. Galchenyuk->Domi. Niemi->Kinkaid. Benn->Chiarot. Shaw->Cousins).

What about using trades and the UFA market to actually add over what we've already got? Original idea, I know...

 

[Ciao]

I would offer sheet Point or Marner at 13 million. We can make the cap space and it's the only realistic chance we have of getting a top flight rfa.

Your 8.5 million os for Connor is similar: perhaps more than a team facing cap issues can afford to pay their rfa.

I also think it's highly unlikely any outrageous os doesn't get matched. Our best chance to get a high end player was trading two 2nds (i.e. Shaw and Byron) for PK Subban. A big missed opportunity.

Leafs fan dropping by in peace.

Please get Marner to sign an offer sheet -- at any price or term. Then he's yours or ours.

Marner would look great on the Habs, and if that's what it takes to reach a contract I'm all for it. There's no guarantee the Leafs would match at Marner's price -- whatever that might be.

 

[CapSpace]

Leafs fan dropping by in peace.

Please get Marner to sign an offer sheet -- at any price or term. Then he's yours or ours.

Marner would look great on the Habs, and if that's what it takes to reach a contract I'm all for it. There's no guarantee the Leafs would match at Marner's price -- whatever that might be.

What is this sorcery!

 

[1909]

No more offer sheets, PLEASE !

 

[AmeriHab]

Leave.

That’s what I’d like to see him do.

 

[1909]

Leafs fan dropping by in peace.

Please get Marner to sign an offer sheet -- at any price or term. Then he's yours or ours.

Marner would look great on the Habs, and if that's what it takes to reach a contract I'm all for it. There's no guarantee the Leafs would match at Marner's price -- whatever that might be.

He will stay yours then, because Leafs are super rich and your GM will find a way to make space for him under the cap.

Habs and Bergevin will look bad, again .....

 

[CHarlie]

HockeyBuzz.com - Brandon Smillie - Big Game Hunting.

Interesting read

 

[Ciao]

He will stay yours then, because Leafs are super rich and your GM will find a way to make space for him under the cap.

Habs and Bergevin will look bad, again .....

I wish.

I had little patience for Nylander, even less for Marner, and I am forever grateful that Trouba is not the Leafs' problem.

I really can't stand the "me too" generation.

 

[Habs]

Since the Jets would match right away, and MB knows that, I have to think these rumors that MTL's interested in Laine were fabricated by people in the internet sports industry to increase clicks on their website, and thus increase advertising revenue.

That's all it ever is.