Meh, opinions.
I'm ok with blowing our load to put us over the top. Barring that, I'd rather make a minor trade or 2 and go with what we have.
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Meh, opinions.
I'm ok with blowing our load to put us over the top. Barring that, I'd rather make a minor trade or 2 and go with what we have.
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The rangers got better, a cheaper player than what callahan wanted, none of our assets like miller, skejl, kristo, etc going the other way, no albatross 6 year committment, and peole still ***** and moan.
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I'm happy we added to get a difference maker as opposed to a desperation move to get scraps. The picks hurt so we have to keep finding the Zucs and Allens and Girardis out there. MSL is a freak like Chelios and depending on injuries can prob keep playing effectively until he's 42-43. What about that VANEK ROBBERY pulled by Montreal? Not a good look for Snow, he's gone.
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Is Booby Orr still MDZs agent? With his 2.55 coming up on RFA, I bet they couldn't wait to dump him and Orr's 5 yr - 5 mil negotiation starting point.
If Cally right from the beginning went to Sathef and said 6 yrs- 6 mil, 3 yrs NMC, he'd be playing Toronto right now. Really is a travesty. Oh well, welcome MSL.
Amazing Kreiderman
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damn it...
The Rangers were going to draft a future 20 year old MSL next year
In the 6th round
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Flyers fan stopping by in peace, I love Cally and everything he brings he's one of my favorite players, tough spot though for Sather do you pay him what he wanted and eat up cap space, or trade him?
Either way good luck the rest of the way ladies and gents!
Either way good luck the rest of the way ladies and gents!
so how long till we will see commercials for Beginnings: St.Louis
I would also assume St. Louis's grandmother is probably dead, so no more grandma interviews.
haohmaru
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Well, thinking about it some more, exactly who is going to stand in front of the goalie now on shots from the point? Probably no one.
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If that's our biggest worry with the departure of Callahan, we'll be fine. Shot blockers can be found for 800k/y
thanks. im jealous of your toughness and grit, Rangers dont have anyone. id love a Simmonds Hartnell type forward on this Rangers team but i do love this St.Louis trade.
haohmaru
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Uh. No.
I mean standing in front of THEIR goalie when WE shoot from the point.
Used to be, but not any more. DZ will go to arbitration. Bad season this year doesn't give him leverage, but his stats for the 2 before make him an arbitration darling.
Could get 4+ easily on his past performance.
My Gawd was that a bad shift. Lost his man, chased, then didn't clear the crease.
GeorgeKaplan
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Uh. No.
I mean standing in front of THEIR goalie when WE shoot from the point.
probably kreider or pouliot
MrEctions
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Not really grasping the negativity at this trade. TB had to get something major in return as they just lost one of the best players in the league and as they have no guarantee they retain Callahan, the picks are their guaranteed return. You don't get an amazingly well conditioned player who led the league in scoring last season, and is 9th in pts and 5th in goals this season, for nothing. And I understand people tripping that St Louis is 38. But...
If you are confused about his conditioning or worried over it, I get it. But tell me how many guys in the league, at any age, are in this kind of shape or look like this:
- This is one of the absolute best conditioned athletes in the entire league, at any age. The guy is a workout fanatic and built like a freakin tank.
- At 38 his game isn't exactly in the crapper. He is, right this second, one of the best in the league. This is the same guy who led the entire league in scoring last season, and who THIS SEASON is 9th in pts and 5th in goals. This is one of the premier scorers in the league, right now, and his conditioning and skill set is off the hook.
- And as insanely well-conditioned as he is, it is not remotely out of the loop he is still a very effective player 3, 4, 5 seasons from now. Even if his game falls a bit, his skill level and conditioning say this guy has more than one more good year in him, easily, and he will likely sign a very friendly deal and still be very damn good.
If you are confused about his conditioning or worried over it, I get it. But tell me how many guys in the league, at any age, are in this kind of shape or look like this:
NYR Viper
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I really like the player, I still am a bit taken back by the price. Moving so many picks in a short span like they have down with Nash, Clowe and now MSL is a huge risk
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Same exact sentiment here. Don't like the fact we missed out on the 2013 and 2014 1st round.
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Potential loss of 3 1st rounders in 4 years. A lot of what bothers me about it is the principle behind it.
Unless we start selling, we are ****ed in the future.
The analysis I did after the trade though, made me feel a little better about it:
Basically, we had to trade Cally, or, keep him as a rental (which we know wasn't going to happen).
Vanek, a better scorer, went for next to nothing, a mediocre prospect and condition second.
Moulson, maybe a little less valuable then Cally, or on par, depending what your thought process is, went for 2 2nds, with a throw in.
Hemsky got a 3rd and a 5th
Goc 3rd and 5th.
These guys are all around Callahan, better or slightly worse. None brought back a first. Doubt Callahan was brining back a first. I think, even with all the teams in it, the market was diluted this year, due to the recent hauls over the past few markets.
More teams were willing to leverage their older, UFA players, then in the past, due to the high picks people were selling. But what became apparent was, quite a few players for sale, less GM's wanting to forfeit picks.
I'm guessing that's the reason the Moulson and Vanek trades were held out until the last second. Hoping someone would swoop in with a first or better prospect and it never happened.
So, we can assume Callahan would have been likely traded for a 2nd, 2 at best, although I'd guess a 2nd and 3rd or something.
Those picks aren't bad, but do we really give that spot to JT and essentially forfeit a chance at ANY playoff run?
I'm a major pessimist and don't think this team has a shot at winning with MSL, which is why i'm still a little down on this trade, but I can see the reasoning behind replacing Cally with MSL and moving forward.
The 1st rounder stings, especially if we make the ECF this year and it becomes two. But lets worry when we get there.
Regardless, I think looking at the haul, we have MSL for a few years, could still get a cond. second back and gave up a 1st next year, with a second this year.
We added picks instead of moving Cally for a package that frankly, was not worthy of him.
It was a buyers market this year. Cally, with his demands and decline in play was not bringing us enough to warrant a trade. Instead we created a package around him and upgraded tenfold currently.
I'm not happy with it, but I can live with it. Something I really wouldn't have been able to do if we had signed him to a 6million deal or shipped our captain out for a mixture of middling picks.
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Yeah, fast forward to a few years from now, not gonna be pretty. Of course, if we win a Cup, none of this matters.
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