Confirmed Trade: [NYR/FLA] Frank Vatrano for 2022 4th round pick

[Peltz]

Frankie is a workhorse. He can be a pest and get under the opposition's skin, wasn't going to be able to re-sign here, this clears a spot. Definitely another move on the way. Hate that he's a Ranger now.

Nice. Sounds like the exact type of player we needed.

 

[Big Daddy Cane]

Can he be a Top 9 center on a team that wants to go deep?
Does he bring the size that GMs covet?
Will the coach trust him defensively?
Is he producing at a noteworthy clip?

If the answer to all of the above is no, the player is an undersized, offensive winger having a meh year. That's not a rental teams will pay much of a price for.

 

[Kane One]

Can he be a Top 9 center on a team that wants to go deep?
Does he bring the size that GMs covet?
Will the coach trust him defensively?
Is he producing at a noteworthy clip?

If the answer to all of the above is no, the player is an undersized, offensive winger having a meh year. That's not a rental teams will pay much of a price for.

Rangers have another $29.2m in deadline cap space, so I doubt this is the only move they’re making.

 

[Peltz]

Most of us loved Frankie. But he's declined in his role for us. I'm sure he'll do great in NYR. I'll also add that her tends to take stupid offensive zone penalties

Well Strome needs a pal in the penalty box to keep him company so why not?

 

[Tawnos]

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Are you trying to say that *you* are Dryden Hunt? Because that's what that quote means... that it's your name.

 

[JimmyG89]

As a Penguins fan, I don't mind this. This weakens Flordia and it doesn't strengthen the Rangers to a worrisome extent.

Good, don't worry about the 2nd place team in your division improving when you root for the 3rd place team in the division. Makes total sense.

This was the lineup that they faced when the Pens won 1-0 at home:



Vatrano is better than 6 of the guys on that lineup. They just played yesterday with Johnny Brodzinski on the 3rd line. Hunt is still on the 2nd line.

Rangers got space and aren't done.

 

[Gizmo Tkachuk]

Good, don't worry about the 2nd place team in your division improving when you root for the 3rd place team in the division. Makes total sense.

This was the lineup that they faced when the Pens won 1-0 at home:



Vatrano is better than 6 of the guys on that lineup. They just played yesterday with Johnny Brodzinski on the 3rd line. Hunt is still on the 2nd line.

Rangers got space and aren't done.

Frankie on that second line could be nice

 

[SingnBluesOnBroadway]

Can he be a Top 9 center on a team that wants to go deep?
Does he bring the size that GMs covet?
Will the coach trust him defensively?
Is he producing at a noteworthy clip?

If the answer to all of the above is no, the player is an undersized, offensive winger having a meh year. That's not a rental teams will pay much of a price for.

Seems like awfully narrow parameters to judge a move.

 

[SEALBound]

Good, don't worry about the 2nd place team in your division improving when you root for the 3rd place team in the division. Makes total sense.

This was the lineup that they faced when the Pens won 1-0 at home:



Vatrano is better than 6 of the guys on that lineup. They just played yesterday with Johnny Brodzinski on the 3rd line. Hunt is still on the 2nd line.

Rangers got space and aren't done.

I based that on the game we played recently. I liked the Penguins game against the Rangers quite a bit and adding Vatrano doesn't concern me. Guess we'll see.

 

[JimmyG89]

Frankie on that second line could be nice

I hope that is where he is until Kakko comes back. He's also good insurance if you need to switch things up in the future and add him onto that line.

Right now, Hunt flubs half the shots Strome and Panarin hit him with. Vatrano is going to bury those passes way more often.

GL on getting Giroux or whoever you're targeting. Unless somehow both teams meet in the playoffs, Florida is the team I want to see do a ton of damage. Very fun team.

 

[TheBloodyNine]

Rangers get a cheap depth option
Panthers clear space

Nothing to hate from either side.

 

[JoeSakic13]

Making room for Chychrun

#bringchychhome

 

[TheBloodyNine]

 

[DudeWhereIsMakar]

Probably a move for Giroux/Chychrun from Florida's end. I think they only take Giroux if Chychrun doesn't end up in Florida.

 

[2014nyr]

love this pickup for a 4th. not a game changer by any means but the kind of player we need. might actually jump in nicely for hunt, but upgrades the bottom 6 if not. perfect value pickup. fla obv really vaues the cap space, hope giroux ends up there

 

[Jersey Fresh]

I mean, a second rounder for a UFA-bound 10 goal scorer would have been absurd.

 

[Charlie Conway]

Why does NYR do this?

$31 million in deadline cap space, injuries, a lack of depth, and the need for some oomph. It’s a good trade for NYR. Worst-case, we lose a 4th.

 

[Big Daddy Cane]

Seems like awfully narrow parameters to judge a move.

I'm not judging the move from either perspective.

A couple comments on the prior page indicated that it seemed like a cheap price. Unless Vatrano is a different player than I perceive (I could be wrong), I don't see it as out of line given the player type.

 

[kerrabria]

Bye, Tanklin, it was a fun ride.

Depending on how you count it, Vatrano was the fifth longest tenured Panther. Huberdeau, Barkov, Ekblad, and Weegar came before him, and Tippett/Mamin both debuted as Panthers in Fall 2017 (Vatrano was acquired around the 2017-18 deadline), both of those guys went back to their development teams for several years before coming back. Vatrano has been part of the roster for a full four years.

I'll give my NY bros a scouting report:

Pros

• Great straight-line speed
• Gives 110% like 90% of the time
• Physical along the boards
• Absolute rifle of a snap shot and slap shot
• Has a long stick and poke-checks the point-man well
• Is effective on both the LW/RW
• Is an overtime beast (at least in 3v3)
• Teammates adored him

Cons

• Some of the worst tunnel vision I've ever seen
• Can't complete a pass
• Makes his linemates worse
• If he isn't scoring, he's doing absolutely nothing
• Can be careless and is prone to stick penalties

The Skinny

• Frank is the quintessential north-south player. He's fast, he's physical, and he can snipe with the best of them. When he's on a hot streak, you can plug him in as the third wheel in any of the eight wing spots. When he's not hot, he's still a useful fourth liner with significant finishing capabilities and is a good option for the PP2 and 3v3 OT. Unfortunately, his inability to compliment his linemates and his proclivity for penalties means that this guy who can produce like a middle 6er really belongs on the fourth line with the energy players.

 

[PatriceBergeronFan]

Added depth for basically free? Our bottom 6 has been inconsistent all season with AHLers in and out of the lineup.

I had been under the impression NYR essentially had too much depth. If not it makes sense.

 

[Peltz]

Frankie on that second line could be nice

I think Kakko will be back there when he's healthy. But with his release, I agree he could finish some passes from Panarin.

 

[Gizmo Tkachuk]

I mean, a second rounder for a UFA-bound 10 goal scorer would have been absurd.

Yeah sounds like Zito would've mostly kept him if something bigger wasn't in the works

 

[Peltz]

I had been under the impression NYR essentially had too much depth. If not it makes sense.

Not at all. Last season, that was the case with too many finesse players and not enough sandpaper. But this season is very different.

 

[noo]

When they say "lower of the 2 picks" does that mean the better one or worse?

Say it's picks #40 & #50, which one do they get?

 

[Kane One]

When they say "lower of the 2 picks" does that mean the better one or worse?

Say it's picks #40 & #50, which one do they get?

I’d say lower means 50th.