I have no problem with the rest of the post, but how do you or anyone of us, for that matter, know that Hayes is a "picky camper" and where he would or would not re-sign, obvious cellar dwellers aside? Carolina wouldn't be one, adding a Kevin Hayes.
Rangers have no reason to trade Zibby and that offer would easily be beat if they decided to move him.Fox, Fleury, Buffalo's 2nd for Zibanejad.
Fox, Fleury, Buffalo's 2nd for Zibanejad.
no general dissent here, except as to bold, it is still a risk IMO leaning vs that he signs with Carolina.It’s the same as McAvoy. Canes will burn one ELC year at the end of this year and Fox plays next year which = 2 years. Taking the UFA route he starts playing in 2020-2021 which coincides with the potential lockout year.
Just because Fox “might” do something doesn’t mean the Canes should react. Fox was a key addition to the Calgary deal for a reason. All they have to go on is the data in front of them. Fox did not want to play in Western Canada for Calgary. All indications thus far have pointed towards Fox being happy with Carolina. Fox’s primary concern is playing next year so the Canes need to make a spot for him.
Sorry bern, as others have mentioned, we're not in a position to take on rentals. It's too much risk on both sides, and I'd much rather hold onto McKeown (who I think should be playing over TVR and Fleury at this point) and Fox than hope whatever we'd get back from shipping Hayes and Zuc back out are equitable assets (unlikely).
Please stop that nonsense. They're too close to being in the playoff mix to just toss away the rest of the season right now. They're not going to "tank" and collect a good pick, purposely. Having these 2 players makes the Canes better. While the package might not be what you want to part with, and that's understandable, Fox is a very appealing prospect, but Canes aren't tossing in the towel on the rest of the season.Terrible, terrible offer for the Canes. Zero interest in rentals.
The Canes don’t need two rentals for their current bottom-5 talent team. They will tank, collect a good draft pick, and try again next year. Fox is the only significant appealing piece in this trade for Carolina as he is the only long-term piece.
Trade your rentals to a team that is competing.
You are the only one that thinks Zib is a stopgap.As to Fox, not to beat the horse, if it is reasonable to project Hayes + Zib are stopgaps...
Please stop that nonsense. They're too close to in the a playoff mix to just toss away the rest of the season right now. They're not going to "tank" and collect a good pick, purposely. Having these 2 players makes the Canes better. While the package might not be what you want to part with, and that's understandable, Fox is a very appealing prospect, but Canes aren't tossing in the towel on the rest of the season.
You are the only one that thinks Zib is a stopgap.
We're 1 point out of 3rd place in the metro with some key injuries (Ferland and Staal have concussions, Pesce just recovered from his injury and Rask missed the first quarter) I wouldn't say this is a lost season just yet.
My thinking here stems from his unwillingness to sign with a cup favorite franchise like Chicago post-college, a team full of superstars that drafted him. I’ll admit this is just an assumption.
No NHL GM makes a trade and thinks "Oh hey I can flip these assets at the deadline if we suck." Its almost as ridiculous a notion as suggesting an owner should purchase a players home in order to get him to waive his movement clause.And that's part of the beauty of my prop.
Get production until the deadline, then if percentages suggest is the best play, then unload for rental value.
keeps you in it.
never know who sustains what injuries as season goes on
That was moreso about getting playing time. The Rangers just about guaranteed it for him. From what I recall and I could be wrong on Chicago's side of things, but from what I was reading, they weren't willing to do the same.
It’s going to be hard to dig it up but can say with certainty Hayes debunked that in an interview saying he specifically wanted to come to the Rangers. Of course we can’t know the behind the scenes, but that he made it clear he was not promised a spot.
I don’t think you understand the Fox situation well. He would not re-enter the Draft, he would become a “college UFA” during the lockout year.
Canes will offer to accelerate his ELC 2 years beyond what any other team can offer. If he doesn’t accept that then they will look to move him this offseason. The Canes will have a year to explore options while he destroys the NCAA. Currently all signs point to him signing.
What the Canes definitely won’t do is trade Fox before he can even tell them “No”. At least not for two rentals who might be worth a 1st or a 2nd each.
That was moreso about getting playing time. The Rangers just about guaranteed it for him. From what I recall and I could be wrong on Chicago's side of things, but from what I was reading, they weren't willing to do the same.