Confirmed Trade: [NYR/CAR] Rangers trade Joey Keane to Hurricanes for Julien Gauthier

[Maximus]

Odd move for Carolina. Preparing for D to leave in expansion draft? Rangers I don't know if its 19-20 or 20-21 but they have shot to be 105 points team soon.

From your mouth to the hockey gods ears. I'm probably one of the more glass half full peeps on our board and I gotta be honest...I think us getting 105 points next year is a bit of stretch even if Gautier works out.

Don't get me wrong, the rebuild has gone even better than expected as other than Kravstsov not being here and the Lias fiasco, not much has really gone wrong at all in the almost two years since Gorton sent the letter to the fan base that a full blown rebuild was going to happen.

But to think we can get to 105 points with all the kids we got still not even close to fulfilling their potential, the fact Kreider is likely going to be gone in less than a week, is a bit more than I can even chew.

I think the playoffs should be a reasonable goal for this team next year and most of our fan base will likely expect it. I'd think maybe a 95 point year next season could be a in the offering which could possibly garner a WC spot but the 105 point days and better likely won't happen for the Rangers until the 21-22 season and going forward seeing there is still alot of growing to do still for all the kids and the prospects we got.

I'd love to be wrong but I'm just being realistic. Appreciate your optimism...I hope your right trust me...

 

[n8]

That is like saying on a resume college name is irrelevant if somebody has 10 years of experience.

except Gauthier has like almost no experience in the NHL. If you are going to use a college analogy, it's more like "so I see you graduated X school 4 years ago. Why haven't you gotten yourself a proper job in that time?" Whereas Keane is only 1 year out. Which is why I think this is not a good analogy. When you are the workplace, there comes a point where the school you went to is irrelevant. You're lucky to use 10% of what you learned in college in the workplace. Again, this analogy stinks as that is not the case in hockey. Gauthier is obviously applying himself. Did I say this analogy is not good?

I would say after 4 years, the place you were drafted has the opposite effect. As a former 1st, the longer you go without sticking in the NHL, the bigger your bust label becomes. The caveat is as a power forward, they tend to take longer to develop. Whereas Keane as a 3rd round pick categorizes as one of those brilliant finds, seeing his value soar up so high that he can apparently be traded one-for-one for a former 1st rounder. And outside of who these players are, that is the main story here. A rising 3rd rounder just got traded for a former 1st rounder. If draft position mattered, this trade would not have happened.

 

[n8]

Chrissakes Don... Another D? And for Gauthier? Don, I'm sure you know there's just 2 right handed forwards on the roster, and Williams is 38. The handedness issues have been unattended for couple seasons now, and you trade away the best RHS goal scoring forward prospect we have? For another D?

FWIW Keane is a RD

 

[pld459666]

Looking forward to the continuing development of Keane in Carolina.

Solid bottom 4 defensive prospect.

Looking forward to the continuing development of Gauthier in New York.

Solid bottom 6 physical forward.

Looks to me that we have a trade that both teams win AND lose.

Both get a solid prospect, both lose a solid prospect

 

[eco's bones]

Looking forward to the continuing development of Keane in Carolina.

Solid bottom 4 defensive prospect.

Looking forward to the continuing development of Gauthier in New York.

Solid bottom 6 physical forward.

Looks to me that we have a trade that both teams win AND lose.

Both get a solid prospect, both lose a solid prospect

It's kind of the way I see it. Gauthier adds a younger larger body forward on the cusp to our group. The Rangers can use that component in their top 6. I liked Keane quite a lot. You wonder when a guy turns pro how he's going to take that jump from the CHL and Keane was fine from the get go. So that was good. The thing is though that Keane is a smallish RD and the Rangers already have three smallish RD's ahead of him. He's not likely to turn out as good as any of them and I'm not sure he's the guy you want to run your first power play. He seems good but not that good.

 

[NJ DevLolz]

That's shocking coming from you. We could have traded Keane to Colorado for Newhook and your response would have been the same regarding Gorton not doing well.

Not really, no.

 

[BLEETCH1994]

Not really, no.

Silly "little brother syndrome" hating on the Rangers more than liking your own team. Go back to your own board and talk about P.K.

 

[haveandare]

Smart move for the Ranger, a very solid but not spectacular RD is probably the lowest need in the entire organization and a big shooting winger, even just a bottom 6 option, is among the highest need.

 

[Pavel Buchnevich]

This is pretty bad for the Rangers. Gauthier pretty much has to be considered a bust at this point. He's going to be 23 in October. Keane is 2 years younger, plays a much more valuable position and almost has as many points as Gauthier in the AHL this season despite being a rookie defenseman compared to a third-year pro winger. Did Gorton just get starstruck by the "former first rounder" tag that means absolutely nothing at this point?

It also doesn't matter that they have three good RDs on the NHL roster right now. You could always end up trading ADA or even Trouba in a bigger deal for a center and even if you don't Keane is trending really well and would likely have more trade value a year from now whereas Gauthier's trade value is clearly trending down given his continued inability to make the NHL.

Did you just get starstruck by stat lines or have you watched both players this season?

 

[Pavel Buchnevich]

Not sure if it's been asked but-how NHL ready is Keane? Are we talking a legit shot at a 3rd pair spot next season, or does he need another year or 2?

I do see he was recently called up, but looks like he didn't get any NHL games...

He needs another year. Probably not two. He got called up, and probably wouldn't have done that well. He skated for the warmup, but was sent back down. Next year he could get a few games, but plan for the 2021-22 season as when he can break into the NHL full time.

 

[Pavel Buchnevich]

How is this Keane guy scoring about as much in the AHL as a rookie as he did in the OHL? Very interesting trade.

And thats the crux of why the people who only are looking at the boxscore shouldn't expect that this is a terrible trade for the Rangers. I'm not saying that's what you're doing, but some are.

Keane is picking up a lot of points he won't get in the NHL. He's playing PP1 as a passenger on that PP, and for a guy with a pretty average shot, he has a lot of goals. Last I checked, he also had a very high SH% for a defenseman. He has some offense, but the numbers are deceiving.

 

[Jayan]

I really liked Joey Keane.. but we are stacked on RHD.

Gauthier any good?

 

[Web In Front]

Did you just get starstruck by stat lines or have you watched both players this season?

I watched both players extensively in junior. Haven't seen any of Keane this year but have had the chance to see a few Checkers games. Keane has been one of my favorite prospect defensemen for a long time and I think he's tailor made for the current era of the NHL. Gauthier isn't good enough to play top six minutes in the NHL and isn't a bottom six player. Good luck to him and the Rangers but I think he's firmly in bust territory and unlikely to work his way out.

 

[StormCast]

I really liked Joey Keane.. but we are stacked on RHD.

Gauthier any good?

IMO, Gauthier is the Nuke LaLoosh of power forwards. Wildly inconsistent, mostly a feast or famine skillset and doesn't think the game particularly well.

 

[Black Tank]

Great asset management by the Rangers. They flipped a late third round pick who was never going to play in NY because of Trouba, D'Angelo and Fox with Lindquist coming soon for a cost controlled forward who should get in the line-up for the remainder of the season. Even if they only ever get the 30 or so games left in this season out of Gauthier, that's already more than most late third picks ever contribute.

The hope is that he can stick in the bottom six and add some goal scoring rather than the hard working but hopelessly bad goal scorers they currently have in the third and fourth lines.

 

[ManofSteel55]

I don't know much about Keane, but I really like Gauthier. Good pickup Rangers, would have loved the Oilers to pick him up.

 

[tarheelhockey]

I watched both players extensively in junior. Haven't seen any of Keane this year but have had the chance to see a few Checkers games. Keane has been one of my favorite prospect defensemen for a long time and I think he's tailor made for the current era of the NHL. Gauthier isn't good enough to play top six minutes in the NHL and isn't a bottom six player. Good luck to him and the Rangers but I think he's firmly in bust territory and unlikely to work his way out.

I’m pretty down on Gauthier and have been for a while now, but calling him “firmly in bust territory” is a bit extreme. The guy is 22 and playing well in the AHL.

I could see him busting, and I think there will always be limitations in his game that will prevent him from becoming more than depth fodder. But there’s still a reasonable chance he becomes a regular NHL’er, particularly if he can land on a team that offers him the opportunity to slot into a Kreider/Grabner type of role.

 

[Rangerfan4life90]

I watched both players extensively in junior. Haven't seen any of Keane this year but have had the chance to see a few Checkers games. Keane has been one of my favorite prospect defensemen for a long time and I think he's tailor made for the current era of the NHL. Gauthier isn't good enough to play top six minutes in the NHL and isn't a bottom six player. Good luck to him and the Rangers but I think he's firmly in bust territory and unlikely to work his way out.

Lol, how exactly is he not a bottom 6 player?

 

[tarheelhockey]

Lol, how exactly is he not a bottom 6 player?

I think he means he’s not a traditional bottom 6’er who could play the PK and match up defensively.

He projects as a lite version of Chris Kreider, with the north-south skating and power forward elements but clunkier puck skills and less of the all-around game. Bear in mind Kreider was already an established NHL’er at the same age.

It’s not too late for a breakout, but the odds favor him being a bottom-6 version of Kreider which is to say a player that a lot of people wouldn’t want in the bottom 6.

 

[Tawnos]

I think he means he’s not a traditional bottom 6’er who could play the PK and match up defensively.

He projects as a lite version of Chris Kreider, with the north-south skating and power forward elements but clunkier puck skills and less of the all-around game. Bear in mind Kreider was already an established NHL’er at the same age.

It’s not too late for a breakout, but the odds favor him being a bottom-6 version of Kreider which is to say a player that a lot of people wouldn’t want in the bottom 6.

Kreider wasn’t an established NHLer at 22.

 

[bl02]

Gauthier in his first game looked pretty good. Looks like he has the tools. Drew a penalty on a breakaway he created with his speed. Was on the 4th line so didn't play much

 

[RangersFan1994]

Gauthier in his first game looked pretty good. Looks like he has the tools. Drew a penalty on a breakaway he created with his speed. Was on the 4th line so didn't play much

Played 7:18 tonight and played well. not bad for a player that they just traded for yesterday. I hope he gets a chance to prove himself on the powerplay. Especially in front screening the goalie. He should get PP time before the season ends in my opinion. I'd like to see him as am opinion just incase Kreider is not here after Monday.

 

[MarkMessyay11]

 

[tarheelhockey]

Kreider wasn’t an established NHLer at 22.

He came into that season with almost 50 games of NHL experience, played a fraction of October in Hartford before being recalled, and never went back to the AHL again.

Kreider was at a different career stage by the same age, because he’s a more well rounded player at both ends of the ice.

 

[Pavel Buchnevich]

He came into that season with almost 50 games of NHL experience, played a fraction of October in Hartford before being recalled, and never went back to the AHL again.

Kreider was at a different career stage by the same age, because he’s a more well rounded player at both ends of the ice.

Kreider sucks defensively.