WingedWheel1987
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For god's sake, PLEASE do not call up the kid and not give him a FULL game on the powerplay.
How will Cleary and Gator play on the PP if Nyquist is there?
For god's sake, PLEASE do not call up the kid and not give him a FULL game on the powerplay.
"In 19 career NHL games with the Red Wings, Nyquist has one goal and six assists."
Compare that with Cleary
For god's sake, PLEASE do not call up the kid and not give him a FULL game on the powerplay.
It should be a no-brainer to use that line, when they already have good chemistry together.
For the hell of it:
Hudler: 4 pts in first 19 career games, scored 7th point in 27th career game
Filppula: 4 pts in first 19 career games, scored 7th point in 33rd career game
In his one game, Nyquist played 2:41 on the PP. Filppula averages 3:20 PP minutes per game, and Cleary averages 3:07. Tatar has been averaging 1:47.
The one game Nyquist was called up, he was used on the powerplay, probably for the entire game, on the second unit. You probably didn't notice because he didn't do a whole lot with that time, like the rest of the Wings PP for this season.
Tatar or Nyquist should be on the top 2 lines (preferably both)
Amen. I also want both guys to play with Z and D on the top 2 lines. If either or both are in the top 6, I just hope that Babcock can resist his natural urge to banish the young guys to the bottom 6 after 1 mediocre period. Give them some time to fit in and make some plays- they'd bring a lot more to the top 6 table than either Abby or Cleary.
Exactly. You have to start somewhere, even good players. Just for the hell of it, Zetterberg had 8 points in his first 19 career games. And he was playing 16-17 minutes a night.
He was "benched" in the third period. Cleary, Fil, Smith and White on the 2nd unit played over 3 minutes on the PP that game.
I get wanting to see the young guys and playing them is only going to give them the experience to improve, but at some point the coach has to take something that isn't working and make changes to get it going.
I know the Wings in general weren't too great in that game, but he played almost 3 minutes on the powerplay and started on Datsyuk's line. Babcock gave him a chance to play some good minutes, play on the powerplay, etc... and he didn't do a lot with that opportunity. He did the same thing with Tatar, and Tatar actually looked better (IMO) with the 3rd line than he did on Datsyuk's line. Nyquist just wasn't very effective that one game and was easy to knock off the puck, from what I remember. He did generate one very good scoring chance, but he was invisible the rest of the game.
I get wanting to see the young guys and playing them is only going to give them the experience to improve, but at some point the coach has to take something that isn't working and make changes to get it going. Nyquist wasn't really working too well, as disappointing as it sounds to type it out, despite playing well and even getting into a playoff game last year. Hopefully he took the demotion and the "benching" and seeing Tatar/Andersson getting the next calls over him as an opportunity to have a better showing the next chance he is given. We'll see how he responds. As a rookie player who can pass freely between the AHL and NHL, he is owed nothing. Kreider is learning that with the NYR now, too.
Which is exactly what drives most of us nuts. He'll quickly demote one of the kids after a couple of periods, whereas a guy like Cleary if given a free pass. You can't tell me Nyquist and Tatar after 2 periods looked worse than Cleary has at any point this season.
I know. Ideally he'd score a hattrick but it's an adjustment period. No matter how much you play in the AHL it can't compare with playing NHL games and learning the hard way. Imo, there's no such thing as not working out if you play a call-up one game here and there. There has to be at least a stretch of games like the one Tatar is seeing right now. And by all accounts, Tatar has looked more comfortable each game. You allow them to struggle, then you reap the rewards.
You can let them struggle in a lesser role than playing them 20 minutes a game in the top 6 and 4 minutes a game on the PP, though.
Datsyuk's first line in the NHL was Dandenault - Datsyuk - Devereaux, and he proved he deserved to play more and with guys like Brett Hull.
We all know how this is going to go.
He'll play decent the first half of the game and then everyone will wonder what happened when Cleary takes his spot. Then he'll get sent back down.
Honestly they're taking a big risk when they keep messing with the kids' heads. I'm sure its not beneficial to their confidence.
We all know how this is going to go.
He'll play decent the first half of the game and then everyone will wonder what happened when Cleary takes his spot. Then he'll get sent back down.
Honestly they're taking a big risk when they keep messing with the kids' heads. I'm sure its not beneficial to their confidence.
Watch, Cleary will be moved up to a scoring line and Nyquist will play on the 4th.
Nyquist hasn't played as well since being split off from Tatar (which happened before the callup). It makes sense since they're both high hockey sense players, good skaters, and Tatar is a natural shooter to Nyquist's natural playmaker. Since then, Nyquist has been stuck with guys who are either not great skaters, not natural shooters, or just plain cannot keep up with him in terms of hockey sense. I think Nyquist is the kind of guy who will be better in the NHL than in the AHL.To your second point, Nyquist has not played as well since being sent down the last time in my opinion.
Nyquist hasn't played as well since being split off from Tatar (which happened before the callup). It makes sense since they're both high hockey sense players, good skaters, and Tatar is a natural shooter to Nyquist's natural playmaker. Since then, Nyquist has been stuck with guys who are either not great skaters, not natural shooters, or just plain cannot keep up with him in terms of hockey sense. I think Nyquist is the kind of guy who will be better in the NHL than in the AHL.
I think without Tatar, Nyquist becomes the lone finesse skill guy on a team not particularly bent on playing a finesse skill game. The other, more obvious, reason is that teams know they can double team Nyquist now. With Nyquist shut down, GR doesn't really have anybody to blow the game open.