mikebel111*
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5 just 5???
I think he is -15 since the west coast wins,no?
Sorry tried to not be too harsh on dion
He deserves more criticism than he is getting IMO
5 just 5???
I think he is -15 since the west coast wins,no?
the clarkson contract is a fireable offense.
Buying out Komisarek who had one year left vs buying out Liles who had 3 made no sense.
Buying out Grabo to pay Clarkson even more made no sense (yes im bring up clarkson twice).
Hes traded all our second round picks for years to come (and soon to be decades).
Refuses to fire all of burkes scouts who are all idiots.
Agrees with Burkes strategy of draft 4th line grinders.
IMO he ****ed up the Kadri and Franson situations.
He ****ed up the Colbourne situation, literally traded for Colbourne jr using a 2nd after giving up colbourne for a 4th.
The holland situation makes no sense. Why play holland 25 games on the 4th line playing 4 mins a night? seriously wtf? that cost us a 2nd.
nonis has only been around for a year and ****ed everything up. He was given a great cap situation (2 buyouts included) and ****ed it up. We were in a great pick situation and he ****ed it up. We are locked into this core for better or worse.
It is not just Nonis.
Anyone below Tim Leiweke that is Leafs management related should be canned.
I think you somewhat answered your own question with "Bolland and Clarkson." Clarkson was an INSANELY bad signing, the guy has very obvious 3rd line talent, why would you give him a 1st line contract? It really makes you question his ability to evaluate talent AND his ability to negotiate, which are two very important points for a GM. The Clarkson trade wasn't too bad, but giving up a 2nd and two 4ths for essentially a 1 year rental, then not making the playoffs, does kind of suck.
Further on his negotiation talents, 8 years/$8 mil per year for Kessel and 7 years/$7 mil per year for Phaneuf aren't awful, but they're both very favourable for the players, not the Leafs. A lot of GMs manage to negotiate favourable contract, Nonis paid these guys pretty much the most they could possibly get.
The main thing, though, is that the team he put together has choked spectacularly two years in a row. The game 7 choke last year was insane, and the current 8 game pointless streak is pretty much just as insane.
I'm not sure that I fully agree we should fire him, he has made some good moves too (the Bernier trade, getting Raymond dirt cheap, Liles for Gleason, getting rid of Lombardi/Armstrong/Connolly/Komi), I'd probably give him one more year to prove he can turn us into a legit playoff team. However, I can definitely see why some fans want his head.
Yeah, neither the Kessel or Phaneuf contracts are true bad contracts, but they're not really good contracts either. Some GMs manage to re-sign their players at discount prices, Nonis didn't do that. If Kessel and Phaenuf had gone to the UFA market, and went to the highest bidder, they'd have got roughly the same contracts.I think the best way to judge a contract is:
Is it tradeable?
Kessel's contract? Every team in the league would be after him so his salary is no problem.
Phaneuf? His contract is tradeable but not without eating some $$.
Clarkson? Nobody will take him, and like 10 teams would bother @ 50% retained.
Yeah, neither the Kessel or Phaneuf contracts are true bad contracts, but they're not really good contracts either. Some GMs manage to re-sign their players at discount prices, Nonis didn't do that. If Kessel and Phaenuf had gone to the UFA market, and went to the highest bidder, they'd have got roughly the same contracts.
A really strong negotiator might have got Kessel to re-sign at $7 mil per year, Phaenuf at $6.5 mil per year, and a good talent evaluator likely wouldn't have gone after Clarkson at all. I think these deals kind of "creep," now all of our UFAs will be thinking "Kessel got 8 years/$8 mil, Phaenuf got 7 years/$7 mil, and even Clarkson got 7 years/$5.25 mil! I'm not accepting any low ball offers, I wanna get PAAIIIIDDD like these guys!"
He sure looked like he was thinking about firing Carlyle tonight from his reaction after the loss.
Not sure if there is a thread purely on Nonis, but why do people want him fired too? I actually think he's a great GM. He makes the hard moves (sending highly paid players down), does pretty well in trades (don't remember any recent trades we've got completely ripped off in), and he actually goes out and makes moves instead of saying he'll bring change and just stand pat (Bolland and Clarkson). Of course those didn't turn out well, but Nonis is a fine GM imo. Thoughts?
I want a fresh start.
Nobody that makes any hockey decisions should stay. That means we clean house, from Dave Morrison, Nonis, Poulin, Cronin, Carlyle, Farrish, Gordon etc etc.
All fired.
Quinn
JFJ
Burke
Nonis
Guys there's no difference in Philosophy. Nothing has changed. Does it really matter who the next guy in will be?
This team will be lucky to make the playoffs once in the next decade.
Head's can roll, personnel can change its the same old story.
1) Liles had more value I guess?
2) Clarkson was a bad deal, but it was a weak FA class and others would have paid more. Sucks in hindsight, but at least he tried to improve the team.
3) He got us useful pieces with the 2nd's, you don't just get valuable pieces for 7ths.
4) Colbourne was going to be sent down and wouldn't have made it through waivers. What was he suppose to do? He had no leverage.
5) I'll agree there, though if you do make a ****** move like sending him down after 20 games, it hurts your reputation which could possibly hinder future deals.
Such a bad, bad argument. If you see a bunch of morons offering up $200 for a lightly used dog turd, you don't celebrate when you get it for $150. Because you just spent $150 on a ****ing dog turd.