Player Discussion Nino "El Nino" Niederreiter II

[DANOZ28]

i hated losing clutterbuck but trading for nino will probably always be one of fletch's best moves.

 

[Minnesota]

Didn't see this posted. Yet another interesting article from TSN's Travis Yost: http://www.tsn.ca/the-incredible-career-trajectory-of-nino-niederreiter-1.843926

That's a great article, thanks for sharing.

Kind of interesting in the Corsi% chart that 5/11 of the guys listed are now with other teams.

 

[Al Lagoon]

Any Pominville resurgence after his fine first year here usually coincided with being put on a line with Nino.

 

[Victorious Secret]

I wouldn't say great article. Author made it seem like Nino's trouble in his rookie year was attributed to him and not being put on the 4th line for single digit minutes and horrible situations.

 

[tomgilbertfan]

Why the Wild invested so heavily in Nino Niederreiter

Here are a few more amazing stat lines. The only player that played a full season with Niederreiter and had a Corsi For greater than 50 percent without Niederreiter was Jason Pominville, who was traded to the Buffalo Sabres in June.

No player that played at least 100 minutes with Niederreiter had a Corsi For of less than 50 percent. No player that played at least 100 minutes with Niederreiter had less than 54 percent Goals For. Possession impact doesn't get much better than that.

The rise of Niederreiter is pretty astounding. He did all this despite ranking sixth among Wild forward,s and 123rd among NHL forwards, in even-strength ice time (1,071 minutes, 16 seconds).

 

[gphr513]

Why the Wild invested so heavily in Nino Niederreiter

Just read that article and came to post it, very interesting read from Derek Peterson.

This passage also stuck out to me.

Most impressive, Niederreiter ranked sixth among forwards in ice time at 5-on-5 (1,047 minutes, 49 seconds) last season for the Wild.

To better compare his scoring production, his point production can be converted to a rate per 60 minutes of ice time. This equalizes everyone's scoring and making it easier to compare across players with different levels of playing time. As you can see, only five players in the NHL contributed at a higher rate. Of these top 10 players, only Niederreiter and Connor McDavid had a relatively normal shooting percentage (a measure that can generally predict whether a trend is likely to continue or not). Niederreiter was at 10.88 percent, McDavid at 10.99 percent.

So he did this with a sustainable shooting percentage. I wonder if he'll start getting more PP time? He was 9th on the team on PP TOI last season. What do we think his actual ceiling is? Getting him a bit more ice time and him hitting 30 goals would be excellent.

 

[BagHead]

I think his production would climb a bit, but I don't think it's as simple as saying that he will stay the same player, with the same impact, in more time on ice (fatigue) and with different tiers of opponents matching up against him. It is a great article though, and I think Derek did a great job explaining how some of the advanced stats work for those who are novices to it. Nino's the kind of player that you give a bigger opportunity to until his impact starts to decline, because he's clearly capable of being one of the best players in the league at his current role. See how far he can climb! Give him some rope.

 

[Lapa]

Why the Wild invested so heavily in Nino Niederreiter

I finally know what Corsi For and Corsi Rel means. Thank you Derek Peterson

Great read for sure.

 

[TaLoN]

I think his production would climb a bit, but I don't think it's as simple as saying that he will stay the same player, with the same impact, in more time on ice (fatigue) and with different tiers of opponents matching up against him. It is a great article though, and I think Derek did a great job explaining how some of the advanced stats work for those who are novices to it. Nino's the kind of player that you give a bigger opportunity to until his impact starts to decline, because he's clearly capable of being one of the best players in the league at his current role. See how far he can climb! Give him some rope.

That was my only problem with his article. He just assumed equal increase in production with more ice time, like it's automatic because of the numbers.

 

[amikaro]

Nino's hot! Goal streak continued with two goals last night. Glad to see him back in that shape.

 

[nickschultzfan]

I dont think it is a stretch to say that the Wild now are going to live or die on the backs of Nino, Granlund, Coyle, and Zucker. If those 4 can take the next step and become stars, the Wild might be something. If not, this team isnt going anywhere.

 

[Nsjohnson]

Not only is it not a stretch to say, it's just the truth plain and simple.

Those four guys, as forwards, and that's excluding any defense we have their age, HAVE to carry the Wild.

We need someone to throw us a bone too. Like Kaprizov suddenly coming over and lighting it up. Or JEE or Kunin jumping up into the lineup and playing big, well this would seriously bolster the team.

This team needs something to seriously OCCUR. It needs someone to make a big SPLASH. Example: TBL. Yeah ok they have always had Stammer. OK.

But LOOK at some of those guys they have and you cannot tell me that they have seriously had a few good splashes happen Kuch, Namesty, they traded for Serg, and they happened to pick Hedman 2nd OA.

We traded for Nino and have a solid young core, but we need someone like a Kucherov to arise amidst players who are working their a**es off to just float enough to make it to the first round of the playoffs.

Our vets are playing decent- actually Koivu is better than I thought he'd be still, and we are lucky to have a gracefully aging Staal. But they are on their way out.

 

[57special]

I think we are forgetting how much of a hit it is that Parise is contributing nothing, while eating up 7.5M of cap every year.

 

[Ban Hammered]

I think we are forgetting how much of a hit it is that Parise is contributing nothing, while eating up 7.5M of cap every year.

And while it sucks...injuries happen and there isn't anyway to forsee it.

 

[Firestorm]

If I could ask a fantasy hockey question, should I drop Niederreiter over players like Jordan Eberle and Kyle Connor?

 

[Nharris31]

I dont think it is a stretch to say that the Wild now are going to live or die on the backs of Nino, Granlund, Coyle, and Zucker. If those 4 can take the next step and become stars, the Wild might be something. If not, this team isnt going anywhere.

Well they have and there not really getting any help at all.

 

[swissexpert]

He's such a possession monster. Was already last year but this season even more.
62.5 CF% is crazy, relatively seen it's 2nd in the league.
He leads the Wild in all on-ice categories, for example 22 goals/11 goals against. He also has drawn a team leading 8 penalties.

I really think he has taken the mentioned 'next-step' already and is on his way to one of many 30+30 seasons

 

[Minnesota]

I've been listening to away market feeds recently and I keep hearing announcers talk about Nino as being "streaky." Anybody else echo that sentiment? I guess I can see it from a scoring standpoint, but he does so many other things well.

 

[Nharris31]

I've been listening to away market feeds recently and I keep hearing announcers talk about Nino as being "streaky." Anybody else echo that sentiment? I guess I can see it from a scoring standpoint, but he does so many other things well.

No not at all.

 

[Bazeek]

I've been listening to away market feeds recently and I keep hearing announcers talk about Nino as being "streaky." Anybody else echo that sentiment? I guess I can see it from a scoring standpoint, but he does so many other things well.

Overall I'd say he and Staal are the most consistent forwards on the team at this point.

 

[Wabit]

I've been listening to away market feeds recently and I keep hearing announcers talk about Nino as being "streaky." Anybody else echo that sentiment? I guess I can see it from a scoring standpoint, but he does so many other things well.

Most players are like that. He did have a ~15 game stretch near the end of the season where he only put up 3a and no goals. He's adding a lot more assists to his 20g+ as he matures.

Goals tend to come in bunches or not at all. Look at Parise in 15-16: 25g, but he had 3 hat tricks that year.

 

[Wild11MN]

I've been listening to away market feeds recently and I keep hearing announcers talk about Nino as being "streaky." Anybody else echo that sentiment? I guess I can see it from a scoring standpoint, but he does so many other things well.

Actually, yes, 100% in previous years. He'd have dominant stretches and then just disappear for like 15 games. This year, and most of last year, he has indeed been one of the most consistent forwards on the team.

 

[57special]

I keep hearing he is a great defensive player, but I don't see it. Don't get me wrong, I love having his scoring touch, size, and feistiness on the team, but he can be a bit careless with the puck leaving the zone. Nothing terrible, but it's there. Also, for a guy who is supposedly a great all round player he sure doesn't get comeasurate TOI. Maybe the coaches have the same reservations i do about some of his play?

 

[Bazeek]

I keep hearing he is a great defensive player, but I don't see it. Don't get me wrong, I love having his scoring touch, size, and feistiness on the team, but he can be a bit careless with the puck leaving the zone. Nothing terrible, but it's there. Also, for a guy who is supposedly a great all round player he sure doesn't get comeasurate TOI. Maybe the coaches have the same reservations i do about some of his play?

I guess I haven't noticed him being appreciably worse in his own end than most of the other forwards, but I haven't been looking for it either. And I don't think I'd call him a great defensive player; he's an okay defensive player and a great possession player. His biggest contribution to defense is keeping the puck in the offensive zone.

 

[Wild11MN]

I keep hearing he is a great defensive player, but I don't see it. Don't get me wrong, I love having his scoring touch, size, and feistiness on the team, but he can be a bit careless with the puck leaving the zone. Nothing terrible, but it's there. Also, for a guy who is supposedly a great all round player he sure doesn't get comeasurate TOI. Maybe the coaches have the same reservations i do about some of his play?

He's had some egregious turnovers in the d-zone this year leading directly to goals. It's a little odd as I've never noticed those awful turnovers consistently in previous years, but he had a stretch earlier in the year where he was turning them over left and right. I haven't noticed any lately, though.