Recalled/Assigned: Nieves assigned to Hartford
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FireGerardGallant
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But he was supposed to be the #1 center
Ghost of jas
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Zats Muccarello
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Will not miss hearing his name during each pregame injury report.
In all seriousness, sincerely hope his head and health are in good order - but he will not be a New York Ranger.
In all seriousness, sincerely hope his head and health are in good order - but he will not be a New York Ranger.
Boo will heal up and return.
Hayes will be moved [likely to be resigned next year].
No reason to not bring him back once healthy
and no reason to not experiment w/Kreider.
Zero to lose by trying.
Hayes will be moved [likely to be resigned next year].
No reason to not bring him back once healthy
and no reason to not experiment w/Kreider.
Zero to lose by trying.
How do we know Nieves "will return"? He was no given to make the team. And Hayes is likely to be re-signed? Based on what, exactly?
Even if you move Hayes you can still play Zibanejad, Andersson, Chytil and Howden as centers.
I don't see much room for Boo and he can never stay healthy. Fogarty is having a great year and may get a look before Boo.
Nieves' time in the organization is likely through after this year. He'll probably want to move on and get a fresh start somewhere else. Maybe even in Europe, where his game would be well-suited.
Edge
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If he wasn't injured, and Fogarty wasn't performing well, I'd say there'd be a greater chance of him getting a longer look this season.
Not saying it can't or won't happen, just more obstacles in the way.
Not saying it can't or won't happen, just more obstacles in the way.
Right. I've been his biggest cheerleader for years, but even I recognized it was make or break this year (with us, anyway). The injury really hurt his chances, and then as you said, Fogarty and even Howden are just additional impediments.
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The only reason he was still on the team was his injury. He never "made the team" so to speak.
FoxysExpensiveNYDigs
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I hope he can stay healthy. Doubt hes in the organization much longer but always liked the kid. Could still carve out a career as an AHL/NHL tweener.
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This year he was never called up. He couldn't be sent down due to his injury
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hey hanrahan!
Feels like it. He doesn't play much, when he doesn't he gets limited TOI, and in that limited time he doesn't do much.
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Another cautionary tale to not get overly excited with junior stats until a prospect gets a chance to perform as a pro. This summer I've seen a few posts where Ronning was "placed" with the Rangers.
I never really watched Nieves but I remember he's supposed to be fast. If he can stay on the puck and hound the opposition he could be a great 4th line winger or C. Guys like Tim Kennedy come to mind. Just fast nuisances who are great to have on the team instead of plugs like McCleod. I haven't given up on Boo becoming that just yet. But I also haven't watched him. maybe if I did I'd see a guy with top end speed but meh acceleration and meh positioning who doesn't use his stick well and doesn't contribute much.
Lest we forget
"I have been taking some ribbing for this for some time, and I have decided to address this in its own thread, once and for all.
Understand, sure there may be something going on that we do not know about. Until that emerges and is visible, we have to set that aside.
Which means we go with what we see. Which is thus...
"Boo" Nieves is a 2nd rounder C prospect for NYR. He seems to have gotten short shrift from mgmt, although that was mostly under the win now crowd the year before and the continued stupidity of AV last year. He has important strategic value.
In a vacuum, he is NOT a 1C. That, however, is irrelevant.
What is overriding and key is that he COULD be a stopgap placeholder at 1C until a better option comes along, and meanwhile he looks like his theoretical holding down the fort or growing into the position will reap considerable rewards.
First, qualifications. He is big, strong, an actual C, not a makeshift pivot, and he is good on faceoffs. That much is obvious, along with the fact he skates like the wind. Not elite Kreider speed, but ample get up and go. He has basic/basic + playmaking skills; that much is evident from a very small sample of when he got a cup of coffee w/NYR last year. He did little on 4th line, then got involved with Buch + I think Zuc, and that was enough to get some results. Now this is an extremely small sample I admit, but it suggests that he plays up or down to the level of his teammates -- he would not be the first player to demonstrate this. As to why did not lite it up in the A, most Wolfpack Fs suck, and none are a strategic match.
X factor. Now we get to the bottom line: Kreider - Nieves likely synergy.
Kreider IS our 1LW. That is set in stone.The linemates he gets, those are de facto our first line. IMO we were not great shakes at first line w/Stepan, who could not keep up w/speedier linemates. When finally, last year, we got Zib on first line with CK we had real chemistry, b'c they could dominate. Zib is fast enough, but is more of a bull. However, while a legit C, he effectively was a bookend W, doing a lot of work in the corners. If we got a complementary guy who was tough enough, fast enough, able to help with basic setup, etc, and let those 2 drive the play, that would be ideal. Nieves is that guy. If he grows into more, terrif. But even if all he is doing is providing synergy and helping Kreider exploit his potential to dominate, that's enough.
Now I'm posting this thread in this forum so, having provided rationale behind it, big picture scenarios for the Rangers going forward can be addressed.
Immediately, Kreider - Nieves - Zib would be our 1st line.
However, I expect a deal of Zib + to StL for Parayko +.
I also see Andersson + available to pivot starved MON for a 2019 1st+.
Now those deals may/may not go thru, but the point is those 2 are available in a seller's market for Cs if the return is good enough, and using Boo in lockstep with Kreider to create synergy helps make that happen.
If/when those or similar deals happen, our projection is
1st line = Kreider - Nieves - stopgap showcase replaced by Kravtsov
Would be worth experience of this year just to get Kreider and Nieves comfortable and ready for Krav.
Now I like Hayes, he has size and adequate speed, has improved loads of FOs and is a great def matchup C. I get he might be able to tutor Boo on one or two def tricks. He is our 2C.
Chytil is our 3C.
Stop gap like Lettieri is 4C, then maybe he switches to RW once Howden is ready, IMO second half this season, 2019.
Nieves
Hayes
Chytil
Lettieri
gives way to
Nieves
Hayes w/Chytil promoted to 2nd line wing [Kravtsov will seize 1RW next season]
Howden
Lettieri
If we get Panarin as a UFA to do W w/Hayes + Chytil, that would be sick.
Lots of work to do, but the big picture is visible.
As for the naysayers who insist on killing this, I say again, there could be something we don't know about.
But have to give guys max opportunity to succeed and not kill their spirit.
We had a goalie, Skapski, he won it in training camp competition, but did not get the job. Saved us when Hank went down for a month. We got Raanta. Now no one is complaining about getting Raanta, including me. But we could have showcased this guy better and moved him too. Instead, we crushed his spirit, then he got injured, he gave up, he sucked, and we cut him. Total waste and lost of opportunity to get something out of the asset.
My hope is Nieves is smarter. Realize for whatever reason AV, who def should NOT have been extended was, and he was not getting a shot, as AV famously prefers vets. Now we should either have played this guy or saved his elc. We saved his elc. Fine. But now we have to give him every opportunity to show he can cut the mustard. If he can't that's fine, that's on him.
But it needs be acknowledged that Ranger braintrust hopefully get that their best option, at least until something better drops in their lap, is to play this kid next to Kreider and see what that dynamic yields.
It is not honest to infer that Nieves does not have the potential so he isn't even worth the try when the obvious physical measurables confirm otherwise.
So for all of the above, expect Nieves sort of already earmarked in the lineup, and for Zib and Andersson to get moved --- if the price is right."
"I have been taking some ribbing for this for some time, and I have decided to address this in its own thread, once and for all.
Understand, sure there may be something going on that we do not know about. Until that emerges and is visible, we have to set that aside.
Which means we go with what we see. Which is thus...
"Boo" Nieves is a 2nd rounder C prospect for NYR. He seems to have gotten short shrift from mgmt, although that was mostly under the win now crowd the year before and the continued stupidity of AV last year. He has important strategic value.
In a vacuum, he is NOT a 1C. That, however, is irrelevant.
What is overriding and key is that he COULD be a stopgap placeholder at 1C until a better option comes along, and meanwhile he looks like his theoretical holding down the fort or growing into the position will reap considerable rewards.
First, qualifications. He is big, strong, an actual C, not a makeshift pivot, and he is good on faceoffs. That much is obvious, along with the fact he skates like the wind. Not elite Kreider speed, but ample get up and go. He has basic/basic + playmaking skills; that much is evident from a very small sample of when he got a cup of coffee w/NYR last year. He did little on 4th line, then got involved with Buch + I think Zuc, and that was enough to get some results. Now this is an extremely small sample I admit, but it suggests that he plays up or down to the level of his teammates -- he would not be the first player to demonstrate this. As to why did not lite it up in the A, most Wolfpack Fs suck, and none are a strategic match.
X factor. Now we get to the bottom line: Kreider - Nieves likely synergy.
Kreider IS our 1LW. That is set in stone.The linemates he gets, those are de facto our first line. IMO we were not great shakes at first line w/Stepan, who could not keep up w/speedier linemates. When finally, last year, we got Zib on first line with CK we had real chemistry, b'c they could dominate. Zib is fast enough, but is more of a bull. However, while a legit C, he effectively was a bookend W, doing a lot of work in the corners. If we got a complementary guy who was tough enough, fast enough, able to help with basic setup, etc, and let those 2 drive the play, that would be ideal. Nieves is that guy. If he grows into more, terrif. But even if all he is doing is providing synergy and helping Kreider exploit his potential to dominate, that's enough.
Now I'm posting this thread in this forum so, having provided rationale behind it, big picture scenarios for the Rangers going forward can be addressed.
Immediately, Kreider - Nieves - Zib would be our 1st line.
However, I expect a deal of Zib + to StL for Parayko +.
I also see Andersson + available to pivot starved MON for a 2019 1st+.
Now those deals may/may not go thru, but the point is those 2 are available in a seller's market for Cs if the return is good enough, and using Boo in lockstep with Kreider to create synergy helps make that happen.
If/when those or similar deals happen, our projection is
1st line = Kreider - Nieves - stopgap showcase replaced by Kravtsov
Would be worth experience of this year just to get Kreider and Nieves comfortable and ready for Krav.
Now I like Hayes, he has size and adequate speed, has improved loads of FOs and is a great def matchup C. I get he might be able to tutor Boo on one or two def tricks. He is our 2C.
Chytil is our 3C.
Stop gap like Lettieri is 4C, then maybe he switches to RW once Howden is ready, IMO second half this season, 2019.
Nieves
Hayes
Chytil
Lettieri
gives way to
Nieves
Hayes w/Chytil promoted to 2nd line wing [Kravtsov will seize 1RW next season]
Howden
Lettieri
If we get Panarin as a UFA to do W w/Hayes + Chytil, that would be sick.
Lots of work to do, but the big picture is visible.
As for the naysayers who insist on killing this, I say again, there could be something we don't know about.
But have to give guys max opportunity to succeed and not kill their spirit.
We had a goalie, Skapski, he won it in training camp competition, but did not get the job. Saved us when Hank went down for a month. We got Raanta. Now no one is complaining about getting Raanta, including me. But we could have showcased this guy better and moved him too. Instead, we crushed his spirit, then he got injured, he gave up, he sucked, and we cut him. Total waste and lost of opportunity to get something out of the asset.
My hope is Nieves is smarter. Realize for whatever reason AV, who def should NOT have been extended was, and he was not getting a shot, as AV famously prefers vets. Now we should either have played this guy or saved his elc. We saved his elc. Fine. But now we have to give him every opportunity to show he can cut the mustard. If he can't that's fine, that's on him.
But it needs be acknowledged that Ranger braintrust hopefully get that their best option, at least until something better drops in their lap, is to play this kid next to Kreider and see what that dynamic yields.
It is not honest to infer that Nieves does not have the potential so he isn't even worth the try when the obvious physical measurables confirm otherwise.
So for all of the above, expect Nieves sort of already earmarked in the lineup, and for Zib and Andersson to get moved --- if the price is right."
FoxysExpensiveNYDigs
Boo Nieves Truther
We need a hall of fame/shame thread where beauties like that can be archived for future generations.
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