mr gib
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the pres was on the radio with his plan - spoke to a wack of people that live there - it could really work - the income streams all line up - ( revenue sharing )Resolute said:50 suites is not a lot.
gotta go GAME ON !
the pres was on the radio with his plan - spoke to a wack of people that live there - it could really work - the income streams all line up - ( revenue sharing )Resolute said:50 suites is not a lot.
Resolute said:50 suites is not a lot.
RedSoxNation said:50 is more then enough if you can sell the 50. What good are the suites in Raleigh if they can't sell those suites. BTW there are I think 78 suites in Raleigh, and I'll bet most are never sold for hockey games
portland can't even think of a team till they fix the basketball sideRedSoxNation said:If Portland isnt big enough, why on earth would you move to a market that has a metro area that is barely 40% as large as Portland, has the Canadian currency problem and has an arena that can only fit 4000 fewer people?
- first the currency issue is no longer much of an issue. Secondly if an NHL team was in Winnipeg it would be the only game in town. No NBA, no NCAA football, nothing else to fight for the sports dollar
You have not offered a single reason why Kansas City and Houston are poor choices. "They have too many teams" means nothing given a majority of the NHL's existing teams have at least as many franhises as these two markets.
- well forgive me for suggesting a market (K.C.) where hockey failed once can now make a go of it. Before you suggest hockey is failed in Winnipeg, I'm not that well versed into what happened but if I recall the team moved because of a bad arena not poor fan support. And Houston as a hockey town, are you kidding
Las Vegas: Also, no valid reason offered. "Stupid choice" is a meaningless statement. What the mayor thinks is irrelevent. If they have or will build an arena, and someone wants a team there, the mayor will welcome it with open arms.
- well sorry if you believe Vegas is a good choice. It is a totally stupid choice. Doesn't matter anyway since the city doesn't want a hockey team but if you believe Vegas is a hockey town all power to you
The only one you have a concrete reason against is Seattle, because of arena problems. Seattle builds a new arena and that problem is resolved.
- well Seattle isn't going to build an arena so its a moot point
Emotionally, Winnipeg is the best choice. Buisness is not run on emotion though. It all comes down to dollars and cents, and from that perspective, Winnipeg is well down the list.
- Being from and living in New England I could care less about any emotional choices. Again I read the column and yea I agree when compared to the other cities, Winnipeg is at or near the top of that list.
RedSoxNation said:- first the currency issue is no longer much of an issue. Secondly if an NHL team was in Winnipeg it would be the only game in town. No NBA, no NCAA football, nothing else to fight for the sports dollar
- well forgive me for suggesting a market (K.C.) where hockey failed once can now make a go of it. Before you suggest hockey is failed in Winnipeg, I'm not that well versed into what happened but if I recall the team moved because of a bad arena not poor fan support. And Houston as a hockey town, are you kidding
- well sorry if you believe Vegas is a good choice. It is a totally stupid choice. Doesn't matter anyway since the city doesn't want a hockey team but if you believe Vegas is a hockey town all power to you
- well Seattle isn't going to build an arena so its a moot point
- Being from and living in New England I could care less about any emotional choices. Again I read the column and yea I agree when compared to the other cities, Winnipeg is at or near the top of that list.
mr gib said:portland can't even think of a team till they fix the basketball side
The newest game in town? It’s the competition between Global Spectrum, the new operator of the Rose Garden, and the Portland Trail Blazers.
Global Spectrum began managing the arena Jan. 1 for Portland Arena Management, a Delaware-based limited liability company formed as a new entity by the 12 investment companies that are the bondholders of the Rose Garden. Oregon Arena Corp., owned by Trail Blazer owner Paul Allen, lost the building after it declared bankruptcy.
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Global Spectrum bills itself as “the fastest-growing firm in the public assembly management field.†Its parent company, Comcast-Spectacor, owns the Philadelphia 76ers. Global Spectrum manages such facilities as Philadelphia’s Wachovia Center, where the 76ers play, the 28,000-seat FargoDome in North Dakota and several minor-league ballparks, along with the Arizona Cardinals’ new stadium in Phoenix.
Scanlon said the company will attempt to increase the number of dates in which the Rose Garden is used.
“To put 150 event days in, aside from Blazer and Winter Hawk games, is an achievable number,†he said. “Having 40-some-odd buildings throughout the country gives us the connections we need to get more things put together.â€
up here there was a discussion about where the nhl might go - arthur griffiths and an oln producer went into some detail as to what was wrong with the portland bball operation and the why's of how that needed to be fixed before entertaining any hockey franchise - i will try and research this topic and post again - thankskdb209 said:What do the Blazers have to do with it. They are now just a sh*tty NBA team playing in a nice Arena with a really sh*tty lease.
Paul Allen != Portland.
Paul Allen is not interested in Hockey, but Paul Allen no longer has any control over the Rose Garden - he gave up all interest and control though bankrupcy court. The new owners and arena management company are actively looking to fill the Rose Garden with more booked dates.
And the new Management Company just happens to have interesting NHL connections - It is owned by Comcast (you know that company that owns the Flyers and OLN) and operates the arena where the Flyers and 76ers play.
http://www.portlandtribune.com/archview.cgi?id=28173
mr gib said:up here there was a discussion about where the nhl might go - arthur griffiths and an oln producer went into some detail as to what was wrong with the portland bball operation and the why's of how that needed to be fixed before entertaining any hockey franchise - i will try and research this topic and post again - thanks
A Lone Wolf said:I dont see the NHL ever going back to Seattle. They've already had one horrible experience in Seattle (awarded them a franchise, and the last second it was pulled cause of the city never came thru on the Arena, and the franchise was put into Denver....).
" -The Blazers now just get ticket revenue for their games and thats it - no parking, no concessions, no luxury suites, etc. - "kdb209 said:The Trailblazers operation should have zero to do with a new NHL team. The Blazers problems now (along with the on court bad play and off court criminal records) is that they no longer have any control or get any of the revenue streams from their arena. Paul Allen (and the Blazers) gave up that revenue when he gave up control of the Rose Garden to get out from under the significant bond debt he was paying. The Blazers now just get ticket revenue for their games and thats it - no parking, no concessions, no luxury suites, etc.
Any new NHL team in Portland would not be owned by Paul Allen and would not be affected by the Blazers. They would negotiate their own arena deal with Global Spectrum and would certainly be in a much better financial position than the Blazers.
mr gib said:" -The Blazers now just get ticket revenue for their games and thats it - no parking, no concessions, no luxury suites, etc. - "
there it is right there - thanks
Lousy lease
No one needs to convince Patterson, who became Blazers president in June 2003, that the Blazers’ lease with Oregon Arena is unusual.
“The Blazers have, by far and away, the worst lease in all of professional sports,†he said, citing the revenue that the lease diverted away from the Allen-owned Trail Blazers to the formerly Allen-owned Oregon Arena. “It’s the least favorable lease to a professional sports team in all of professional sports.â€
Kinbote said:Huh? When was Seattle ever awarded an NHL franchise? The Rockies were the KC Scouts before moving to Denver.
bure94 said:We need more northern teams where the population already knows hockey.
Population shouldn't be what should be looked at primarily.
Plus Charlotte couldn't even keep its NBA team so ...
Verbeek said:I'd love to see carolina move up there... but something tells me it isn't happening.
SSJTOM said:I imagine they could renovate and add seats to the building.
though it makes you wonder why they didn't just put in 18-20,000 seats in the new arena when they said while building it, that is was in the hopes that one day they'd get an NHL team to play there.
That'll get you some conventions.RedSoxNation said:its fine if you want to crap all over Winnipeg,